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pantslesswithwolves posted:competent military power We're talking about Australia, here.
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A.o.D. posted:We're talking about Australia, here. Hey I met some Aussie sailors while I was on active duty and those good could loving drink What were we talking about again?
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psydude posted:Yes, because the post revolutionary Iran of the 1970s and 1980s was definitely receptive to Western attempts at diplomacy and modernization. A situation we caused nearly entirely by our actions. The Iranian's had a lot of agency, so its not solely due to US intervention, but we were a fat hand at tipping the scales.
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A.o.D. posted:We're talking about Australia, here. Australia spent most of the 20th century producing really good infantry, 1915-1972 anyway. They did okay in Iraq too, so they still have some institutional knowledge that was paid for the hard way.
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CommieGIR posted:Amazing how our choices were moderate, possible socialist uprising in the 50s and 70s, but no, the repressive hardliners was somehow deemed the better choice You do understand that our nation is run by rich people and anything to do with “socialism” is the worst fear they have, right? Socialism can’t be seen to work or else they’re hosed.
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CommieGIR posted:Amazing how our choices were moderate, possible socialist uprising in the 50s and 70s, but no, the repressive hardliners was somehow deemed the better choice Don't word it as if the choice was made by the satanic overlords, the Shah was supported and handed weapons but dictators are really poo poo at handing over power in a orderly fashion. Also US policy was absolute inconsistent garbage even when the violence became undeniably horrible. The main reason the hardliners won was because the moderates were splintered and naive enough to ally themselves with the hardline islamists - the enemy of my enemy etc. They then got unscrupulously murdered when the ayatollah consolidated power. I'm saying that Iran's people had a more agency than can be condensed into a few paragraphs but it ended in tragedy nonetheless. Kinda like the lesson here is, you should never hand it to any flavor of extremist.. or expect to be able to moderate extremist tendencies by sharing power with them.
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Murgos posted:You do understand that our nation is run by rich people and anything to do with “socialism” is the worst fear they have, right? Nearly every "socialist" movement from that era was being equally backed by the USSR for identical reasons of superpower competition. And in the ones that were truly independent, like Vietnam, more moderate voices like Ho Chi Minh were eventually overwhelmed by hardliners like Le Duan. Does that excuse any meddling from that era? No, but there's this weird persistent leftist myth that the history of socialism in the mid 20th century is one of plucky Marxists being crushed by the US, and let's just ignore the heaps of evidence to the contrary. And you can draw a direct line from that to modern day tankie defenses of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. psydude fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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Aug 12, 2023 07:57
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Dandywalken posted:Mirage IIIs and A-4 Skyhawks? Huh. For some reason, I thought they had Harriers, too but that obviously doesn’t make sense in retrospect. Yeah. You can ignore me on that point.
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Aug 12, 2023 11:43
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mllaneza posted:Australia spent most of the 20th century producing really good infantry, 1915-1972 anyway. They did okay in Iraq too, so they still have some institutional knowledge that was paid for the hard way. How's the competence of their procurement?
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Aug 12, 2023 11:59
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A.o.D. posted:How's the competence of their procurement? We pretty much take whatever the US decides to send us.
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The Lone Badger posted:We pretty much take whatever the US decides to send us. Ah, I was under the impression that it was the one place in Australia you could see Canada from.
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Aug 12, 2023 13:23
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Murgos posted:You do understand that our nation is run by rich people and anything to do with “socialism” is the worst fear they have, right? Very much understood. Just it's loving dumb as all hell
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Aug 12, 2023 13:39
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A.o.D. posted:How's the competence of their procurement? A.o.D. posted:Ah, I was under the impression that it was the one place in Australia you could see Canada from. I don't think we're that bad? We have pretty modern stuff; F35s, AWACS, tanks etc. I'd say perhaps our Navy isn't as good as it should be given the size of our coastline and small population. Probably the only major black mark I can think of is our previous Collins class subs which were a huge political quagmire and not as quiet as they should have been. HOPEFULLY the lessons were learned there and as pissed off as the French are about the whole thing, I think the current AUKUS deal is better (despite the humungous cost) because there should at least be a few tried and tested American Virginias included in early batches to cover us between Collins retirement and the new joint venture sub. I'm sure some griping will go back and forth over the years (and different governments) about cost, location and all that other crap, but I don't expect the same bullshit as Canadian procurement.
