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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wait people don’t like Course: Oblivion? It’s one of the few Voyagers I genuinely love because it’s so bleak. I'm with you, it's probably in my top 10 in the series.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I got high as a loving kite last night and watched "Jihad", the first episode of TAS because my regional Netflix has the series for some reason and what I can recall of it was surprisingly good for what it is. That's a fun episode. Keep watching, it stays about that crazy.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wait people don’t like Course: Oblivion? It’s one of the few Voyagers I genuinely love because it’s so bleak. Wait, people do like it? It's Pointless Nihilism: The Episode, I'd rather get ludovico'd into a whole musical season of Picard than rewatch it.
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Aug 12, 2023 09:57
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McSpanky posted:Wait, people do like it? It's Pointless Nihilism: The Episode, I'd rather get ludovico'd into a whole musical season of Picard than rewatch it. the episode had a kind of novelty before *gestures to the last decade and a half*
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Aug 12, 2023 10:11
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Lord Hydronium posted:I feel like pretty much every so-called worst episode of Star Trek is automatically better than Code of Honor simply by virtue of not being extremely loving racist. Yes, Sub Rosa is absolutely in the "so bad it's good" territory, or at least "so schlocky it's good". There are quite a few bad TNG episodes that are totally dull and forgettable, but there's only one with a horny zombie grandma that shoots force lighting.
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Aug 12, 2023 11:44
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skasion posted:TOS did it. Leslie, the ultimate crewman! Went through at least three departments, got gassed as a redshirt in “Obsession”, came back like it wasn’t nothing
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Sir Lemming posted:Yes, Sub Rosa is absolutely in the "so bad it's good" territory, or at least "so schlocky it's good". There are quite a few bad TNG episodes that are totally dull and forgettable, but there's only one with a horny zombie grandma that shoots force lighting. Plus a cloud tries to kill Groundskeeper Willie. I don't like it at all and don't consider it good, but it isn't boring. I'll give it that. Stuff is happening the whole time, even if I don't like it.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wait people don’t like Course: Oblivion? It’s one of the few Voyagers I genuinely love because it’s so bleak. Same here. I usually don't like "The end; no moral" kind of stories, but it really works with Voyager for some reason.
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Okay guys, you're selling me on the sexy ghost episode, it sounds mental. If it's in the Spock's Brain realm and not the Alternative Factor realm, I'm down.
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Yeah, it's a fun one. Also, my partner and I are bouncing around Treks after finishing SNW and TNG, mostly catching TOS but also a bit of DS9 and the movies and an occasional LDS. I asked her what show she was in the mood for and what tone last night, and she said she was open to anything. So I took a chance and we watched the salamander Voyager episode. I hadn't watched Voyager since syndication, and the first thing that struck me is just how utterly lifeless the production design was. The second thing is just how true it is that the show chokes itself to death on technobabble. The third was that the characters are just not compelling or well-written. These are not unique observations, naturally, but I figured they were overstated in my memory and in discussion. But nope. First thing my partner said was "This show really isn't well-written, is it?" followed soon after by "These characters aren't very good." Still, I'm gonna watch one of the film serial episodes soon, I remember those being super fun. They also got me into film serials, which I'm not sure if I should be thankful for or not.
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Gates McFadden really sells answering the door after having just got off too
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McSpanky posted:Wait, people do like it? It's Pointless Nihilism: The Episode, I'd rather get ludovico'd into a whole musical season of Picard than rewatch it.
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DS9 is good and deserves to be watched in something fairly close to its entirety. Season 1 and season 7 are the only ones with more than a few skips
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Arglebargle III posted:DS9 is good and deserves to be watched in something fairly close to its entirety. Season 1 and season 7 are the only ones with more than a few skips Yeah, I recently finished a first-time watch of DS9, and there are only a very small number of episodes I would recommend skipping. Even in Season 1 I can't think of any obvious clunkers.
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Soul Dentist posted:Every single DS9 episode is better than any Voyager episode Demonstrably false. To pick two with a big difference in quality, Living Witness (VOY) is better than Profit and Lace (DS9). 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wait people don’t like Course: Oblivion? It’s one of the few Voyagers I genuinely love because it’s so bleak.  I have a hard time enjoying Sub Rosa as bad in a fun way because it is about a rape ghost. It's not as bad as VOY's Retrospect, but it's pretty loving bad.
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Wait, now it's a rape ghost? YOU GUYS, COME ON I had it built up in my head that it was a ghostly Fabio and Beverly's like "Oh, you're so sexy ghost Fabio." And they have a deep and emotional relationship, which ends sadly when she realises she can't live with all the constant spook jump scares.
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feedmyleg posted:I hadn't watched Voyager since syndication, and the first thing that struck me is just how utterly lifeless the production design was. For about 90-95%+ of the show this and the rest of the post is accurate but there are a handful of good episodes try "blink of an eye" from season 6 maybe, standalone sci-fi episode that's low on the technobabble
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MuddyFunster posted:Wait, now it's a rape ghost? YOU GUYS, COME ON It's a gothic horror. It's a ghost. You can kind of figure it out from there.
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MuddyFunster posted:Wait, now it's a rape ghost? YOU GUYS, COME ON Oh yeah. Sorry about that. You also get to enjoy some writer being a weeb for Scotland for some inexplicable reason. It's....great.
