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nine-gear crow posted:That was exactly their reasoning, yes. Just, "This is trash, but we enjoyed it anyway. Because it's actually okay to enjoy trash, you miserable loving assholes."
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Hazo posted:Oh I totally agree. And it sure as hell seemed like they were teasing some kind of future movie tie-in with that cameo in Solo. But so much has gone in and out of development since then I don't know where they're at. Maybe one of the upcoming three movies will explore it. I would love to know what kind of plan they originally had though (if any). I'm just sad that Emilia Clarke has now been shafted three times across as many blockbuster franchises between Game of Thrones, Star Wars and now Marvel with Secret Invasion.
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Wait, is this the same RLM that got popular by dissecting the Star Wars prequels and explaining why they're complete garbage through the perspective of a slurring serial killer? I haven't watched anything from them other than that, and it seems weird that now they'd turn into liking schlocky trash.
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm just sad that Emilia Clarke has now been shafted three times across as many blockbuster franchises between Game of Thrones, Star Wars and now Marvel with Secret Invasion. And the brain aneurysms. It's goddamn tragic
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Hazo posted:Wait, is this the same RLM that got popular by dissecting the Star Wars prequels and explaining why they're complete garbage through the perspective of a slurring serial killer? I haven't watched anything from them other than that, and it seems weird that now they'd turn into liking schlocky trash. That was them right out of college (or even in college for the Phantom Menace review), the new commentary is them in their 40s. The views have evolved somewhat.
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Hazo posted:Wait, is this the same RLM that got popular by dissecting the Star Wars prequels and explaining why they're complete garbage through the perspective of a slurring serial killer? I haven't watched anything from them other than that, and it seems weird that now they'd turn into liking schlocky trash. They're aging and turning into old boomers at a geometric rate. They loving loved Star Trek: Picard Season 3 despite it being the exact type of creatively bankrupt nostalgia milking slop they've railed against for years. They're kind of becoming victims of the online environment they helped cultivate a decade ago. E: also them liking schlocky trash is not anything new. That's what Best of the Worst is all about. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Aug 13, 2023 |
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Aug 13, 2023 22:28
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Hazo posted:Wait, is this the same RLM that got popular by dissecting the Star Wars prequels and explaining why they're complete garbage through the perspective of a slurring serial killer? I haven't watched anything from them other than that, and it seems weird that now they'd turn into liking schlocky trash. Same ones, yeah. But they've always loved shlock; that's been their whole thing if you ever watched their Best of the Worst series. [edit] efb, I didn't refresh.
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the maul/obi-wan fight would make sense if it was the conclusion of their characters about ten years earlier, but obi-wan in that time period is a batshit crazy old man who's forgotten everything he knew and learned how to survive in a desert from the indigenous people. he should not be doing cool laser sword fights with a devil man; he should put his cloak over his head and make a funny noise, making the devil man fall into a spike pit.
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Just a heads up, there’s a new mini-trailer for Ahsoka now out that spoils something most of us hoped would happen casting/flashback wise. So practice caution for awhile, no telling if this is something in the first two episodes or later on.
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What supports that characterization exactly?
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For live-action stuff the franchise is about 50/50 good/bad now. I have not watched the animated stuff so I can't speak to that. Good- Original trilogy Andor Rogue One TFA/TLJ (although I have problems with both) Most of The Mandalorian outside of Season 3 Bad- Prequels Solo TROS Obi-Wan BoBF (outside of those Mandalorian focused episodes)
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It's mediocre at worst honestly, and most of the animation is in the top half of the top half so you're doing yourself a disservice
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The prequels and Solo are also fine, having revisted them after some time. They're not like great imo, but they're bad either. They're perfectly ok. Still think Solo would've worked just fine without the baggage of the Solo character though; could've just been a heist romp in the Star Wars universe with new characters. Or could've been about Dash Rendar. Or poo poo, it could've been an Aphra vehicle too, now that I think about it.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:It was just funny to me that given how formidable Maul had been in Clone Wars/Rebels how easily Obi-Wan played him. Maul: Look what has become of you. A rat in the desert. Obi Wan: Look what I have risen above. Absolutely loving love that scene.
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It's such a banger, and everything leading up to the Twin Sun duel is great too. The revelation that Obi-Wan was still alive eventually superceding everything Maul had been doing for however many years, and it becoming such a cruicial plot component for the character that would lead to his death is some chef's kiss poo poo. That his obession with finding Obi-Wan ultimately ends up becoming like his whole deal at that point in Rebels was very fitting imo. As an aside, Witwer going psycho apeshit in the behind-the-scenes footage when he yells out Kenobi's name is hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh16h80R5RY
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Hazo posted:Oh I totally agree. And it sure as hell seemed like they were teasing some kind of future movie tie-in with that cameo in Solo. But so much has gone in and out of development since then I don't know where they're at. Maybe one of the upcoming three movies will explore it. I would love to know what kind of plan they originally had though (if any). Iirc, Solo was a planned trilogy that bombed so hard the latter two films were shelved.
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Was not expecting so much love for the Kenobi/Maul duel, meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out who impregnated Hera.
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It is very weird to honestly think that Jacen's father is anyone other than Kanan
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maybealabia posted:It is very weird to honestly think that Jacen's father is anyone other than Kanan The kid looked really young, there was 4+ year time skip, and Kannan seemed quite dedicated to the Jedi code. My assumption was it was him, but Hera's comments throughout the series made it seem as though her romantic interest in him was unrequited. Like, why would she be moping about him not understanding how she felt about him if she was at that very moment carrying his child? If it's just a children's show censorship thing of "We can't acknowledge paternity because it implies sex" then whatever, but the narration was weirdly ambiguous given how obviously it should have been Kannan's. DJ_Mindboggler fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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It was Kanan. Dude was just a kid when the Jedi got Order 66'd, he was absolutely not following any sort of "no attachments" rule or celibacy code. That he and Hera were in an intimate relationship was spelled out very clearly, the kid being his is something made clear enough that even the 10 year olds watching can figure it out.
