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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
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Total: 404 votes
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Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Endman posted:

Western journalists having a lightbulb moment and finally realising what the Mandate of Heaven really is

they won't.

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

The Russian henchman who is wanted for poisoning Alexander Litvinenko has advanced cancer from the radioactive substance used in the attack.

Andrey Lugovoy, who is wanted for murder by British police, has reportedly developed prostate cancer following the hit in 2006.

Litvinenko, a former Russian federal security services and KGB officer and outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, died in hospital after ingesting Polonium-210, a rare radioactive substance.

Ukrainska Pravda newspaper reported that investigators believe Lugovoy's tumour is related to the radioactive substance and cited findings from his medical reports that were leaked by Ukrainian cyber resistance group Inform-Napalm.

The documents also reveal that he 'refused surgery and radiation therapy' after doctors recommended 'radical treatment' for the disease, the Sun reported.

Lugovoy and his co-accused Dmitri Kovtun were found guilty of killing Litvinenko by a UK court in 2016, which decided there was a 'strong possibility' Russian authorities ordered the spy and wannabe pornstar to kill his compatriot for betraying his country.

The European Court of Human Rights upheld the ruling in 2021, when it declared the Russian state responsible for Litvinenko's killing and found Kovtun and Lugovoy guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

The ECHR's verdict came after Litvinenko's widow Marina brought a case demanding compensation from the Russian authorities for the death of her husband.

The court ordered Russia to pay her 100,000 euros in compensation, but the killers themselves were never brought to justice.

Russia has always denied any involvement in the death and had refused to comply with international arrest warrants issued for Kovtun and Lugovoi.

Neither of the men have ever been brought to justice, with Kovtun having passed away last year in a Moscow hospital aged 56 after succumbing to complications arising from Covid, according to Russian state media.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Or he just got prostate cancer 17 years later.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
A 56 year old man who is almost certainly a heavy drinker and smoker got prostate cancer???? How???

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

mawarannahr posted:

growing basic staples to feed a billion plus ... but at what cost?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

A 56 year old man who is almost certainly a heavy drinker and smoker got prostate cancer???? How???

It may very well be the first time in history that such a thing happened.


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Anyway, looking at the Western youtube set, it seems the big hope is still resting on internal dissension to win the war, that the Russian population needs to be "broken" to win the fight. In all honesty, I think they are going to be waiting a while with the way things are going. I don't think drone strikes in Moscow is going to help either, if anything, it will have the opposite effect. Otherwise, the Russian economy has been discussed at length ITT, and it doesn't seem major polls are budging.

There doesn't seem to be a major panic about the Ruble either, probably because the Central Bank has only started intervening at this point; oil prices seem generally on a upswing as well.

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
Plibble

Clip-On Fedora posted:

The rules based order can't collapse soon enough.

We should get rid of all forms of regulation.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Endman posted:

Western journalists having a lightbulb moment and finally realising what the Mandate of Heaven really is

They would actively not want to know.

Common sense wisdoms such as: "when a local lord endangers the altar of soil and grain he should be replaced." That would never fly in the self proclaimed cradle of western civilization. Let them eat cake.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/N3weis/status/1690784758672797696?s=20

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
(appears on a flash of lightning and crack of thunder)

Badly dubbed: "Zelensky you have violated the heavenly mandate and soiled the altar of prosperity with your cocaine facials and shotgun shell Snickers. The three heavenly kings shall descend and bestow upon you their wrath."

(Scene missing due to VCR jam)

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

lobster shirt posted:

it's feeding people, but the crop is not valuable... who can say whether it's good or not

The Economist

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

lobster shirt posted:

it's feeding people, but the crop is not valuable... who can say whether it's good or not

If you turn it into fuel instead of feeding people with it, it becomes good again!

Isizzlehorn
Feb 25, 2010

:lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick:



Grain is cheap, just buy it and grow profit based crops!

*looks at past year of grain export industry*

HoW cOuLd ThIs HaPpEn?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

DancingShade posted:

(appears on a flash of lightning and crack of thunder)

Badly dubbed: "Zelensky you have violated the heavenly mandate and soiled the altar of prosperity with your cocaine facials and shotgun shell Snickers. The three heavenly kings shall descend and bestow upon you their wrath."

