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Mappo
Apr 27, 2009

StrixNebulosa posted:

I think if I could delete any US law I'd start by deleting FESTA/SOSTA. There are others, but like... I wish there was a safe, legal way for people to get together and make money selling pictures of their feet. Or whatever they want to sell.

Just a reminder that the Woodhull Foundation is currently fighting FESTA/SOSTA in court. They do a lot of work to advocate for sexual freedom and sex workers. https://www.woodhullfoundation.org/

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jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Anne Whateley posted:

In the US, prevention of transmission has been an on-label use for valcyclovir for 20+ years. “HSV serodiscordant” gets you studies. It would be something to discuss with her doctor, but if she wants to go forward, there would be no bureaucratic resistance at all.

Odds of having HSV1 are lower than generally presented, 50% or lower for the US goon demographic. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db304.htm

I'm baffled why anyone would take lifelong meds to reduce the chance of their partner catching a largely harmless virus 50% of the population has, but that's where stigma and for-profit healthcare gets you I guess.

Lord Zedd-Repulsa
Jul 21, 2007

Devour a good book.


Because largely harmless isn't completely harmless.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Neither are antivirals

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
love being one of the people with ”I AM HSV-1 POSITIVE” at the very tippety top of their Fetlife profile

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
I personally think informed consent is cool and good. I don’t want to stigmatize it, having herpes doesn’t say anything bad about someone, but it’s also fine and reasonable imo if you don’t want to roll the dice on oozing sores that could be lifelong. I have plenty of medical problems without adding that one.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Anne Whateley posted:

I personally think informed consent is cool and good. I don’t want to stigmatize it, having herpes doesn’t say anything bad about someone, but it’s also fine and reasonable imo if you don’t want to roll the dice on oozing sores that could be lifelong. I have plenty of medical problems without adding that one.

Even if you got the worst form of herpes known to man, which is still incredibly unlikely since most infections are asymptomatic, the treatment is exactly the same antivirals you'd be asking your partner to take. Only you'd only have to take them if you got an outbreak rather than every day of your life. So to me it makes more sense to roll the extremely-in-your-favour dice then YOU take the antivirals IF and when you need them rather than ask your partner to take them purely for your benefit. They're well-tolerated but not side-effect free (or financially free, in a lot of countries).

And I know you don't want to stigmatise HSV infection but phrases like "lifelong oozing sores" should probably be avoided. It's 50% (at least) of the population and a minority of those get occasional outbreaks of blisters. The infection itself is not even a "medical problem", any more than having had chicken-pox in the past is a medical problem because now you might get shingles.

Anyway, that's my medical rant. HSV concerns people way more than it should, getting the blood test is usually a bad move because then you're stuck with that information. Source: worked in a UK GUM clinic, saw (and had to counsel people through) a lot of freak-outs about herpes.

jabby fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Aug 11, 2023

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

jabby posted:

Anyway, that's my medical rant. HSV concerns people way more than it should, getting the blood test is usually a bad move because then you're stuck with that information. Source: worked in a UK GUM clinic, saw (and had to counsel people through) a lot of freak-outs about herpes.

Concerns governments enough to pay you to council people about it, and in my countries case, to have guidelines that say you should inform your partners about your infection status before you have sex. Hardly a nothing-burger.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
HSV might cause Alzheimer's

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Look, I know you all played that flash pandemic game. HSV is clearly staying asymptomatic and saving up points until it gets a foothold in Madagascar. Then it will unlock necrosis and kill us all.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

thotsky posted:

Concerns governments enough to pay you to council people about it, and in my countries case, to have guidelines that say you should inform your partners about your infection status before you have sex. Hardly a nothing-burger.

I mean I was paid to tell people not to worry about it while I treated them for other, more serious stuff like chlamydia or gonorrhoea. The blood test isn't part of a sexual health screen on the NHS, it's just not considered a public health issue.

The informing people thing is important to think about before having the blood test though. You might go from being in the majority of people who *have* HSV-1 to the fraction of people who *know* they have HSV-1, which has potentially more lasting implications than the virus itself.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

jabby posted:

I mean I was paid to tell people not to worry about it while I treated them for other, more serious stuff like chlamydia or gonorrhoea. The blood test isn't part of a sexual health screen on the NHS, it's just not considered a public health issue.

The informing people thing is important to think about before having the blood test though. You might go from being in the majority of people who *have* HSV-1 to the fraction of people who *know* they have HSV-1, which has potentially more lasting implications than the virus itself.

Lots of people have chlamydia without knowing it and for most people it goes away on its own after a year. Neonatal Herpes is super serious. The fact that the social stigma of herpes is so detrimental probably has something to do with why it is not a part of the standard screening (also, peeing in a cup is cheaper then having to take and process a blood test). It seems unlikely that kind of stigma is completely irrational.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
My hot take is that while being infected with herpes is less than ideal and no one should be expected to take any unnecessary medical risks that could reduce their quality of life, conservative sex ed programs that basically said if you have sex outside of marriage you will get herpes and you'll have weeping sores for the rest of your life and no one will ever love you is probably the larger reason why we stigmatize it.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




One doesn’t even need to have sex to get oral herpes. Any things with saliva.

