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Yeah I transcribed this bit because it's loving disgusting. Steve also mentions that he asked the company about whether they thought it was bought by a rival company, which is very possible.quote:Making matters worse, in conversations with Billet Labs, GamersNexus learned that the company asked for the prototype back on June 28th. This would allow them to send it out to other media or use it for further development. Linus Media Group agreed at least twice to return the product, the first time they agreed was on June 30th. At LTX Linus Media Group put the one of a kind water block up for auction at its Extra Life auction event, without the permission of Billet Labs. Billet did not learn of this until about August 11th, at which point it was told the block is gone. Again this is despite LMG agreeing in late June to send it back as LMG would have no further use for the block. Billet told us it is now stalled, as it no longer has its best prototype available for continued development. Its also missing one of its GPUs.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:44
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Does Gamers Nexus run reviews sponsored by the manufacturer of the exact thing that they are reviewing? I'll never understand why many YouTube channels like LTT do that if they want to be seen as anything beyond influencers for hire.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:45
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The seemingly endless listing of fuckups isn't even exhaustive, there's like 30 minutes of just going over incredibly egregious incompetence and it's like from within the past month, jfc
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natlampe posted:Does Gamers Nexus run reviews sponsored by the manufacturer of the exact thing that they are reviewing? pretty sure GN occasionally does, but not on the actual video review of the thing in question.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:50
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I love mad Steve... when he shoots he does not miss
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natlampe posted:Does Gamers Nexus run reviews sponsored by the manufacturer of the exact thing that they are reviewing? No, there's a whole video from the Extras channel about their advertiser policies and there's a text version on their site as well. I don't think "we only allow advertising to products we've reviewed positively" is as ironclad as they think it is, but GN have earned more benefit of the doubt than other channels. quote:For advertisements, we test or use every product that is up for a potential ad. Typically, we identify which products we liked in the review process and then contact those companies to ask if they’re interested in ads. This is backwards from what’s typical: We like to review the products, then if we thought they were good or performed well, we go talk to the manufacturer and tell them we think it’d advertise well since it’s something we can actually recommend. This allows us to fully get through our thought process and analysis prior to selling an ad, which is ideal as it fully eliminates monetary influence. In instances where we have already sold a campaign and the advertiser informs us of a new product it wishes to advertise, we ask them to send us evaluation units. We then internally test the product. If it wasn’t going to be reviewed anyway, we at least run it through some of our standard review processes to see if it’d hit a baseline requirement of quality. If it does, we run it. If it doesn’t, we tell the advertiser to pick something else and then repeat the process. We regularly turn down products from our ads pool for failing to meet our standards.
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Aug 14, 2023 19:53
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lmfao i thought the lmg testing stuff was gonna be bad but i didn't expect life ruining recklessness
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jeez some of these linus quotes
i don't watch their channels so idk how typical of him this is also this is hosed up: njsykora posted:Yeah I transcribed this bit because it's loving disgusting. Steve also mentions that he asked the company about whether they thought it was bought by a rival company, which is very possible.
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Aug 14, 2023 20:01
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I just got through the part about the copper billet labs cooler… so sad that my suspicions of Linus being a total sleaze are confirmed
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Rinkles posted:jeez some of these linus quotes yeah, its obvious Linus has major small business owner brain and he thinks about everything in employee pay hours. Its a dangerous way to think because he'll just nickel and dime his company to death, even when they've got an apparent infinite amount of money to spend on testing hardware they don't know how to use.
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Voxx posted:lmfao i thought the lmg testing stuff was gonna be bad but i didn't expect life ruining recklessness yeah, fast/loose/low quality testing is one thing (though the extent/frequency of the errors is pretty obviously egregious), but trashing a prototype product entirely on the basis of mis/unintended use and then auctioning that prototype off is on another level entirely
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:The seemingly endless listing of fuckups isn't even exhaustive, there's like 30 minutes of just going over incredibly egregious incompetence and it's like from within the past month, jfc there's a mention of a second possible video about issues with lmg ties to companies in categories they're reviewing (linus' framework investment, the labs guy having ties to stuff, same for the new ceo) and steve is very clearly holding some poo poo back. this is gonna get even more hot before it goes anywhere.
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I did notice that post-backpack incident Linus basically stopped mentioning Steve or gn at all when referencing other people in the industry
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remember you can toggle transcripts if you're going to copypaste from other parts of the video, too
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Aug 14, 2023 20:16
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i expect the billet labs guys were fans and saw a good opportunity to work with linus. they send the prototype, hear nothing back, and the bad video goes up and they don't get their prototype back. linus goes out of his way to call it a garbage gimmick product later when asked about the quality of the video absolutely insane for any business to do let alone one that has over a hundred employees
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kliras posted:remember you can toggle transcripts if you're going to copypaste from other parts of the video, too when njsykora posted that, it wasn't up yet (and no CC).