(Scene missing due to VCR jam)

Pretty sure this happened in dark souls


Pundits thinking the free market is an actual thing with the power to influence reality, like gravity, as opposed to a made up thing like hulkamania, always makes me lol

Mr SuperAwesome
Apr 6, 2011

im from the bad post police, and i'm afraid i have bad news
Good news for Ukraine: despite the brutal war, they are still thriving and are able to afford the finer things in life.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1690762949655212032/photo/1

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

Good news for Ukraine: despite the brutal war, they are still thriving and are able to afford the finer things in life.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1690762949655212032/photo/1

It's good to know the monthly 400 million are going to good use.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

Good news for Ukraine: despite the brutal war, they are still thriving and are able to afford the finer things in life.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1690762949655212032/photo/1

imagine how much of a complete poo poo you have to be to think luxury cars are a measure of how good a countries people are doing

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lobster shirt posted:

rice cultivation (actionable threat)

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Regarde Aduck posted:

imagine how much of a complete poo poo you have to be to think luxury cars are a measure of how good a countries people are doing

When you define people as only those that can afford a luxury car its real easy

The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
Plibble

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

Good news for Ukraine: despite the brutal war, they are still thriving and are able to afford the finer things in life.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1690762949655212032/photo/1

Looking at ukrautoproms new car sales stats it appears that car sales as a whole are down from pre-invasion to now. Porsche and Audi sales are both down over that time, BMW up. I didn’t notice any other sports care brands with enough sales to make it onto the list (but I might have missed one).

What is else does the media hide?

Edit - I initially wrote “any sports car brands” instead of “any other sports car brands”

The Artificial Kid has issued a correction as of 00:39 on Aug 14, 2023

Modus Pwnens
Dec 29, 2004
That reads fake to me tbh. I doubt anyone skimming enough aid money to buy luxury cars are buying them in Ukraine.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good news for Ukraine - Ukraine is able to clear the frontlines


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-desperate-for-help-clearing-mines-says-defence-minister

Ukraine desperate for help clearing mines, says defence minister
Daniel Boffey in Donetsk oblast
Sun 13 Aug 2023 14.28 BST

Ukraine is now the most heavily mined country on Earth and its army is suffering from a critical shortage of men and equipment able to clear the frontlines, the country’s defence minister has said, as soldiers spoke of heavy casualties in the engineering brigades.

In an urgent appeal to allies, Oleksii Reznikov told the Guardian his soldiers were unearthing five mines for every square metre in places, laid by Russian troops to try to thwart Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

He said the vast minefields could be traversed, but that it was critically important that allies “expand and expedite” the training already being provided by some nations, including Britain.

The number of sappers in the Ukrainian armed forces was nowhere near enough to get through the complex Russian defences on the vast 600-mile (1,000km) front, with mine clearing units targeted with heavy fire.

Defence ministry officials in Kyiv suggested there was an opportunity for countries such as Japan that do not want to provide lethal aid to offer support in the form of mine clearing equipment and training.

Reznikov said: “Today, Ukraine is the most heavily mined country in the world. Hundreds of kilometres of minefields, millions of explosive devices, in some parts of the frontline up to five mines per square metre.

“Russian minefields are a serious obstacle for our troops, but not insurmountable. We have skilled sappers and modern equipment, but they are extremely insufficient for the front that stretches hundreds of kilometres in the east and south of Ukraine.”

Some of the mines littering the country have been laid by Ukrainian forces to protect their own defensive lines, but the vast majority are Russian.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has complained that having to wait for western delivery of arms and delay the start of this year’s counteroffensive allowed Russia to lay millions of mines ahead of their positions.

Ukraine has five engineering battalions, divided into 200 brigades, which as of May, before the start of this year’s counteroffensive, were each 30 strong.

According to testimony from the front, the numbers of active mine clearers is now significantly lower. The killing of sappers and officers is said to be the most highly prized by the Russian forces.

One brigade active around Staromaiorske, a recently liberated village in the Donetsk region, said it was 30-strong on paper but that it had 13 men in reality, of whom only five were active as a result of injury. Two members of the unit lost limbs in the last fortnight.

