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Lister posted:Ok, I'll break it down for you. One context is asking them what they want changed. The other context is saying that the stated concerns are proof that employees are being pushed to release content despite concerns about data or data collection. But it's not proof. It's an assumption GN is making based on a question it didn't ask and with answers it doesn't fully have. The most common critique was not "time pressure is leading to struggles with producing quality content." It was just generally saying they wish they had more time to work on videos or to release fewer videos. One person mentioned increasing quality.
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Lister posted:Ok, I'll break it down for you. One context is asking them what they want changed. The other context is saying that the stated concerns are proof that employees are being pushed to release content despite concerns about data or data collection. But it's not proof. It's an assumption GN is making based on a question it didn't ask and with answers it doesn't fully have. The most common critique was not "time pressure is leading to struggles with producing quality content." It was just generally saying they wish they had more time to work on videos or to release fewer videos. One person mentioned increasing quality. you have a head injury
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Josh Lyman posted:Definitely Gentoo. I can't believe a generation of nerds were duped into compiling our own distros circa 2001. This has reawakened a trauma deep within me I had long forgotten.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:you have a head injury
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slidebite posted:[vancouver_memorylane_hijack] Canada Way whereabouts? Despite living in the lower mainland for nigh on 20 years there are still some areas where i have yet to have gone and possibly that's one of them. I'm glad I don't know of it because I'd probably buy an amiga 500/600/1200 for too much if they had one and then never use it lol
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priznat posted:Canada Way whereabouts? Despite living in the lower mainland for nigh on 20 years there are still some areas where i have yet to have gone and possibly that's one of them. I'm also curious as to whether or not it's still around, since my office is on Canada Way and my apartment still has plenty of room for 40 year old computers...
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priznat posted:Canada Way whereabouts? Despite living in the lower mainland for nigh on 20 years there are still some areas where i have yet to have gone and possibly that's one of them. They didn't have any Amiga poo poo IIRC (I would have totally gone broke) but they were absolutely littered with old XT/AT stuff from mid 80s on. Very little non "IBM" clone... but I do think I remember seeing the odd 8-bit and Atari ST item. I'm going to have to do a Google street view to try and find where it was. I was last in there around 1998ish.
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slidebite posted:Oh god, no I just realized, Grandview Highway, not Canada way. Somewhere between the Superstore and Naniamo if I had to guess. Oh that stretch I know pretty good, but it doesn't ring a bell. The area is probably not very much changed apart from the skytrain, it's still all retail along there.. Appliances and furniture and pet stores etc. But I don't recall seeing a sign for that, it is something that would have pinged my brain for sure!
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whatis posted:despite the more than 100 employees and his self-imposed CVO demotion, linus still thinks he is LMG and that LMG is him. the lack of separation between himself and this massive entity he's created has caused him issues for years and its just getting worse. I work in an industry where virtually every major business is named "Founding Partners' Last Names", but my company's name is just "Object". Nearly every quarterly all hands meeting we do, the managing partner says "the reason the founder named it Object and not his last name is because he wanted to build an organization that would outlive him". It's cheesy, but looking at a company like LMG, it's clear there's a kernel of truth there.
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Josh Lyman posted:Why does anyone want more time to do anything? Obviously it's quality, this isn't rocket science. The thing is, believing it's possible they're actually not talking about wanting the time to be more thorough is actually far more damning than the way Steve is framing it. He's presenting their comments as further evidence that time pressure is the main factor in leading to, as he says, 'nearly every video' containing significant errors. And again - further evidence. It's one thing to truly take the comments 'out of context' is if your video is wholly making the thesis that there is rot at LMG due to overwork and using those video snippets as the only evidence, but he doesn't - there's 30 minutes if rapid-fire fuckups of their own content. Framing those comments as just additional backing of your argument that this incompetence is due to pressure is actually the most generous framing possible when the evidence is this overwhelming, it's saying this is due to work practices that can be changed, rather (than what I largely believe) due to the general attitude of the founder just not giving a poo poo. So, you believe they just want more time to goof around more in videos, fine. Then you're effectively saying they're incapable of recognizing substandard content. Ok?
