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acksplode posted:If you can last long enough, toward the end you'll get the option to pursue a side quest to rescue someone who fell from a boat. Do that and you'll open up a big new area that ends up being the best content in the game, in part because it doesn't treat you like a moron. There's challenging combat, puzzle variety, a wandering midboss, and very little my-first-video-game support chatter. In retrospect it only reinforces my frustration because they could've made the entire game like that but chose not to. And I find it telling that this section is hidden behind a side quest, they were afraid of putting it on the critical path. I definitely want to keep playing, but I do wish I could turn off the assistance patter.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:i CaNt WaTcH a MoViE aBoUt A bAd PeRsOn i mean there have certainly been periods in my life where i felt this way.
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DF got a direct response from Cerny about new 3D audio features https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-MIABrH_NY&t=1206s
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Aipsh posted:Makes me lmao that people complain about Tlou’s revenge bad message being antithetical to the gameplay, when you murder scores more men in the Uncharted series. Lol
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That's fun murder and not sad murder, ok
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Aipsh posted:Makes me lmao that people complain about Tlou’s revenge bad message being antithetical to the gameplay, when you murder scores more men in the Uncharted series. That’s a fair point but the tone and violence of TLOU is nowhere in the same league as Uncharted. To me that’s like criticizing someone for enjoying Indiana Jones when they found the violence in something like Saving Private Ryan to be too much.
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Uncharted takes place in a world where Adventurer Mercenary is an entire occupation and there's no lore explanation for this or anything, it rocks.
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Rinkles posted:i mean there have certainly been periods in my life where i felt this way. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to interact with a certain kind of media, though your opinion on it can certainly cause criticism if you’re misrepresenting what it’s about in the same breath.
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Gonna hope that we get more US games with an art style this generation with Spider-Verse and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish looking cool. I have no way of connecting these points together besides Overwatch 2 is in the dumpster and there should be something to fill the void it's leaving behind.
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Aug 14, 2023 21:10
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acksplode posted:It felt more like the Blue Ruin of games to me. I need to rewatch that movie 100% Destroyer is another movie that gives me 2LOU vibes
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BigDumper posted:That’s a fair point but the tone and violence of TLOU is nowhere in the same league as Uncharted. To me that’s like criticizing someone for enjoying Indiana Jones when they found the violence in something like Saving Private Ryan to be too much. ludonarrative dissonance vs ludonarrative consonance
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TLOU3 should be about Nathan Drake, now much older and just indiscriminately killing everything in his path with no conscience or consequence, just like in the old days.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:TLOU2 is a misery simulator that's up its own arse too much Nah, Uncharted is boring as poo poo, TLOU2 is a masterpiece. I avoided it for ages because I never rated any of ND’s stuff very highly - the first game included - but Seattle Murderfest ‘38 made a believer out of me. But yeah, those of a fragile disposition best not apply, even though there are some genuinely lovely uplifting moments scattered all throughout.
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The weird thing is I actually stopped playing uncharted because I couldn’t stop laughing to myself that Nathan was such a murderer (also i didnt find it interesting). TLOU 2 though? Yeah you have that ludo-diss, but I’m a big Sicko fan.
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Aug 14, 2023 23:07
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The insane body count is actually what turned me off of uncharted, like where did they find this many dudes
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I've never played an uncharted game. The only ND I've ever played is TLOU
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The media bullied Naughty Dog so hard about ludonarrative dissonance in Uncharted that they reacted by making ludonarrative consonance the game, aka TLOU.
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Anytime I start reading anyone talking about ludonarrative dissonance in depth and why a certain game is worse because of it my eyes roll back mentat style and I find myself immersed deep in my mind palace playing a game of NFL 2K5.
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Aipsh posted:The weird thing is I actually stopped playing uncharted because I couldn’t stop laughing to myself that Nathan was such a murderer (also i didnt find it interesting). TLOU 2 though? Yeah you have that ludo-diss, but I’m a big Sicko fan. Uncharted is dissonant. TLOU/2LOU's gameplay, theme, and character arcs are almost universally consonant. That's the point, that's what disturbs people lol, to the point where they are musing about ye olden days of cotton candy violence.
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People who grouse about ludonarrative dissonance in Uncharted are dorks
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Uh excuse me, I take my Uncharted very seriously, thank you. When I fought the yetis in the second game it was a major spiritual awakening.