Serhiy Ryzhenko, the chief medical officer of the Mechnikov hospital in Dnipro, where many of the most seriously wounded are treated, said he was receiving between 50 and 100 soldiers a day, with mines being second to artillery as the cause of their injuries.

At a meeting in July in Ramstein in Germany of the alliance of 54 countries supporting Ukraine, Lithuania, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark agreed train and equip Ukrainian mine clearing units. Other countries were invited to join.

Reznikov said the initiative had unlocked donations, but that more was desperately needed from a wider range of partners.

“At this stage of our de-occupation campaign we critically need more mine clearance equipment, from minesweeping trawls to Bangalore torpedoes,” he said.

“The de-mining equipment has long been unlocked and we are grateful to our international partners for the already provided support.

“An important step in this direction was the creation at the latest Ramstein meeting of the de-mining coalition at the initiative of the Lithuanian defence minister.

It is also vitally necessary to expand and expedite the training of sappers. It should be fast and systematic. Sappers are needed here and now. Their work saves lives and ensures the advancement of our troops. The de-mining coalition is build on the principle ‘train and equip’. Its efficient implementation will bring Ukraine’s victory closer.”

Pete Smith, the Ukraine programme manager of the mine-clearing NGO Halo, and formerly an officer in command of all of the British army’s explosive ordnance disposal assets, said the level of mine contamination was “unrecognisable in modern history”.

He said: “What we’re witnessing is the heaviest landmine and unexploded ordnance sort of contamination seen certainly in Europe since the second world war.

“There’s considerable evidence of large linear minefields. The other day one walked along a 1.5km minefield with a TM-62 mine placed every 1 metre and that’s just one small part of Mykolaiv [a region in south Ukraine].

“Those were areas that were that were reoccupied by Ukraine quite quickly. Now, across that 1,000km frontline, and then layers and layers of minefields behind that, is something that has been quite unrecognisable in modern history.”

Smith said Ukraine’s depleted sapper units were facing a huge range of types of mine in the battlefield.

“And of course, there’s strong evidence of Russian forces booby-trapping mines and other bits and pieces to prevent the military themselves actually clearing the landmines, and that of course leaves the next few problems for organisations like ourselves,” he said.

Smith suggested that even with 10,000 mine clearers it would take a decade to decontaminate the country. Halo has 900, largely locally sourced, working in Ukraine and plans to have 1,200 trained experts operating in the country by the end of the year.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Finally, some good loving news

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

Good news for Ukraine: despite the brutal war, they are still thriving and are able to afford the finer things in life.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1690762949655212032/photo/1

:thunk:

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

The Artificial Kid posted:

We should get rid of all forms of regulation.

Nah, that sounds dumb.

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

fizzy posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-desperate-for-help-clearing-mines-says-defence-minister

Ukraine desperate for help clearing mines, says defence minister
Daniel Boffey in Donetsk oblast
Sun 13 Aug 2023 14.28 BST

Ukraine is now the most heavily mined country on Earth and its army is suffering from a critical shortage of men and equipment able to clear the frontlines, the country’s defence minister has said, as soldiers spoke of heavy casualties in the engineering brigades.

Bad news for the credibility of Ukraine's defence minister - All reputable sources agree that Ukraine already has everything it needs for its counter-offensive.


Ukraine has what it needs to liberate territories Russia captured since 24 February – US Secretary of State
TETIANA LOZOVENKO
TUESDAY, 9 MAY 2023, 20:43

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken believes that Ukraine has the resources – including weapons – it needs to liberate territories Russia has captured since 24 February 2022.

Source: CNN, citing Blinken’s statement during a joint press conference with UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly

Quote from Blinken: "They have in place…what they need to continue to be successful in regaining territory that was seized by force by Russia over the last 14 months."



https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-has-enough-weapons-begin-counter-offensive-says-foreign-minister-2023-06-05/

Ukraine has enough weapons to begin counter-offensive, says foreign minister

KYIV, June 5 (Reuters) - Ukraine has enough weapons to begin its counter-offensive against Russia, and the operation will give the country the victory it needs to join NATO, Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba told Reuters on Monday.