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1. They all but made out on camera and obviously were talking about their feelings toward the end 2. I just really don't think they'd make her have banged someone other than the person she was in a relationship with for the whole series. What would even be the point?
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maybealabia posted:1. They all but made out on camera and obviously were talking about their feelings toward the end Yeah, I assumed this was the case, it's only the child's age (or lack thereof) and the whole Jedi thing that made me less than 100% sure. Just wondering if I'd missed anything, i binged the show in a rather short time and multitasked during parts.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Yeah, I assumed this was the case, it's only the child's age (or lack thereof) and the whole Jedi thing that made me less than 100% sure. Just wondering if I'd missed anything, i binged the show in a rather short time and multitasked during parts. I mean, the kid has Kadan's skin and eye colour. You'd have to be actively not looking at the screen for the entire time he's seen to somehow think he's anyone but Kanan Jarrus's son.
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In Ahsoka he'll be introduced by his full name - Jacen Syndulla Ohnaka.
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Jacen Calrissian
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maybealabia posted:1. They all but made out on camera and obviously were talking about their feelings toward the end it fits the pattern of what we know of reproduction in star wars Anakin and Padme are shown making out, they end up having Luke and Leia Han and Leia are seen making out, they have Ben it's like poetry, it rhymes
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That's slightly concerning since Luke and Leia also made out
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Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Haven't seen BB yet, so no comment there (I could take or leave them in the Clone Wars). But the Bad Batch show is pretty good. At its worst (which is more often than I'd like) it's a decent kids show, at its best it's really solid Star Wars. The animation is uniformly fantastic though.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Was not expecting so much love for the Kenobi/Maul duel, meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out who impregnated Hera. Are you doing some kind of a bit? Edit: ah, I see. Just the good old "this show I wasn't paying attention to is needlessly confusing". Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Hazo posted:Oh I totally agree. And it sure as hell seemed like they were teasing some kind of future movie tie-in with that cameo in Solo. But so much has gone in and out of development since then I don't know where they're at. Maybe one of the upcoming three movies will explore it. I would love to know what kind of plan they originally had though (if any). Whatever plan they may have had (probably not much of one), Maul wasn't originally part of it. Ron Howard (remember, not the original director) wanted to have someone surprising show up there, so he asked for a list of who was alive in canon at that point that he could use, and saw Maul on the list and thought, "Ha, cool, yeah let's use him." Total last minute addition.
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thrawn527 posted:Whatever plan they may have had (probably not much of one), Maul wasn't originally part of it. Ron Howard (remember, not the original director) wanted to have someone surprising show up there, so he asked for a list of who was alive in canon at that point that he could use, and saw Maul on the list and thought, "Ha, cool, yeah let's use him." Total last minute addition. It was also an unfortunate choice, because Maul's final duel with Obi Wan had aired in Rebels just prior to Solo's release.
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thrawn527 posted:Whatever plan they may have had (probably not much of one), Maul wasn't originally part of it. Ron Howard (remember, not the original director) wanted to have someone surprising show up there, so he asked for a list of who was alive in canon at that point that he could use, and saw Maul on the list and thought, "Ha, cool, yeah let's use him." Total last minute addition. That's interesting, I gotta admit the second I saw Maul my immediate thought was,"Oh, they want to do a Vader/Maul lightsaber duel in the sequel or something  " so learning it was just a completely random choice is a bit of a surprise. But also not really. I was not a big fan of that film, maybe I should rewatch it without the weight of expectations and also with the knowledge that Rise of Skywalker set a new low by which all other Star Wars looks better.
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Rebels isn't just it's own show, it's a direct sequel to the prequels/Clone Wars and is constantly informed by them. You can't judge it outside of that context, or else you'll have a bunch of "what was the point of this character that went nowhere" with arcs that are fulfilled in the OT or a lack of characterization for people that came from the prequels and Clone Wars.
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Jerusalem posted:That's interesting, I gotta admit the second I saw Maul my immediate thought was,"Oh, they want to do a Vader/Maul lightsaber duel in the sequel or something I also heard a story recently about Peter Serafinowicz (told second hand by his The Tick costar Griffin Newman, so grain of salt), who was the voice of Darth Maul in TPM, that he recorded the voice over for Maul's scene in Solo originally. And that he then waited to hear about being invited to the premiere, which came and went without any word. So when he reached out, he was told, "Oh, sorry, we re-recorded it with the Maul from the animated show." No idea if this is true, though. I love Serafinowicz, but he's made up stories before, and like I said, it's a second hand story. I've been burned by Griffin Newman stories before.
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Darko posted:Rebels isn't just it's own show, it's a direct sequel to the prequels/Clone Wars and is constantly informed by them. You can't judge it outside of that context, or else you'll have a bunch of "what was the point of this character that went nowhere" with arcs that are fulfilled in the OT or a lack of characterization for people that came from the prequels and Clone Wars. While I'm sure there were a lot of callbacks I missed, I watched Rebels before I ever watched Clone Wars and I never felt like I was lost or that things didn't make sense. The show did a very good job of making the Galaxy feel like a very lived in, breathing place where a shitload of things were going on.
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