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HootTheOwl posted:I want the thread to answer honestly, and it's ok if you didn't but before Saturday, who had heard of the term "air yards" before? I had. Seems pretty self explanatory, it's the opposite of YAC.
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HootTheOwl posted:I want the thread to answer honestly, and it's ok if you didn't but before Saturday, who had heard of the term "air yards" before? Yes of course.
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A bunch of liars could have gone all day saying nothing and not exposing yourselves. lmao.
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HootTheOwl posted:I want the thread to answer honestly, and it's ok if you didn't but before Saturday, who had heard of the term "air yards" before? It comes up now and then when talking about guys like Tua or Mahomes. There was even a stat recently about how Mahomes' air yards per TD pass drastically dropped each year of his career as more and more teams tried to go prevent on him. edit- this one: https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1676241393528733700 I've also seen it come up with guys like Carr, late stage Brees, and Pennington.
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If your QB has a lot of YAC, he's a checkdown merchant game manager system talentless schlub, if your QB has a lot of air yards, he's an unsustainable selfish reckless tryhard Grossman wannabe moron who throws a ton of picks and puts his defense in horrible positions. If my QB has a lot of YAC, he's decisive and mechanical, an expert reader and exploiter of defenses and if he has a lot of air yards, he's a courageous gunslinger who knows how to win.
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HootTheOwl posted:A bunch of liars could have gone all day saying nothing and not exposing yourselves. lmao. Unironically, air yards was a topic that came up with Goff semi-frequently last year. Because he didn't have a lot of them until later in the year.
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Air yards is another nerd stat designed to lead us from the only true QB Metric. ~*Wins*~
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HootTheOwl posted:I want the thread to answer honestly, and it's ok if you didn't but before Saturday, who had heard of the term "air yards" before? Yeah, Air Yards is a pretty common thing that people look at once you like step even a little bit into looking into "advanced" football stats for QB's.
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I love that tweet whenever posted - it really fills in with the additional tweet https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1676690084072923138?s=46&t=j30tBumVMG7Ob8ZnEVW5qw Id have never expected Geno or Carr to be so drat high. Impressive as hell! Edit Fields too. Man Ive liked fields so much since the pre draft process and somehow I think even then I underestimated his potential. Fun to watch him grow.
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Amy Pole Her posted:I love that tweet whenever posted - it really fills in with the additional tweet At this point, my love for Fields has become a bit. But his pre draft evaluation never made sense to me. The fact that he didn't go second overall is the dumbest thing ever and I am grateful teams are dumb. EDIT: and air yards have been bandied about fantasy football and advanced football stats conversations for the greater part of a decade. Sataere fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Aug 14, 2023 |
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Amy Pole Her posted:I love that tweet whenever posted - it really fills in with the additional tweet Mahomes is basically Sam Bradford
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His flaws were real, He never had to like ever do quick short game stuff in college(weird playing with Olave/JSN/Wilson means if you are athletic enough to stay clean, one of those dudes will eventually get open deep for bombs) But yeah he was pretty clearly the second best QB in that draft.
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Dexo posted:His flaws were real, He never had to like ever do quick short game stuff in college(weird playing with Olave/JSN/Wilson means if you are athletic enough to stay clean, one of those dudes will eventually get open deep for bombs) The other guys has more flaws is the problem.
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MJeff posted:If your QB has a lot of YAC, he's a checkdown merchant game manager system talentless schlub, if your QB has a lot of air yards, he's an unsustainable selfish reckless tryhard Grossman wannabe moron who throws a ton of picks and puts his defense in horrible positions. 
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Dexo posted:His flaws were real, He never had to like ever do quick short game stuff in college(weird playing with Olave/JSN/Wilson means if you are athletic enough to stay clean, one of those dudes will eventually get open deep for bombs) From my complete meatball perspective, I wanted him the minute he came back in after that brutal hit in the Clemson game and torched their defense yet again. I knew he'd never have bullshit questions about 'toughness' from fans/media with that to point to
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PFF grades are good and not at all made-up nonsense today: https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1691125026282704896
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They are fake, but he also looked good against the scrubs.