Mappo
Apr 27, 2009
If anyone is in the LA area. The Geffen Contemporary at MOCA will have a month-long residency called KINK OUT: Ephemera. This will include roughly half of the Carter/Johnson Library as an exhibit. The Carter/Johnson Library is a collection of BDSM/Leather history, books and art. This includes a number of rare books, photos and art going back to the 1700s. On September 9th, Viola Johnson the founder and head librarian will be there and on September 30th with her wife Jill Carter. Vi Johnson and Jill Carter are icons in the Leather community, this is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to hear and meet them.

I highly recommend visiting the Carter Johnson Library if you have the ability. As someone who is openly kinky and leather, I'm constantly told that I am sick, wrong, I should be ashamed and I am unworthy of God's love. Being in the Library is a reminder that I am not alone, I have history, culture and most importantly family.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

thotsky posted:

the fact that the social stigma of herpes is so detrimental probably has something to do with why it is not a part of the standard screening

It's mostly because it's more expensive than all of our other tests combined, and it often gives false results. That plus the overblown stigma of a herpes diagnosis is reason enough for us not to bother. There are actual dangerous-to-the-general-public things for which we can test at a fraction of the cost and with more accurate results.

Most people do not need to be concerned with herpes for medical reasons. If a person has concerns with herpes for medical reasons, then they're better off going to their family doctor to discuss them. We don't need to burn millions of dollars on subpar tests that cause more psychological damage than they do to prevent physical damage.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

Shine posted:

It's mostly because it's more expensive than all of our other tests combined, and it often gives false results...

We don't need to burn millions of dollars on subpar tests that cause more psychological damage than they do to prevent physical damage.

I did speculate about them being expensive. As for detection issues, that's kind of old news. Yes, it is best to be able to do a swab of a lesion, but there's a bunch of options now, many of them very good, and soon you'll be able to walk out of the clinic with a diagnosis, or test at home: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8293188/

Weird that people are working on that kind of thing, seeing as it's no big deal and all.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Aug 13, 2023

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
Sex Questions Megathread: the Getting Big Mad About Herpes club

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

thotsky posted:

Lots of people have chlamydia without knowing it and for most people it goes away on its own after a year. Neonatal Herpes is super serious. The fact that the social stigma of herpes is so detrimental probably has something to do with why it is not a part of the standard screening (also, peeing in a cup is cheaper then having to take and process a blood test). It seems unlikely that kind of stigma is completely irrational.

50 - 80% of Americans have HSV depending which study you look at, which means you probably have it. I probably have it. I've had chickenpox too, another incurable herpes-virus. The stigma is totally irrational, stop worrying. Herpes gonna getcha.

Fun fact: the ASHA thinks most of us get HSV-1 from being kissed by relatives as children, so if you do get tested you know who to start pointing fingers at.

jabby fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Aug 13, 2023

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

thotsky posted:

I did speculate

Clearly.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


jabby posted:

Fun fact: the ASHA thinks most of us get HSV-1 from being kissed by relatives as children, so if you do get tested you know who to start pointing fingers at.

Sex Questions Megathread: I got herpes from my grandma

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Xand_Man posted:

Sex Questions Megathread: I got herpes from my grandma

TheMightyHandful
Dec 8, 2008

I got herpes from your grandma

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
Sex Questions Megathread: This isn't your grandma's herpes

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Discendo Vox posted:

Sex Questions Megathread: This isn't your grandma's herpes, it’s my grandma’s herpes

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

> Please shut the gently caress up about your grandma’s herpes

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT
Sex Questions Megathread: Please shut the gently caress up about your grandma's dick blood

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:

Because largely harmless isn't completely harmless.

It has seen been amended to 'Mostly Harmless'

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

This is sort of a "not having sex" question, but there's been no posts here in over two months so maybe we're all in the same boat...

I'm a single 38 year old man and over the past year or maybe two, my sex drive has fallen through the floor. Yeah, I'm nearing 40 and I suppose some of that's to be expected. But I'd like to mitigate that or even reverse it if possible - and maybe there's more to this than just aging. Not to veer off into e/n territory too much, but even before this I wasn't having sex. I want to try dating again, which is itself going to be a challenge for mental health reasons, but...some libidinal motivation would obviously help me get back into that.

Physically, I'm healthy. I have a good diet, drink sparingly, and lift/run/swim.

I guess the thing is to see a doctor or a psychologist first. I will do that, but I'm wondering if anyone here has experienced something similar or has additional advice.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

This is sort of a "not having sex" question, but there's been no posts here in over two months so maybe we're all in the same boat...

I'm a single 38 year old man and over the past year or maybe two, my sex drive has fallen through the floor. Yeah, I'm nearing 40 and I suppose some of that's to be expected. But I'd like to mitigate that or even reverse it if possible - and maybe there's more to this than just aging. Not to veer off into e/n territory too much, but even before this I wasn't having sex. I want to try dating again, which is itself going to be a challenge for mental health reasons, but...some libidinal motivation would obviously help me get back into that.