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Euphoriaphone posted:I work in an industry where virtually every major business is named "Founding Partners' Last Names", but my company's name is just "Object". Nearly every quarterly all hands meeting we do, the managing partner says "the reason the founder named it Object and not his last name is because he wanted to build an organization that would outlive him". It's cheesy, but looking at a company like LMG, it's clear there's a kernel of truth there. Well he's a youtuber that built the thing around his personality. There's a fun story Dan (his podcast producer) loves, which iirc has Linus showing a gaming area with the LTT logo prominently displayed to his employees. And he says something about LTT being about them. Somebody asks "Yeah? What does the L stands for?" and somebody else quips "It's L for Narcissist" And let's not sell Linus short here, he does sell the channel pretty hard which is a big problem now that it's a big company doing much more than show his mug.
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Vic posted:Well he's a youtuber that built the thing around his personality. There's a fun story Dan (his podcast producer) loves, which iirc has Linus showing a gaming area with the LTT logo prominently displayed to his employees. And he says something about LTT being about them. Somebody asks "Yeah? What does the L stands for?" and somebody else quips "It's L for Narcissist" it's a good clip: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxLz12zfzUlM_owzzGoRU2DqKnYP8sg4Oy
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Charles Leclerc posted:This has reawakened a trauma deep within me I had long forgotten. Hey! I still use gentoo as my daily OS. There are dozens of us.
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The Grumbles posted:I think it's pretty safe to say that the LTT community itself is by and large upset at this point. I just dipped into their forum out of curiosity and the first thing I read in the thread about the controversy was someone comparing this situation to a school shooting or terrorist attack. I can't even tell which side that poster was on, but either way its bad vibes at casa Linus At least half of the posts I've subjected myself to on the LTT Forums are critical of Linus and LTT. Even the people trying to defend him pretty much all agree that the Billet labs thing was incredibly lovely. Also they've lost something like 3000 paid subscriptions since GN posted their first video. Even if you assume that's the old $5/month pricing, that's at least $15k in monthly revenue gone literally overnight.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:you have a head injury Someone saying "I wish we had more time to make videos" in a fluff video about working at LMG can mean something. Maybe it means that person just works to work slower instead of always having to work on a constant variety of projects. Maybe it means the extra time could be used to reflect on the work that was done and consider ways to make videos better. Maybe this person just feels like the pace is stressful. But putting that quote in a different video that makes the claim that LMG making significant mistakes from overwork, assumes what it specifically means because it was recontextualized. Journalists shouldn't assume what a quote means if there's any room for ambiguity. They should ask the people saying them what they meant. If you don't get that then I don't know how else to explain it. The Grumbles posted:Please stop. The job of a journalist isn't to represent 'both sides' of a story, it's to represent the truth. Not every story needs to be presented as some weird partisan thing. Journalists often approach subjects of stories for comment either because it is a story about something that the subject has not yet acknowledged (e.g. Lizzo being approached for comment on otherwise unsubstantiated claims of abuse from her dancers, after the news broke but prior to her making an official statement), in part so that they don't get sued (e.g. strict libel laws in the UK) or to maintain a sense of a right to reply on accusations , not as a way to better represent some weird version of objective reality that involves a story with two sides - in this case its pretty arguable that GN are presenting facts which are all completely in the public domain and which have all been already broadcast or published by LTT themselves. I agree. The job of a journalist is to represent the truth. It's the truth that LTT has made some big mistakes and mistakes are consistent. The problem I have is that GN is stating it's definitely from making too many videos too quickly. There could be other problems inside the organization that's leading to these errors. The best people that would know that or not are the people who work there. GN didn't get a quote from anybody who works there, even anonymously. I think that's a major blind spot in their reporting here.
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The Grumbles posted:I think it's pretty safe to say that the LTT community itself is by and large upset at this point. I just dipped into their forum out of curiosity and the first thing I read in the thread about the controversy was someone comparing this situation to a school shooting or terrorist attack. I can't even tell which side that poster was on, but either way its bad vibes at casa Linus the ltt reddit is savaging him. I checked so you don’t have to
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Icept posted:Funniest move would have been for GN to reach out for comment from LMG, but done from some incognito identity like when they review pre-built PCs from Walmart. Beve Sturcke finally returns.