Membership of the military alliance would "probably" only be possible for Ukraine after the end of active hostilities, Kuleba said in an interview in Kyiv.

Ukraine has for months feted a vast upcoming assault to retake the 18% of its territory still occupied by Russia, using tanks, armoured cars and artillery donated by its Western allies.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Wait are there now two conflicting sources of good news? And both coming from the same poster?? I'm overwhelmed by good news rn

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good news for Ukraine - One way or another, Ukrainian sappers have a job for life, however long that may be


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war

‘You don’t survive that’: Ukraine sappers dice with death to clear Russian mines
by Daniel Boffey in Donetsk oblast
Sun 13 Aug 2023 14.28 BST

Oleksandr Slyusar, a Ukrainian sapper with a ready smile, had spent the last 30 hours under Russian shelling in the recently liberated village of Staromaiorske in the Donetsk region in eastern Ukraine. A rocket fired at them from a Grad system had peppered the legs and back of a fellow landmine-clearer with shrapnel.

Slyusar, 38, had taken his friend west to hospital in Zaporizhzhia city that morning, before arriving back at a secret military base within earshot of the rolling thunder of the Russian guns.

He was preparing to brief an assault unit heading to the frontlines on what perils were awaiting them. “I have just come from the poo poo,” he explained with refreshing honesty.

Slyusar was in a great deal of pain from his back, as he had been for weeks. His commander in the 128th brigade could not afford for to him to take time to get treatment.

On paper, our brigade has 30 sappers,” Slyusar said as he took out a range of mines that had recently been made safe. “In reality, it is 13. As for those who are active at the moment, it is five. I inject myself with a painkiller every day. There are two mistakes a sapper generally makes: stepping on a mine and becoming a sapper.

Ukraine is the most heavily mined country in the world. Estimates vary, but the territory affected is said to be equivalent to twice the land mass of Portugal. Some have been laid by Ukrainian forces, but most are Russian.

Countless further mines are being dug into Ukraine’s soil, distributed across fields and forest from the air or blasted into position by rockets every hour of every day.

Even as some might be cleared by detonation, often undertaken with tools no more sophisticated than a long metal rod to find them and a handful of TNT, a whole load more can float down from above.

The soldiers spearheading Ukraine’s counteroffensive face minefields that are 10 miles deep, a fact defence officials will press upon any commentator bemoaning the lack of progress in this summer’s counteroffensive.

“Today, Ukraine is the most heavily mined country in the world,” Ukraine’s defence minister, Oleksii Reznikov, told the Guardian. “Hundreds of kilometres of minefields, millions of explosive devices, in some parts of the frontline up to five mines per square metre.”

There is a breathtaking variety of ways in which Ukrainian soldiers can die or be grievously injured.

There are the mines with the cute nicknames, such as the “Butterfly”, deployed from mortars, helicopters and aeroplanes, that glide to the ground, into the grasses, ready to explode on contact with a boot.

Then there’s the PMN series, which contain a high level of explosive so that rather than just removing a foot, they can take off a leg. The MON-50 and MON-90 types send fragments of sharp steel in the direction of those who brush their super-fine tripwire. They have a shredding range of up to 90 metres.

The ones the Ukrainian soldiers say they fear the most are the POM-2s and POM-3s. These are remotely distributed via rocket and float to ground on a parachute. The mine sits on its six spring-loaded feet waiting for its seismic sensors to be triggered.

Once detonated, it leaps into into the air to chest height and fires out 1,850 razors directly at its target. It has a lethal range of 16 metres.

“You can’t demine those and you don’t survive that,” said Slyusar, who was a landscape gardener before the invasion last year. “All you can do is destroy them by shooting with a Kalashnikov.”

The sappers at the front creep out into the night and start their work just before the dawn, in the often forlorn hope that they will avoid artillery fire. Any sniff of a Ukrainian mine clearer is met with lethal force.

The unit’s methods, kneeling on the ground, prodding the top surface with two-foot-long metal probes, then using a 90-second fuse to blow up anything discovered, have all the hallmarks of a death wish.

