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Angry Diplomat posted:Yeah Bethesda leaning into the old-timey nostalgia aesthetic while mostly half-assing the scathing social satire of the old Fallouts kind of made that inevitable. This is really stretching things beyond belief. There is no Bethesda Fallout that is sincerely Ra Ra America.
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CzarChasm posted:The main NCR contact in the Vegas HQ is a black man IIRC. Not the president, but the guy behind the desk giving missions. To add to this, and forgive me if my memory is a bit fuzzy here: Black brother and sister in charge of the Silver Rush (the absolute top tier energy weapons dealers), with the sister being the brains The unofficial leader of Goodsprings is a woman Several female rangers or officers in NCR, the prison guard at McCarran and Col. Moore at the dam standing out I think Cook Cook (raider leader) is black? Add Violet to that as well Julie Farkas leading the Followers NCR sergeant that leads the squad of soldiers watching over Searchlight is black Ulysses, “leader” of The Divide is black
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It's a little dangerous to think that WRPG space was a pure accepting place before the Bethesda chuds moved in. Like, remember the mod that started this subject is specifically protesting Bethesda's "modern political posturing", for having black NPCs in the first place. The modder is almost certain an old rear end grognard, or at least has the tastes of one. mycot fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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To be fair the wasteland is very cool
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Turns out the guy who put that America died when Obama was elected in his forum signature has some real poo poo ideas!
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mycot posted:It's a little dangerous to think that WRPG space was a pure accepting place before the Bethesda chuds moved in. Case in point: RPGcodex is one of the most Bethesda-hating community and our best chance at a carbon neutral future should we develop a way to capture alt-right incel energy.
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FishMcCool posted:Case in point: RPGcodex is one of the most Bethesda-hating community and our best chance at a carbon neutral future should we develop a way to capture alt-right incel energy. I'm not sure burning those shits like mummies is carbon neutral, but it's my first thought for harnessing their energy.
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7c Nickel posted:This is really stretching things beyond belief. There is no Bethesda Fallout that is sincerely Ra Ra America. You're absolutely correct, and I apologize for muddling the message a bit - yes, the content of a game and the way it's marketed/received by the general public are two totally different things. The writers have done a great job with the Fallout lore in every game I've played. But the underlying message keeps sailing gracefully over the heads of far too many people, and, because capitalism, it seems extremely unlikely that anyone at Bethesda will ever be stupid enough to intentionally alienate the dumbest 15% or whatever of an extremely profitable customer base by publicly telling them, "no, you're interpreting the game's themes wrong and your politics loving suck." Thinking about it, I'm not even sure what anyone could do on that front, short of putting "war is bad, capitalism is bad, and pre-war America was made entirely out of war and capitalism" in as a loading screen tip or something similarly hamfisted. And it would just get immediately modded out anyway  On the bright side, the Fallout fandom could be worse. It could be the Warhammer 40k fandom
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Some people are just stupid, and no amount of playing video games and yelling about video games will make them smarter.
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Angry Diplomat posted:Yeah Bethesda leaning into the old-timey nostalgia aesthetic while mostly half-assing the scathing social satire of the old Fallouts kind of made that inevitable. what the hell are you talking about? People screamed at bethesda not getting the story because they let you join the institute (closest thing to the enclave since they are all MIT techbros who made their secret society) and you still had to do imperialism. It's not a super subtle story to get unless you are among the wide class of gamers who think consuming videogames is praxis.
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Mega64 posted:Some people are just stupid Big if true.
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Byzantine posted:The Bethesda Fallouts are not half-assed at all in hammering the point that the pre-war USA was a fascist hellhole. They blatantly and repeatedly show the US was throwing its own citizens into concentration camps, opening fire on protestors with the military, performing human experimentation on prisoners, and whatever other horrid actions you can think of. You can find what used to be Boston's Chinatown in Fallout 4 and it was destroyed by a race riot before the nukes dropped. They're honestly more open about how dogshit the pre-war country was than 1 and 2 because they have a greater focus on retrofuturism. Me visiting the Hallucinogen factory in Fallout 4, piecing together the entire tale of late capitalist incompetence - and graft - hearing about how the entire thing is a scam that does the opposite of what it says and thinking "boy, bgs doesn't GET the based critique the real devs made." 7c Nickel posted:This is really stretching things beyond belief. There is no Bethesda Fallout that is sincerely Ra Ra America. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, BGS DOESNT GET FALLOUT LIKE OBSIDIAN DOES!!! Angry Diplomat posted:On the bright side, the Fallout fandom could be worse. It could be the Warhammer 40k fandom Nah at this point the 40k fandom is significantly more chill and accepting than fallout. Todd Howard should have purchased some other franchise and popularized it. Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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Bethesda's problem is just bad writing, not any failure to understand any specific message in fallout.