Physically, I'm healthy. I have a good diet, drink sparingly, and lift/run/swim.

I guess the thing is to see a doctor or a psychologist first. I will do that, but I'm wondering if anyone here has experienced something similar or has additional advice.

I mean I've been pretty depressed lately, due to world events

Are you depressed?

Leviathan Song
Sep 8, 2010

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

This is sort of a "not having sex" question, but there's been no posts here in over two months so maybe we're all in the same boat...

I'm a single 38 year old man and over the past year or maybe two, my sex drive has fallen through the floor. Yeah, I'm nearing 40 and I suppose some of that's to be expected. But I'd like to mitigate that or even reverse it if possible - and maybe there's more to this than just aging. Not to veer off into e/n territory too much, but even before this I wasn't having sex. I want to try dating again, which is itself going to be a challenge for mental health reasons, but...some libidinal motivation would obviously help me get back into that.

Physically, I'm healthy. I have a good diet, drink sparingly, and lift/run/swim.

I guess the thing is to see a doctor or a psychologist first. I will do that, but I'm wondering if anyone here has experienced something similar or has additional advice.

We could play 100 questions and never hit on something a doctor or psychologist would diagnose in 5 minutes. You should definitely see both of those. Depression and anxiety can cause low libido. So can side effects of medicine, hormonal problems, vitamin deficiencies, or long covid could also do it. Probably 10 other things that I'm not even thinking of.

In the meantime you might try a multivitamin if you don't already take one. Especially as you get into middle age you can develop a need for vitamins that you're younger body was fine without when you were younger. Vitamin D deficiency, for example, can cause low libido and tends to become a problem as you get older.

Leviathan Song fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Oct 25, 2023

Brutor Fartknocker
Jun 18, 2013


Ramrod, what did having more libido in the past look like for you? Looking at porn a lot? Pursuing relationships more than currently?

Where would you like to be libido wise? Having sex with a partner regularly?

Also since you're physically healthy yeah, it's doctor/psych/therapist time.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
90% of the internet is going to try to sell you on testosterone supplements. Don’t do that without investigating everything else first

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
Generally avoid any supplement that is marketed for libido or sex drive.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




While I take a multivitamin, they basically are just making your piss more expensive. Don't think that's gonna help homie's sex drive.

Leviathan Song
Sep 8, 2010

Johnny Truant posted:

While I take a multivitamin, they basically are just making your piss more expensive. Don't think that's gonna help homie's sex drive.

Vitamin D really has a genuine affect on sex drive:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29973697/
You can easily google dozens of other studies and articles that back it up.
Low Vitamin C and several of the B complex vitamins also have similar affects on some people. For something that costs pennies a day and has a better chance of positive side effects than negative a multivitamin has a pretty great effort to reward ratio.

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Discendo Vox posted:

Generally avoid any supplement that is marketed for libido or sex drive.

There's a few supplements that can genuinely help that are more for weightlifting, but they mostly come with the twin disclaimers of "there is no standard for product quality or safety" and "well, there's not enough research to know for sure, so if you have heart problems or other issues, don't take it"

Even then, recommending buying a jeweler's scale to measure out milligrams of root powder is not very cash money

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

So I am vitamin deficient, especially in B and D. I got a blood test for the first time in a long time and the doctor was definitely concerned about it. I got a B-12 injection right then and he prescribed a ton of vitamins - B complex, D, daily multivitamin, and magnesium. However, this should be turning around somewhat, as I've been taking these daily for about a month now.

Ok Comboomer posted:

I mean I've been pretty depressed lately, due to world events

Are you depressed?
Probably a bit, my life is fine but pretty directionless right now.

Brutor Fartknocker posted:

Ramrod, what did having more libido in the past look like for you? Looking at porn a lot?


More watching porn for sure. Which is bad! It's not like I want to go back to that. I'd like to be dating and having sex instead. But I have a fear of dating which is more of a psychological issue and beyond the scope of this thread.

Thanks for the replies, I guess it's a bit of medical and mental.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

So I am vitamin deficient, especially in B and D. I got a blood test for the first time in a long time and the doctor was definitely concerned about it. I got a B-12 injection right then and he prescribed a ton of vitamins - B complex, D, daily multivitamin, and magnesium. However, this should be turning around somewhat, as I've been taking these daily for about a month now.

Probably a bit, my life is fine but pretty directionless right now.

More watching porn for sure. Which is bad! It's not like I want to go back to that. I'd like to be dating and having sex instead. But I have a fear of dating which is more of a psychological issue and beyond the scope of this thread.

Thanks for the replies, I guess it's a bit of medical and mental.

there's nothing wrong with looking at a reasonable amount of porn, don't start roping self-shame into this

you can date, and have sex, and look at porn (and if you play your cards right, you could do all three simultaneously)

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Ok Comboomer posted:

you can date, and have sex, and look at porn (and if you play your cards right, you could do all three simultaneously)

Most nice date places will kick you out if you pull up pornhub on your phone and start having sex on the table or whatever. Surely, there are some that won't though.

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