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Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

"Occupation of that territory" lmao

weg posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esGr0kfpWWE

Adam Something just posted a good summary of the counter offensive so far. My biggest criticism is that the sponsor of the video is a bit jarring considering the content lol.

This was great, thanks

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Bertha the Toaster
Jan 11, 2009
Videos from the optics factory explosion. That's some powerful glass.
https://i.imgur.com/ZAf28EV.mp4
https://i.imgur.com/YHhFT7r.mp4

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/suspected-spy-russia-arrested-germany-prosecutors-2023-08-09/

quote:

BERLIN, Aug 9 (Reuters) - German prosecutors have arrested an officer of the military procurement agency on suspicion of passing secret information to Russian intelligence, the federal prosecutor's office said.

The German national, whom the prosecutor's office identified only as Thomas H., repeatedly approached Russia's consulate in Bonn and embassy in Berlin from May on his own initiative and offered his cooperation, the office said.

"The Federal Prosecutor has arrested a German officer on suspicion of working for a foreign secret service," wrote Justice Minister Marco Buschmann on social media platform X. "Vigilance is the order of the day."

Germany, one of the largest providers of military hardware to Ukraine, is a major target of Russian spying operations, which have grown in scale since Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, authorities have warned.

On one occasion, the man handed over information obtained during the course of his work with the intention that it be passed to a Russian intelligence service, the federal prosecutor's office said.

He was arrested in Koblenz, the procurement agency's seat in western Germany, and his home and workplace were searched, it added. A judge remanded him in custody on Wednesday.

The prosecutor's office gave no further details. Germany's Defence Ministry declined to comment on the case.

Almost 12,000 people work for the procurement agency, among them some 1,800 soldiers. In 2021, the agency struck deals for the purchase of Bundeswehr weapons and equipment with a total volume of 17.6 billion euros.

In December, authorities arrested a German Foreign Intelligence Service (BND) employee they suspected of spying for Russia.
Imagine spying for POCCNR literally for free, lmao. Enjoy your time in prison.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
money, ideology, coercion, ego

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

tiaz posted:

to be clear, I agree with this, though it's not like everything he says is completely false. If it's about something consequential to you, absolutely go look into it instead of taking the word of funny drunk pig man. Chieftain is much more serious but I still wouldn't trust him as a single source on something controversial.

Chieftain is the world's leading expert on how to fit a 6 foot 4 guy into a small armored vehicle though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwAh7PjKjOk

Fumble
Sep 4, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 9 days!

steinrokkan posted:

That T-14 video was pretty much wrong about everything, on every count.

I don't think anybody has posted the main debunking video yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyWAd1pQiwU

Not just a commander, a colonel and a professional armored warfare historian, lol
there was a rebuttal to that a few days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltPcPouSDBA

grumplestiltzkin
Jun 7, 2012

Ass, gas, or grass. No one rides for free.
The t14, much like Vladimir Putin, is a huge piece of poo poo.

mdxi
Mar 13, 2006

to JERK OFF is to be close to GOD... only with SPURTING

tiaz posted:

One of the claims made in the video is that the engine is derived from a Nazi design,

I'm all in favor of the denazification of Nazis. But from a historical perspective, "derived from Nazi designs" is a real dumb thing to try to make into a big deal. For instance, I have very bad news for everyone about the US space program and the early leadership of Marshall Space Flight Center.

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

Lazerpig is out of his depth talking about tanks. His T-34 video is loaded with inaccuracies that ultimately don't support his overall point that the T-34 was awful. I know Pig from a milboard where years ago he used to get into arguments with the guy who runs Tank Archives. Pig mentions in a few videos his disdain for Archives Guy, and I think the T-34 video was likely a response to him specifically and some types of online posters in general. I side more with Archives guy as he's far more source-savvy than Pig, who tends to see a number that he likes, then claims he's quoting sources so you have no argument against him.