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they focus on fun gameplay instead. Stealing hubcaps to pimp out your custom gun >>> critique of capital that will just be used in someone's video essay.
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Sorry I don't have the right kind of brain worms to make a scavenging game with bad shooter mechanics fun in and of itself. It's fine though as the flavor breaking up a well told story. edit: My preference is also the result of brain worms. Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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User name checks out.
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Fallout 4 is bad, I can say this with authority since I have 140 hours in the game
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StillFullyTerrible posted:Fallout 4 is bad, I can say this with authority since I have 500 hours in the game
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I played Fallout 4 for a little bit and enjoyed it okay, but then I decided it would be fun to take a cool-looking rifle I found that was made of pipes and scrap metal and upgrade it as much as I could. I tried that, then at one point in the upgrade process it just morphed into a totally generic factory-made hunting rifle. Bummed me out so bad I never picked the game up again.
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Bethesda is great at making fun worlds encased in garbage games. I've learned over the years that mods can only do so much to fix a Bethesda game. Maybe I'll finally learn that lesson and never try to mod Skyrim again.
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explain the garbage games part.
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There is a lot of garbage in their games.
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isn't that like half of the charm? stuff that would be window dressing in another game is fully interactable.
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Some of that garbage is skeletons and some of those skeletons have party hats or stuffed animals
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Gamers like to just sort of parrot 'Bethesda Bad' on down the line without checking out a lot of the reasons why Their mainline series games are fairly shallow, a vast but ankle-deep ocean that, at times, feels more like a playground of ideas than a fully realized final product. They're consistently mid, nothing actually bad but just aggressively Alright. I have a lot of fun just dicking around in them Magmarashi fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Nah, elder scrolls melee sucks and their spell selection has only gotten less interesting with each game. FO3 and FO4 just have bad stories, with FO4 being extra bad because they clearly thought the settlement system was a replacement for actual cities. Although it is at least the first time the shooting in the game hasn't felt like complete garbage. The boss fights are always lame because they have nothing mechanically beyond "more health" and the games are all buggy as gently caress, they're mediocre to bad games that are basically saved by a lack of competition and a shitload of modding. i still have 150+ hours in fo4 because i can load up a bunch of ww2/cold war guns and have a decent enough time for a dozen or so hours e: I'm also a sucker for Sim Settlement god I wish they'd actually made settlements interesting the least bit involved in the base game TGLT fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Did they ever let you build settlements that don't look like poo poo? It has always amused me that the new construction still looks faded and broken - there should be that contrast between the new buildings going up and the old dilapidated ruins of the previous civilization.
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There's a mod that lets you use assets from Covenant (a preserved prewar town) in your settlement building.
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No, you see, all you can do is scavenge materials and if what you get those materials from is old and broken then anything you build with them will be old and broken too. 
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Dirk the Average posted:Did they ever let you build settlements that don't look like poo poo? It has always amused me that the new construction still looks faded and broken - there should be that contrast between the new buildings going up and the old dilapidated ruins of the previous civilization. People are used to old half-disintegrating buildings. It's what they're comfortable with, and when they build new structures they build them in that style.
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These are the same people who are content living in areas that still have skeletons laying around
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Leal posted:These are the same people who are content living in areas that still have skeletons laying around Also the same people who don't bother to question whether it should even be possible to eat 200+ year old spam and twinkies off the floor of a random dilapidated shed, much less a good idea.
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Tankbuster posted:they focus on fun gameplay instead. Stealing hubcaps to pimp out your custom gun >>> critique of capital that will just be used in someone's video essay. Shut up
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Leal posted:These are the same people who are content living in areas that still have skeletons laying around "Still" have skeletons lying around? There's hundreds of hours labour in procuring all those skeletons, wiring them to stay together, and arranging them artfully. Show some respect for their hard work.
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I steal hubcaps in my critique of capital game, Disco Elysium. you can have both, gamers
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silentsnack posted:Also the same people who don't bother to question whether it should even be possible to eat 200+ year old spam and twinkies off the floor of a random dilapidated shed, much less a good idea. The Apocalypse did not preserve the brightest of humanity.
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Leal posted:These are the same people who are content living in areas that still have skeletons laying around A big part of the reason I never clicked on with the Bethesda Fallouts was the degree to which the worlds felt like theme park kitsch. In FO 1, 2, and NV people are living in ruins, but there are also attempts and restoration and new construction scattered around. They feel like worlds people are living within and improving, whereas FO 3 and 4 felt more like a surface level aesthetic.
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