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I am erect for Linus to come out swinging like a punch drunk bum on this.
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Charles Leclerc posted:I am erect for Linus to come out swinging like a punch drunk bum on this. The response will be interesting. I doubt we'll get the responsible and safe response of "We can be better and we will be better going forward."
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Yeah this was basically a direct attack on the very structure and operation of the company (focused on the people at the top while making clear how the rank and file clearly want to actually produce good videos) and mostly the thing they've spent the last few years hyping up as the second coming of in-depth product testing. Seeing the mouse company bring up the findings of RTINGS is another fun thing when you think of LTT Labs. They're clearly not as thorough as GN at PC stuff, and likely also won't be able to even come close to RTINGS when it comes to more general products so the question of what's the point of a broad tester that isn't as good as either of the 2 big well known more focused companies. Unless they're entirely relying on building a reputation through fandom and brand strength.
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Arivia posted:there's a mention of a second possible video about issues with lmg ties to companies in categories they're reviewing (linus' framework investment, the labs guy having ties to stuff, same for the new ceo) and steve is very clearly holding some poo poo back. this is gonna get even more hot before it goes anywhere. i continue to appreciate steve's handling of things like this. he's clearly really upset, a big part being the 'personal' relations stuff on how lmg is abusing their position. he wants linus to do better, both personally and professionally; it's a good stance, one that people should have. but he knows linus is pushing a real bad line and getting more people caught in the crossfire of his business, so the heavy hands are coming out lol omg drama
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YouTube clearly wanted me to watch this video since it recommended it on the top - I guess it's doing numbers. Good. I think LMG is going to handle this badly, unfortunately.
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Vir posted:YouTube clearly wanted me to watch this video since it recommended it on the top - I guess it's doing numbers. Good. the algorithm loves drama
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Voxx posted:i continue to appreciate steve's handling of things like this. he's clearly really upset, a big part being the 'personal' relations stuff on how lmg is abusing their position. he wants linus to do better, both personally and professionally; it's a good stance, one that people should have. but he knows linus is pushing a real bad line and getting more people caught in the crossfire of his business, so the heavy hands are coming out that clip at the beginning of linus basically saying "you shouldn't be so mean to people who are your friends" is loving despicable
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Rinkles posted:the algorithm loves drama I still remember when video replies were a thing, and still wasn't a spam box. I wish that was still a thing.
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Vir posted:I think LMG is going to handle this badly, fortunately ftfy
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The asterisks in LTT videos have been annoying of late. Like, loving correct it or cut it.
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njsykora posted:Unless they're entirely relying on building a reputation through fandom and brand strength. It’s 100% this OP
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njsykora posted:Yeah I transcribed this bit because it's loving disgusting. Steve also mentions that he asked the company about whether they thought it was bought by a rival company, which is very possible. That's bloody awful.  Anyone else think LMG will end up like Artesian Computers, Linus i giving me those vibes.
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Charles Leclerc posted:The asterisks in LTT videos have been annoying of late. Like, loving correct it or cut it. I'm glad that was mentioned, it's been a problem on LTT and ShortCircuit videos for a while now and has always irked me. I'm actually amazed they even fix mistakes in post given how much content they need to push out week after week.
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Just Another Lurker posted:That's bloody awful.
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I wonder if Linus saw this coming and tried to head it off by not being in charge of his own company anymore having the other guy he used to work with as a fall guy.
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Luke does not look happy but he has bills to pay.
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The spin will be great. I don't watch a ton of hardware review channels, but I do like GN and their reviews. I hope that small waterblock company sues LTT for that absolute slimeball treatment. What a bunch of poo poo, assuming it's as has been reported.
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LMG has assets to take in a judgment, but civil lawsuits are expensive - even in Canada. A small startup may have problems funding a lawsuit.
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Yeah if you're a small startup going up against a media org valued in the tens of millions of dollars, that's not a legal fight you can realistically take.
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If your case is really slam-dunk you might find a legal firm who will take the case for a percentage of the judgement, or investors who will fund the lawsuit as if it's a business venture, but in this case it would also be hard to find the proper size of the judgement. Is it going to be the cost of manufacturing the prototype, or is it going to be the theoretical earnings that would happen? Yeah, I don't see it happening.
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Rinkles posted:Did LTT apologize at least? Not yet?
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