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quote:https://twitter.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1691135212787322880 Packers have a weird situation where we have too many corners, especially when Stokes is back from injury. I could see moving Rasul Douglas to safety in place of Darnell Savage to open up a corner spot. Douglas seems like he's best at being a ball hawk anyway. It's so weird for me personally because I was the only poster in the draft thread to notice that guy, and then the Packers went to draft him, and then he's apparently actually good?! SKULL.GIF posted:"Carrington Valentine" is a Resident Evil villain name SKULL.GIF posted:
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tinstaach posted:PFF grades are good and not at all made-up nonsense today: Yess I'm glad pff grades went from LOSERS WHO DONT KNOW BALL MAKING UP FAKE NUMBERS to real ball heads getting Tha Best Players Under The Microscope And Rewarding Their Great Skill !! I get that jack campbell was a reach based on positional scarcity and all but it has been a long time since Detroit's had a good mlb
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Dejan Bimble posted:Yess I'm glad pff grades went from LOSERS WHO DONT KNOW BALL MAKING UP FAKE NUMBERS to real ball heads getting Tha Best Players Under The Microscope And Rewarding Their Great Skill !! People who think Campbell is a reach because he's an inside linebacker are dumb and wrong. He was an elite prospect at his position and filled a manir need for the Lions.
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I dont quite understand how pff works or what pff stands for. I saw an article on some of the pff scores for some of the bears in the first game. Fields had a 60 somethin. Do they start at a specific number and then add and subtract from there? Was fields number lower because of the limited snaps?
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ZombieCrew posted:I dont quite understand how pff works or what pff stands for. I saw an article on some of the pff scores for some of the bears in the first game. Fields had a 60 somethin. Do they start at a specific number and then add and subtract from there? Was fields number lower because of the limited snaps? It was probably lower because 90% of his yards and touchdowns were YAC plays.
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He said it’s temporary, once cuts happen and other numbers are available he plans to switch it before the season starts.
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ZombieCrew posted:I dont quite understand how pff works or what pff stands for. I saw an article on some of the pff scores for some of the bears in the first game. Fields had a 60 somethin. Do they start at a specific number and then add and subtract from there? Was fields number lower because of the limited snaps? if your guy's number is low it's made up bullshit, if your guy's number is high it's cool and wise, simple as
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tinstaach posted:if your guy's number is low it's made up bullshit, if your guy's number is high it's cool and wise, simple as But 50 is neither low nor high it does not make sense
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ZombieCrew posted:I dont quite understand how pff works or what pff stands for. It's the noise that I make whenever someone tries to talk to me about their statistics.
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PFF is largely fine for what it is. Which is people looking at plays and players play without the context of knowing specifically what is being called and what responsibilities are. Their individual grades are whatever without said context. Most of the stats they track which aren't tied to guessing what a player's role was supposed to be is pretty useful for a deeper analysis of players. The people who work there are real self important about their precious grades tho lol.
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The only PFF I care about is Personal Football Fortitude. Gotta have the will to win, the killer instinct, a bit of a mean streak, that competitive toughness you just can't measure with stats.
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Realistically PFF is just used when it backs up whatever you already believe but now there is a shiny number backing you up
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Ok well, I appreciate all the responses. I didnt care much about pff before and now i think ill ignore it. Unless, of course, it backs up my side some inane argument. Then its the most important stat ever.
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I love to see a completely incoherent graph posted where the X axis is like XPFadj and the Y axis is like 1 3 5 14.
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The only stat that's useful is the GotThatDawgInHim index.
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R.D. Mangles posted:I love to see a completely incoherent graph posted where the X axis is like XPFadj and the Y axis is like 1 3 5 14. What if it tells you Trevor Simien is the most tunder appreciated QB in the league.
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It isn't just PFF that is garbage for advanced stats. Advanced stats in general are questionable for football. It is hard to isolate who is successful and who isn't in a sport that relies heavily on what the components around it are doing.
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