I think Pig could make better content if he limited himself to maybe 10-20 minutes per video. His F-35 video where he rambled about media literacy or the John Boyd video where he babbled about Second Life were jarring to watch, and it's not counting the extended advertisements he writes into his videos. The longer his videos are, the more nonsense and misinformation he tends to throw in, and I think he could serve himself better by sticking to what he knows. He should also get away from his Discord. I went in there because I found some good and normal Squad/Hell Let Loose people, but his Discord is full of pathological liars who all claim to be veterans who are now engineers and all have contacts in Ukraine, and Pig claims to use people that he knows or talks to as sources.

EDIT: That said, RedEffect's video is a nothingburger of a response where he makes corrections to Pig that are irrelevant to what RedEffect is trying to say, in a way that boils down to "Well, if he's wrong about x, he must be wrong about y." The other guy's video was a bigger joke, where he sourced a questionable blog post and smugly told Pig to do research. It all sucks and is stupid. If you want tank books, go read Zaloga for facts, Yeide for great stories, or go watch The Chieftain videos.

Coquito Ergo Sum fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Aug 9, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1689388040307789824#m

quote:

"When civilians are surprised by Lancets and Krasnopols attacking enemy decoys, that’s normal. But when people who at least served conscript service are surprised by it (and even more so they ridicule it), then you should also be surprised.

The Soviet system of military service (which we have morally preserved) is very simple. The primary desire for a military man is to make something go boom, let's be honest. The more modern and powerful the available weapons are, the greater the internal need to boom them. The category "expensive" in military psychology is not applicable if it is not coming from your salary.

The second point are the reports. You can know for sure that you are hitting a decoy, and not the enemy’s vehicle, you can suspect this, but if the decoy as a whole is not bad and suits you for a report, then you hit it and report about success to the top.

Any Soviet officer (whom many people f*p on today) would have done just that. Because the army is simple. Because your report about the hit target (especially a “fat” one) is a joy for you, and for the authorities, and for the authorities of the authorities.

But if you give an “All Clear” and write a dull report that "the detected target turned out to be false and it seemed inappropriate to hit it because of the need to save precision-guided ammunition," then you will become an a*shole for both the authorities and fellow officers. And for all of them, you will be “not really military.”

How is this problem solved by the enemy? Their "Western specialists" got control over the targets. They did not try to break the established psychotype of the Soviet officer school (Ukrainian officers, especially the older ones, remained Soviet in their psychotype, there’s nowhere for anything else to come from), they simply took control, removing the motivation to create false reports. A kind of substitution of the military classics for a business approach.

But we're not only hitting wooden models. Now I’ll say a vile and unpopular thing, but let at least one active officer point that out if I’m lying: before, and after the appearance of Western military equipment - in general, a very popular way to give a good result upwards is to beautifully fire at the enemy’s already destroyed equipment.

Bradley, that was ATGMed yesterday, today can be beautifully fired at from helicopters, and tomorrow you can hit it from self-propelled guns. With video recording, reports, and all the right angles. So this becomes not one, but three wrecked Bradleys. Since the political leadership is demanding a specific report, the General Staff will demand such a report too.

And the military will solve it the way they know how - in a military way. I won't list specific examples, but everyone in the army knows perfectly well what I'm talking about. This is not exotic, this is already a mass practice.

Exotic is to make an order for a service of designing pictures a video of an objective control of a battle. You give an acquaintance a video and a photo of a wrecked MTLB, you give him a task, and he returns high-quality pictures to you, where instead of an MTLB there is a tank or self-propelled guns, next to which there are several wrecked infantry fighting vehicles.

But in the army itself, no one will ever try and fight this, and it is stupid to scold the General Staff or the minister. Some external solution is needed. Something similar to how the targets of the Ukrainians are controlled by Western instructors.

Because for the military, everything that I mentioned above is, as it were, not a crime, and not even a “Zalyot” [i.e. blunder]. “Zalyot” is when you were caught doing this, but caught in such a way that you could not get yourself out. Passing out the John Deere harvesters as Leopards was, of course, an oversight, but even then they got away. Although this should be punished three times, primarily those who were stupid enough to create this setup and get caught.