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Subjunctive posted:the ltt reddit is savaging him. I checked so you don’t have to thank you for your service 
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Branch Nvidian posted:Beve Sturcke finally returns. in our hour of greatest need
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Lister posted:Someone saying "I wish we had more time to make videos" in a fluff video about working at LMG can mean something. LOL, if you willingly produce and publish a "fluff video" about what's it's like to work at your company and there is universal agreement from your employees that they're overworked, they think you're making poor quality content, and they can't be proud of the content you put out. Imagine what an actual critique of the workplace would look like if that was the fluff.
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Lister posted:The best people that would know that or not are the people who work there. GN didn't get a quote from anybody who works there, even anonymously. I think that's a major blind spot in their reporting here. The GN video is literally full of their own words. An "anonymous" interview from some no-name staffer would be less legit that what they actually did. slidebite fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 16, 2023 |
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Lister posted:I agree. The job of a journalist is to represent the truth. It's the truth that LTT has made some big mistakes and mistakes are consistent. The problem I have is that GN is stating it's definitely from making too many videos too quickly. There could be other problems inside the organization that's leading to these errors. The best people that would know that or not are the people who work there. GN didn't get a quote from anybody who works there, even anonymously. I think that's a major blind spot in their reporting here. Considering half of Linus’ videos have a half a dozen addendums because they hosed up proofing/testing but couldn’t be stuffed (read: had no time) to edit the content/retest the hardware, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out they’re making GBS threads out videos too quickly. Amending a slide isn’t just changing a word in a PowerPoint slide. LMG sticking 5 asterixis in a single graph slide is an admission that the time savings from not fixing their graph properly is worth more than actually doing a proper job.
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Lister posted:I agree. The job of a journalist is to represent the truth. It's the truth that LTT has made some big mistakes and mistakes are consistent. The problem I have is that GN is stating it's definitely from making too many videos too quickly. There could be other problems inside the organization that's leading to these errors. The best people that would know that or not are the people who work there. GN didn't get a quote from anybody who works there, even anonymously. I think that's a major blind spot in their reporting here. All of those potential internal problems are more damning than the theorized cause, which draws on a bunch of publicly available supporting evidence (and isn't actually Steve taking a strong position re: the The One True Explanation For Why LTT Keeps loving Up The Numbers) - it's also not really something that GN would have needed to seek comment about because, again, it's all based on repeated public statements, and if LTT wanted to attribute the high error rate to some other internal issue while keeping up the current pace of production they could easily do so using their own communication channels, nor would anyone reasonable think a large corporation would be inclined to honestly share the gory details of their internal process issues just because a news outlet asked (quite the reverse in fact) it's genuinely hilarious that you're treating this as GN doing them dirty when in fact GN teed them up a ridiculously easy (and non-personally adversarial) PR response as an organization (at least if, y'know, the owner hadn't seemingly taken the broad and well supported organizational criticism personally and deflected attention to a second issue where he was immediately caught in a lie) LGD fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Aug 16, 2023 |
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Lister posted:The problem I have is that GN is stating it's definitely from making too many videos too quickly. There could be other problems inside the organization that's leading to these errors. The best people that would know that or not are the people who work there. GN didn't get a quote from anybody who works there, even anonymously. I think that's a major blind spot in their reporting here. aside from all the other things others have pointed out are wrong with this... In any walk of life, doing things in a hurry always leads to heightened risk of mistakes. But here, even though you try to pretend otherwise, GN is not reporting from fifty thousand feet. This is right in their wheelhouse! They are domain experts. When GN says perpetual time crunch is a great way to make lots of mistakes in technical review content, and maybe LTT should consider following their own employees' feedback on that if they actually want to do better, GN isn't just throwing darts at a wall. you seem to be a very obtuse person, more of a rimmer than a lister if I'm being brutally honest
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