Metal detectors are useless when the ground is littered with the detritus of war. They work in four-hour shifts, in which time they can clear a strip 60cm wide by 100 metres long. “And that’s good going,” said Slyusar. When they are spotted by the enemy, a white smoke bomb is used to hide their retreat.

How far away must you get to be safe?As far as you can run,” said Volodymyr Lysenko, 46, who works alongside Slyusar. “If you see a sapper running, it is best to overtake him.”

It is little wonder, then, that those sent out to try to clear a narrow path on which the troops can advance regularly fail to return.

The Ukrainian ministry of defence is understandably cagey about the precise number of sappers it has in its ranks. They are, after all, now a No 1 target for [spoiler]Russian artillery. It is known that there are five engineer demining batallions, which are broken up into 200 brigades of a similar size to Slyusar’s.

In May, the ministry of defence claimed there were 6,000 sappers in military service, but the number is probably significantly lower.

Just 200 have been trained to an international level that will enable them to act as mentors at home, according to defence ministry sources. Reznikov conceded that the level of manpower and resources was “extremely insufficient”.

There have been calls for the west to donate more mechanical means to clear the mines. The Ukrainian ministry of defence recently announced that it would also make its own clearing machines to bulldoze minefields.

Slyusar said that along with the US-donated protective equipment, familiar to those who watch Hollywood war films, there was limited value to mine-clearing machines at the front.

“The machines will just be hit by the Russian artillery and I can’t wear the heavy protective stuff when I am in the forests. It is like a jungle in there and I need to be mobile,” he said.

Slyusar’s unit only has one set of night-vision goggles and a single pair of “spider boots” between 13 men. The ungainly footwear elevates the feet to give some protection from a blast. Two of his colleagues, Kostyantyn, 38, and Andriy, 39, had lost feet in the last fortnight.

These are pressing requirements, but beyond them the answer is not equipment, said Slyusar, who has benefited from British, US and Canadian courses. “People are the most important thing,” he said.

The Russian supply of mines appears inexhaustible. “They are everywhere, Slyusar said. “I cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel.”

However, Lt Oleksandr Kurbatov, 50, of the Dnipro territorial defence, said he took hope from the fact that they were finding Soviet-era anti-tank mines such as TM-62s and OZM-72s. “If they are using this Soviet poo poo and going to North Korea for weapons, it tells me they are running out,” he said.

Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.”

Landmine injuries can be particularly challenging for surgeons, with pulverised bone, clothing and mud mixed in with gory complex fractures.

Serhiy Ryzhenko, the chief medical officer of Mechnikov hospital in Dnipro, said his surgeons had treated 21,000 soldiers since the start of the war. Mines were the main culprit after artillery fire.

“Every day Mechnikov hospital receives 50 to 100 very, very seriously wounded people,” he said. “Among these 21,000 soldiers, 2,000 were missing limbs. The first surgery for these wounded is performed quickly near the battlefield. Unfortunately, 90% of them result in amputation in the hospital.

It is not just that the landmines are an obstacle to the counteroffensive’s progress that worries the Ukrainian government.

The Ukrainian ground forces have detailed maps indicating where they have laid their own mines. “This is our land, so we have an interest in that,” said Sak. There is no such confidence that the Russians, even if they had such material, would share it in a postwar period.

Pete Smith, the Ukraine programme manager for Halo, a mine-clearing NGO, said the level of contamination in Ukraine was “quite unrecognisable in modern history”. The NGO has 900 mine clearers operating in the country, largely locally sourced, and hope to have 1,200 by the end of the year.

“If you’re going to try and clear this in 10 years, you would need at least 10,000 deminers,” he said. That projection is based on the numbers of landmines deployed so far.