And the rest ... The political leadership has its own universe, from which it gives orders and instructions to the military leadership. The military leadership already has its own universe, very different. And it gives instructions down and reports up, based on its vision of the situation. At the bottom - there is generally a harsh reality, but its adjusted for military perception. The necessary reports are required from you in the universe of military leadership, and if reality does not correspond to it, these are problems of reality. You're an officer, you can do it."

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

I will not be watching a 43 minute rebuttal about tank engines

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

Toxic Mental posted:

I will not be watching a 43 minute rebuttal about tank engines

An engine that none of these people know anything about to boot.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

mdxi posted:

I'm all in favor of the denazification of Nazis. But from a historical perspective, "derived from Nazi designs" is a real dumb thing to try to make into a big deal. For instance, I have very bad news for everyone about the US space program and the early leadership of Marshall Space Flight Center.

yeah I think the point of his trying to tie it to that was more "lol they used this ancient rear end engine" than "they used an engine from the evil nazis!!". I mean, still not that well supported, but.


Toxic Mental posted:

I will not be watching a 43 minute rebuttal about tank engines

I envy the peace you must enjoy



interesting read. It makes sense that it's difficult to reward someone for not firing a munition, even when it's the right decision on the day, but the rest of what's described (multiple shots on already destroyed vehicles being counted, etc) paints a picture of a completely hosed incentive structure.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Kestral posted:

It's funny, if you go back and watch his Dominions games now, it's like he was meant to do this. He goes into his first two Dom5 multiplayer games, and wins utterly dominating victories over some extremely skilled players. Throughout the whole series he's using the same language and frameworks that are now being used in his videos on Ukraine, the defense industry, national defense strategy, diplomacy, etc., and he's just savagely owning these much more experienced players with it.

For folks interested in Perun as a person, they're fascinating videos. He's very careful to never mention who he works for or what he does, but he'll discuss at length his personal philosophies around diplomacy and conflict in ways that make it clear he's not only put a lot of thought into it, but that he's deeply morally invested in these ideas. If he'd put that content out post-Ukraine I'd dismiss it as "things youtubers say to make themselves sound thoughtful," but he was doing this for an audience of a couple hundred views at a time, essentially talking into a void.

Also he hauls the insane ghosts of ancient murdered gods back from the Underworld to fight for him, and names them after Rupert Murdoch and other Australian conservatives, so, proclick.

Perun's day job is vaguely understood to be in "Defence procurement". He does travel extensively for whatever that is meant to be and I think given the depth of his knowledge and interest, that would probably make sense that this is his job to know such things.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Love the explanation for why we saw the same three destroyed Leopards from 30 angles over two weeks lol

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

HonorableTB posted:

Love the explanation for why we saw the same three destroyed Leopards from 30 angles over two weeks lol

It's like that shot of Liam Neeson jumping the fence.

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Perun's day job is vaguely understood to be in "Defence procurement". He does travel extensively for whatever that is meant to be and I think given the depth of his knowledge and interest, that would probably make sense that this is his job to know such things.

Yep, that's what I was trying to get across in that post: it's not just a job for him, he's working in something he's personally invested in and passionate about, to the point where he'll stop in the middle of reviewing a turn in this mind-bogglingly complex strategy game, and essentially talk into the void about how the situation he's found himself in runs up against his deeply-held beliefs about how states and their agents should behave toward one another. Frankly I respect the hell out of him for that attitude.

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Ukraine is occupying Ukraine and it's unfair

It is not that unlikely. Just recently for example, Russia invaded Russia, and consequently took and held terrirory in Russia, and sent an armed convoy toward the capital of Russia, for the liberation of Russia. All agreed it was very fair, and all was resolved amicably.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Karate Bastard posted:

It is not that unlikely. Just recently for example, Russia invaded Russia, and consequently took and held terrirory in Russia, and sent an armed convoy toward the capital of Russia, for the liberation of Russia. All agreed it was very fair, and all was resolved amicably.

It ended positively for Russia if you think about it because they're more unified than ever

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Toxic Mental posted:

I will not be watching a 43 minute rebuttal about tank engines

This is the problem with you normies. You just won't do the research.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

the popes toes posted:

This is the problem with you normies. You just won't do the research.