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Oh, Captain's Holiday! Get on your knees and pray! There's a vacant seat on the Enterprise! And a Horga'hn in his pants! Quite a tame holiday, honestly. There's a whiff of British sitcom movie spinoff/hour long special to it. Picard goes and does the thing in the title and WHOOPS wouldn't you know it, he winds up getting mistaken for his exact doppelganger, a ruthless assassin, then all sorts of comedic shenanigans ensue! Alright, no, that is the plot of the George and Mildred movie. Instead he gets roped into some mildly amusing fish-out-of-water situations and a rather dull adventure in some Oblivion looking caves. Also there is time travel. Also, a *spit* Ferengi is there, who cares. When Picard's adventure gal love interest intimates that they could end up somehow doing this all over again, I'm like; "No, thanks, but no." Tin Man was alright. I felt pretty sorry for Elbrun, sad Betazoid boy. Really didn't like how Riker and Picard were treating him. Still, he found a happy ending with his weird alien flesh ship thing. Lump that into the good, not great category.
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MuddyFunster posted:Oh, Captain's Holiday! Fun fact: for the French dub of the show, the character of Vash had to be renamed, because "vache" (pronounced similarly) means "cow".
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Arglebargle III posted:DS9 is good and deserves to be watched in something fairly close to its entirety. Season 1 and season 7 are the only ones with more than a few skips As much as people rag on DS9 s7, there were still some top 10 episodes in there. Like Treachery, Faith and the Great River. But of course, I'm a sucker for Weyoun.
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AlternateNu posted:As much as people rag on DS9 s7, there were still some top 10 episodes in there. Like Treachery, Faith and the Great River. But of course, I'm a sucker for Weyoun. Yeah, I can see the argument for S1, but S7, even if I were looking for poo poo to skip to get through the season faster, I come up with all of four episodes: Chrysalis, Prodigal Daughter, Emperor's New Cloak, and Field of Fire. You can make a case for Extreme Measures, which isn't very good, but it's also very much part of the finale.
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Rewatching DS9 S1, and they really like "weird thing comes through the wormhole and messes with everyone" plots. On Dramatis Personae now and that's the third one in a row with that premise. It feels very TNG in a way that the show grows out of in later seasons to become its own thing.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Rewatching DS9 S1, and they really like "weird thing comes through the wormhole and messes with everyone" plots. On Dramatis Personae now and that's the third one in a row with that premise. It feels very TNG in a way that the show grows out of in later seasons to become its own thing. It's really interesting how unprepared they appear to have been to write a show about a space station in fixed space given the number of "aliens of the week" that randomly came through the wormhole in the beginning of the show's run. You can see some ideas beginning to form though, the Hunters from Dramatis Personae were like some sort of proto Jem'Hadar.
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I recall one of the writers talking about how they saw Deep Space Nine as being like Gunsmoke in that the problems come to town instead of going out to the problems
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Yeah. As goofy as it is, Move Along Home is a pretty good example of the show's original premise. Just weird bullcrap coming out of the Gamma Quadrant episodically, rinse, repeat.
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MuddyFunster posted:Wait, now it's a rape ghost? YOU GUYS, COME ON I'd be reluctant to call it a rape ghost for reasons that become clear during the episode. It gets sort of complicated and blurry.
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Penitent posted:It's really interesting how unprepared they appear to have been to write a show about a space station in fixed space given the number of "aliens of the week" that randomly came through the wormhole in the beginning of the show's run. You can see some ideas beginning to form though, the Hunters from Dramatis Personae were like some sort of proto Jem'Hadar. Tosk also seems like a proto Jem’Hadar. Similar boxy/scaly design, similar invisibility powers, and even the same kind of character motives we see in a lot of JH—complete, unshakable determination to live out their objectively awful fate.
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Tighclops posted:I recall one of the writers talking about how they saw Deep Space Nine as being like Gunsmoke in that the problems come to town instead of going out to the problems Yeah, the official in-house comparison was that TOS and TNG were "Wagon Train to the stars" and DS9 was "The Rifleman in space".
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skasion posted:Tosk also seems like a proto Jem’Hadar. Similar boxy/scaly design, similar invisibility powers, and even the same kind of character motives we see in a lot of JH—complete, unshakable determination to live out their objectively awful fate. He is Tosk.
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skasion posted:Tosk also seems like a proto Jem’Hadar. Similar boxy/scaly design, similar invisibility powers, and even the same kind of character motives we see in a lot of JH—complete, unshakable determination to live out their objectively awful fate.
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Nessus posted:It would be reasonable that he might have been from the same original stock as the Jem'hadar, or had been a modified one. There's enough similarity to between Tosk and the Hunters (in the forehead, for instance) that it's more likely that the two are closely related, and the Dominion boosted the Tosk to create a better prey species using similar techniques as they did to the Jem'Hadar to create better soldiers.
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Railing Kill posted:Yeah. As goofy as it is, Move Along Home is a pretty good example of the show's original premise. Just weird bullcrap coming out of the Gamma Quadrant episodically, rinse, repeat. Move Along Home isn't actually a skip in my book. It's weird and goofy but I like the aliens and Armin Shimmerman manages to sell his scenes. The Storyteller and If Wishes Were Horses are the lowest points of the season IMO. And the one with Bashir in the old age makeup.
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