One way or another, Slyusar can safely assume he has a job for life, however long that may be.

fizzy has issued a correction as of 01:24 on Aug 14, 2023

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Guntherposting is taking the world by storm.

https://twitter.com/markamesexiled/status/1690800844982435840?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/White_Janissary/status/1679503543567278080?t=E6ocVBeq-fgIbCoRLBR7iw&s=19

Gunther ftw

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

DancingShade posted:

It's good to know the monthly 400 million are going to good use.

welfare queens out here riding in escalades and eating nose candy every day

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

i can't not laugh at the austrian doing the soyface

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

afu is bogged down in minefields, but at least gunther is winning the posting war

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

sum posted:

So the head of the AFU department for captured Russian equipment gave a specific figure on the number of equipment captured from Russia: 800. This apparently includes all categories of AFVs and artillery, as well as "other vehicles." Wouldn't you know it, this is a far smaller than Oryx's count of nearly 3000 captured pieces of equipment.
https://twitter.com/VigorousFalcon/status/1690659755579314176

Of course, the OSINT experts have a simple explanation for the discrepancy. The officer in charge of the captured equipment department is wrong, no way the bloggers could gently caress up that badly:
https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1690696939950518272

it's so funny that they can't just be like yeah okay Ukraine captured 300 tanks not 600 when 300 is still a shitload

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

babes love nato, the free market, and behavioral nudges through targeted tax policies. it’s a problem and it’s time to talk about it

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

CODChimera posted:

it's so funny that they can't just be like yeah okay Ukraine captured 300 tanks not 600 when 300 is still a shitload

if you give a real number then people can estimate how many tanks that Ukraine is down, which makes it harder to write Good News For Ukraine stories

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

The Artificial Kid posted:

We should get rid of all forms of regulation.

The countries that tout the Rules Based International Order have turned the very concept itself into a joke through their conduct. More aptly stated, it's the "rules for thee but not for me" international order. Western countries do what they want, everyone else has to navigate a maze of foul lines lest they find themselves the target of regime change (notice only they have regimes, we just have legitimate governments)

Plus deregulation efforts are fiercest in these countries and oh wait there's a possibility you were completely serious

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Gunther Hermann

fizzy
Dec 2, 2022

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dokapon Findom posted:

The countries that tout the Rules Based International Order have turned the very concept itself into a joke through their conduct. More aptly stated, it's the "rules for thee but not for me" international order. Western countries do what they want, everyone else has to navigate a maze of foul lines lest they find themselves the target of regime change (notice only they have regimes, we just have legitimate governments)

Plus deregulation efforts are fiercest in these countries and oh wait there's a possibility you were completely serious

Good news for the seriousness of The Artificial Kid - The Artificial Kid is completely serious.

The Artificial Kid posted:

I wouldn’t say that. They just don’t think cluster munitions meet the “off the table” threshold. There’s a big difference between the US dropping cluster bombs on Afghanistan to enforce its will and Ukraine dropping cluster munitions on Ukraine in its own defence. The Ukrainians didn’t get a say in whether Russia could use cluster munitions to attack them, but they get a say in whether they can use them in their own defence. If a weapon is used against them we need a very good reason to assert that they shouldn’t be able to use the same weapon to defend themselves, because every time we deny them that we effectively support the lawless, unanswered, offensive use of those weapons against helpless victims.

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VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Ardennes posted:

It may very well be the first time in history that such a thing happened.


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Anyway, looking at the Western youtube set, it seems the big hope is still resting on internal dissension to win the war, that the Russian population needs to be "broken" to win the fight. In all honesty, I think they are going to be waiting a while with the way things are going. I don't think drone strikes in Moscow is going to help either, if anything, it will have the opposite effect. Otherwise, the Russian economy has been discussed at length ITT, and it doesn't seem major polls are budging.

There doesn't seem to be a major panic about the Ruble either, probably because the Central Bank has only started intervening at this point; oil prices seem generally on a upswing as well.

I don't get the mindset behind "if we bring the war to Russia, that'll make them pack up and go home because they can't take the cost"

I'm reminded of the US domestic reactions to the Iraq and Vietnam wars and how eventually public opinion turned on the war. In either base, if the Viet Cong or Iraqi militants had followed the same strategy of periodic attacks directly on the US, it would've only galvanized support and made the US public even more bloodthirsty. I'm not sure why the same wouldn't apply to Russia. The more Ukraine attacks Russia, the more it's going to convince the Russian public that they need to fight this war.

If they want to argue that these attacks have military value and will directly harm Russia's ability to conduct the war, make that argument. Because the "terror" argument is nonsense and only has the opposite effect.

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