I'll just trust that since they're on the objectively correct side of this issue that they're correct here too

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1689292695720656896#m
Not a whole lot left here. Must have been some powerful firecrackers. :dumbrim:

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

Please stop talking about YouTubers

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1689391019257663488
What's the point of fighting for monke if you won't even get paid for it? 🤡

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1689422928486555649#m
WHAT AIRDEFENSE DOING?????? ????????

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

It ended positively for Russia if you think about it because they're more unified than ever

Russia uniting the land and mobniks in a senseless fashion.

Also :lol: the new avatar.

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007
Lazerpig's Warthog videos aren't bad, mostly because it doesn't seem like he was blind-drunk and dying of alcoholism in them, for once.

EDIT: Crap, I went back and read AFTER I posted this. Uhh, for better content, that optics factory is likely to be a big hit to Russia, since their optics in general seem to be pretty bad, and having less is uh not more in this case.

Kchama fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Aug 10, 2023

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Karma Comedian posted:

Please stop talking about YouTubers

But I need to know what the Try Guys have done for Ukraine

Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:
LA Beast chowing down on a WW2 Soviet ration but it turns out MRE Steve already did

Vaginaface
Aug 26, 2013

HEY REI HEY REI,
do vaginaface!

Ukraine War: Liam Neeson jumping the fence

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

Nooner posted:

LA Beast chowing down on a WW2 Soviet ration but it turns out MRE Steve already did

The kasha he ate in the Ukrainian ration looks like a great breakfast.

Coquito Ergo Sum fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Aug 10, 2023

Gomez Chamberlain
Mar 22, 2005

Subakh ul kuhar!
Efb: RedEffect really sucks though

Gomez Chamberlain fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Aug 10, 2023

Mr Teatime
Apr 7, 2009

Kestral posted:

It's funny, if you go back and watch his Dominions games now, it's like he was meant to do this. He goes into his first two Dom5 multiplayer games, and wins utterly dominating victories over some extremely skilled players. Throughout the whole series he's using the same language and frameworks that are now being used in his videos on Ukraine, the defense industry, national defense strategy, diplomacy, etc., and he's just savagely owning these much more experienced players with it.

For folks interested in Perun as a person, they're fascinating videos. He's very careful to never mention who he works for or what he does, but he'll discuss at length his personal philosophies around diplomacy and conflict in ways that make it clear he's not only put a lot of thought into it, but that he's deeply morally invested in these ideas. If he'd put that content out post-Ukraine I'd dismiss it as "things youtubers say to make themselves sound thoughtful," but he was doing this for an audience of a couple hundred views at a time, essentially talking into a void.

Also he hauls the insane ghosts of ancient murdered gods back from the Underworld to fight for him, and names them after Rupert Murdoch and other Australian conservatives, so, proclick.

I’m hearing through back channels that Ukraine has spent many gems equipping Zelenskyy with a frost brand, vine shield and horror helm and he at this very moment is busy thugging his way through several Russian Oblasts.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Mr Teatime posted:

I’m hearing through back channels that Ukraine has spent many gems equipping Zelenskyy with a frost brand, vine shield and horror helm and he at this very moment is busy thugging his way through several Russian Oblasts.

Haha! Observe how NATO's homonazi lapdogs foolishly squander U.S. gem stockpiles equipping vanity thugs who will easily be killed by a single astrapelagist with a couple gems to cast Thunderstrike!

*3 turns later*

A third Zelenskky has been destroyed by the glorious defenders of the motherland in Belgorod Oblast. Unfortunately Belgorod Oblast has been lost temporarily because of a random event.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWar...web2x&context=3

Well.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1689465477326626816#m
Monke just keeps eating Ls in the last 24 hours huh

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice

zone posted:

Monke just keeps eating Ls in the last 18 months huh

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Just enormous. The quality of that photo is amazing.

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

Fumble posted:

there was a rebuttal to that a few days ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltPcPouSDBA

not watching the og video but why oh why am I spending 90min of my life watching these videos on a subject I dont care about

I am a broken person

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HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
There's dashcam footage of that optics factory explosion and it looks a LOT like that massive fertilizer warehouse explosion that happened in Beirut a year or so ago

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