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Aug 12, 2023 13:41
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Australia managed to procure an AWACS so good that the US is now going to buy it. Between that and the other modern, high-end stuff they're buying (FA-18, F-35, P-8, subs) they seem to be doing pretty well.
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Aug 12, 2023 13:54
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Then again, Australia loves nothing more than MOTS(modified). We just can't help modifying kit once it is in service.
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I guess the Australian procurement situation was an invention of my imagination. Sorry.Skanky Burns posted:Then again, Australia loves nothing more than MOTS(modified). We just can't help modifying kit once it is in service. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUz0TBtRBO8
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Aus naval procurement was bad for a long tome, I thought.
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There's some footage of what purports to be the Kerch bridge on fire in multiple locations. I don't know how true it is, but here, have a link to some Twitter video. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1690313845842014209
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Aug 12, 2023 15:09
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A.o.D. posted:There's some footage of what purports to be the Kerch bridge on fire in multiple locations. I don't know how true it is, but here, have a link to some Twitter video. Well, we can hear a little bit of Hard Bass in the background, so who knows it may be legit.
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in a well actually posted:Aus naval procurement was bad for a long tome, I thought. They got a bunch of our Perry class FFGs and actually made them menacing. I remember being on my old ship, passing an Aussie Perry port-to-port through the Strait of Malacca and feeling quite emasculated. 
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bennyfactor posted:Well, we can hear a little bit of Hard Bass in the background, so who knows it may be legit. Maybe, Google Maps is showing a lot of red-level traffic, particularly on the side trying to leave the peninsula.
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Aug 12, 2023 15:47
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1690353932982431744?t=_CUIKwbNMnOooxzQvZxJwQ&s=19
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I wouldn't be surprised if the operational plan is to fix the Russian main body along the southern and Eastern front and then build pontoon bridges across the Dnipro to enable a rapid mechanized assault around their flank. If they've already managed to secure the far shore and push Russian heavy artillery out of range, then that's the likely next step.
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A.o.D. posted:There's some footage of what purports to be the Kerch bridge on fire in multiple locations. I don't know how true it is, but here, have a link to some Twitter video. The smoke is purportedly smoke generators to try and obscure the bridge. Latest report was that Ukraine launched a couple repurposed S-200s at the bridge, (or at least at Crimea, CEP on those things can't be great) which were intercepted, along with a bunch of drones.
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Aug 12, 2023 17:15
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Corner them in Pripyat and blow up the power plant (again)
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Coasterphreak posted:Corner them in Pripyat and blow up the power plant (again)
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Resplendentoops posted:The smoke is purportedly smoke generators to try and obscure the bridge. I wonder how many drones Ukraine can launch at them vs the number of AA missiles Russia has to defend against that. Also, are the drone strikes in and around Moscow forcing the Russians to reduce the (limited?) number of AA batteries in the combat areas, or are they denuding other areas of the country?
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Aug 12, 2023 18:09
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Resplendentoops posted:The smoke is purportedly smoke generators to try and obscure the bridge. While that's certainly possible, what good are smoke generators for defending a stationary piece of architecture? The Russian government has, at best, an adversarial relationship with the truth. Regardless, we'll have a clearer picture in a day or so.
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Aug 12, 2023 18:16
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Explosives are a smoke generator of sorts
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A boombox playing hard bass and a pile of track suits is too. E: Dammit now I want to hear Werner Herzog narrate a gopnik documentary.
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Aug 12, 2023 18:43
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Pwiiiiiiisssshh vrooooooowowowowooooow “You must never listen to zhis”
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https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1690316111395299328 More excitement at the Kerch Strait Bridge again today, unclear what/if any damage was done, but a lot of smoke and a lot of worried beachgoers nearby.
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Smoke generators on a miles long, stationary bridge just sounds ridiculous to me. You're not hiding it all and it isn't moving out of harm's way.
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bird food bathtub posted:Smoke generators on a miles long, stationary bridge just sounds ridiculous to me. You're not hiding it all and it isn't moving out of harm's way. Aren't they in a hilariously bad position if that bridge goes down?
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I love how everyone is just accepting that Moscow is telling the truth about smoke generators
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I love how everyone is just accepting that Moscow is telling the truth about smoke generators Well, the white smoke points to it?
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No no, the smoke is just a side effect of the heat sources set up to confuse IR seekers.
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in a well actually posted:No no, the smoke is just a side effect of the heat sources set up to confuse IR seekers. Coincidentally, the heat sources are missiles. But not Ukrainian missiles. No sir.
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Found the E-4 and below smoke pit 
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