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Arist posted:People who grouse about ludonarrative dissonance in Uncharted are dorks Yeah, I agree, but also it was one of those convos that dominated perception of the industry for a solid decade.
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It’s ok to kill lots of people in Uncharted because they’re baddy’s and also it’s not real
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Escobarbarian posted:It’s ok to kill lots of people in Uncharted because they’re baddy’s and also it’s not real
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i lost the ability to bend my thumb at its middle joint so i haven't been playing anything for a little over a month. doctor's don't know what it is yet but it sucks and is kinda scary. anyway i haven't posted here in a while did TLOU2 MP get any updates or are we just talking about naughty dog games just bc? when i replayed the series over the last ~2 years i was def a bit more aware of how there were tons of bad dudes littered everywhere. it makes the game more fun and challenging. it's def not realistic but that's ok.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Sully is my friend and he is REAL I'm sorry to say your friend had a VERY racist past.
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Ever since Crash Bandicoot required shooting Egyptians with a bazooka, you could tell ND was going down a dark path. Even Jak chose violence.
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Saying "I know revenge is bad" is such a reductive take. Firstly because I can't even name one video game where revenge isn't at worst unsatisfying and most the time super awesome. TLOU2's central theme is that revenge is not only bad but will suck in innocents and essentially destroy society in spirit at the very least. And again I'm not seeing any other video game make this point.
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TLOU is one of those pieces of media that are very good for what they are, but I have zero desire to revisit because it's so draining
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Violent video games such as Mario the murdering plumber smooshing poor goombas with his boot
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Thundercracker posted:Saying "I know revenge is bad" is such a reductive take. Firstly because I can't even name one video game where revenge isn't at worst unsatisfying and most the time super awesome. Whenever someone says TLOU2 is just a basic “revenge bad” story and that’s it I immediately assume they are a simpleton
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imo if TLOU/2LOU made you feel a bit ill, GOOD! Pat yourself on the back, go hug a friend, and wash it all down with a bit of Factions. I personally recommend using whatever 'beg for life' executions you can find on the PSN store...especially on friends who won't stop picking the bullshit University level.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Uncharted is dissonant. TLOU/2LOU's gameplay, theme, and character arcs are almost universally consonant. The only ludo consonant violence is Tuesdays at 9pm when Victor Grimes deigns to appear
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When I'm playing TLOU2 it's called fido canine violence
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Thundercracker posted:Saying "I know revenge is bad" is such a reductive take. Firstly because I can't even name one video game where revenge isn't at worst unsatisfying and most the time super awesome. I think I was the one who said “I know revenge is bad”, which is reductive sure. I’m not out here writing a thesis, I haven’t even finished the game. But that point surely can be made without some of the gross violence on display, it just seems excessive to me. But I might have just played it at the wrong time in my life too, 10 years ago I don’t know if any of this would have even bothered me. This whole discussion has been really interesting, thanks to everyone who responded to my first post earlier. I had never heard of the whole ludonarrative dissonance discourse, that’s a really interesting rabbit hole to fall down. I actually will try to pick the game back up in a few days and finish it. I picked up Infinite Warfare a few weeks ago after someone in here recommended it, maybe I should use that as a palette cleanser lol
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Uncharted is dissonant. TLOU/2LOU's gameplay, theme, and character arcs are almost universally consonant. Maybe I’m a big baby, but the goofy violence in like MK is way more graphic and nauseating to me. The ‘Dark Urge’ stuff I heard about BG3 is weird and off putting though im sure it’s not as bad as I imagine it. The squirrel kicking video I saw made my stomach flip.
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BigDumper posted:I picked up Infinite Warfare a few weeks ago after someone in here recommended it, maybe I should use that as a palette cleanser lol Infinite Warfare is really cool, and I say that as a bit of a COD hater. Game is a nice flipside to Titanfall 2.
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ShoogaSlim posted:anyway i haven't posted here in a while did TLOU2 MP get any updates or are we just talking about naughty dog games just bc? The Doctor...Is In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3znw9hWxTY4 BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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haveblue posted:TLOU2 is the downer Oscar-bait drama of video games
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Kilometers Davis posted:Anytime I start reading anyone talking about ludonarrative dissonance in depth and why a certain game is worse because of it my eyes roll back mentat style and I find myself immersed deep in my mind palace playing a game of NFL 2K5. ludonarratively, without CTE that game is a bit lacking
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