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Xiahou Dun posted:On Georgia State law? In a 6—3 decision... Not going to happen, but remember we are talking Calvin ball rules with this court.
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Seph posted:The added cherry on top is that SCOTUS has no jurisdiction over Georgia state crimes.
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Aug 16, 2023 00:58
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:The crises would be if, say, GA convicted him and then Florida (or whatever state) refused to extradite. Maybe, that would be a federal question I guess. Though it should be a slam dunk for forcing them to extradite unless the state in question has a political policy of encouraging voter fraud and RICO violations. This SCOTUS hasn't really shown a special willingness to go to bat for Trump so I really doubt they'll cover for him.
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Aug 16, 2023 01:08
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Crows Turn Off posted:I mean, if they wanted to, couldn't SCOTUS decide that they do in fact have jurisdiction? What would stop them? The other two houses presumably. Worcester v. Georgia is pretty misunderstood in the popular idea of it, but if SCOTUS wanted to open up that can of worms by asking federal marshals to enforce their decision I'd think both the Legislative and the Executive would have plenty to say about it. lol that the next crisis over the powers of the Supreme Court could *also* center around Georgia though. Pylons fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Aug 16, 2023 |
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Crows Turn Off posted:I mean, if they wanted to, couldn't SCOTUS decide that they do in fact have jurisdiction? What would stop them? Precedent and norms mostly. You'd have a constitutional crisis of epic proportions because the state would almost certainly tell the court to get hosed.
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Pylons posted:The other two houses presumably. Worcester v. Georgia is pretty misunderstood in the popular idea of it, but if SCOTUS wanted to open up that can of worms by asking federal marshals to enforce their decision I'd think both the Legislative and the Executive would have plenty to say about it. lol that the next crisis over the powers of the supreme court could *also* center around Georgia though. this is where all hypotheticals involving "what if the supreme court does [insane, unprecedented thing]" end up. it's a bit of a dead end discussion-wise because once you hit that scale of full-blown constitutional crisis it's anyone's guess what happens and there's not really much to go off of other than "poo poo will be hosed, i hope we win." i would say, however, in a constitutional crisis, controlling the executive branch and the senate ain't bad and is a hell of a lot better than not controlling the executive and the senate
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Personally I believe that Roberts isn't dumb enough to take a case that would put the Judicial branch on a course for direct conflict with the Executive branch (especially for Trump of all people) but yeah, on the off-chance it happens we're officially in uncharted waters.
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Aug 16, 2023 01:34
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Say Georgia DOES find him guilty and Florida DOES refuse to extradite him. How does that get resolved without it becoming entangled in the federal courts?
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GlyphGryph posted:Say Georgia DOES find him guilty and Florida DOES refuse to extradite him. It doesn't. Resolving issues between the states is one of the express functions of the federal government.
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He's meant to show up for his arraignment next Friday and there's no chance he's making bond under the normal guidelines Georgia follows so uh, we're gonna find that out pretty loving quick, comparatively.Georgia Guidelines for making bond posted:1. Poses no significant risk of fleeing from the jurisdiction of the court or failing to appear in court when required;
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Aug 16, 2023 02:01
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Pylons posted:He's meant to show up for his arraignment next Friday and there's no chance he's making bond under the normal guidelines Georgia follows so uh, we're gonna find that out pretty loving quick, comparatively. This is all an interesting topic I hadn't considered. If Florida refuses to extradite, who is representing the decision of "Florida" in the matter? DeSantis?
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Aug 16, 2023 02:06
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Scags McDouglas posted:This is all an interesting topic I hadn't considered. If Florida refuses to extradite, who is representing the decision of "Florida" in the matter? DeSantis? The attorney general of Florida and their staff would represent the State of Florida in federal court.
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DeSantis going to the mat for a Trump who has been found guilty and who is stuck unable to campaign in Florida seems like an ideal situation for him, too. You know Trump would prefer that over prison as well. If he gets off on the federal charges but found guilty on the state charges prior to the election, I honestly struggle to see an outcome where that doesn't happen.
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Aug 16, 2023 02:21
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I don't know why DeSantis wouldn't be love to have his primary political opponent locked up in a Georgia jail awaiting trial and unable to campaign though?
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don't know why DeSantis wouldn't be love to have his primary political opponent locked up in a Georgia jail awaiting trial and unable to campaign though? Courting the desperately needed Trump supporters while ever so gently kiiinda running against him really has the balance upset if he helps jail Trump. Just a complete destruction in the primaries with no help for salvation. IMO of course.
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Aug 16, 2023 02:26
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don't know why DeSantis wouldn't be love to have his primary political opponent locked up in a Georgia jail awaiting trial and unable to campaign though?
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Also I live in FL and I would hit my life's high watermark permanently if I was part of the crew to go get him and bring him to Georgia. Maybe there's time to apply as a Palm Beach officer.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don't know why DeSantis wouldn't be love to have his primary political opponent locked up in a Georgia jail awaiting trial and unable to campaign though? If he was literally anyone else, that would be ideal. But he's the governor of Florida, and allowing Trump to be extradited will guarantee the Trumpists (directed by Trump himself in all likelihood) turn on him and cast him as part of the "deep state", a traitor. If he defends Trump, however, he'll be a hero, standing against tyranny - and Trump being convicted and stuck in Maralargo doesn't seem any worse for him. He may *personally* want Trump in jail, anyone else in the primary benefits from Trump being in jail, but DeSantis himself? If that happens when he could have prevented with it a big dramatic showdown, he's toast. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Aug 16, 2023 |
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I mean, even if we assume... - GA is going to put Trump in prison - Trump is in FL - FL refuses to turn Trump over ...you still have to consider that Trump can't leave Florida to any place that would ship him off. He's stuck there. I'd imagine it's kind of hard to campaign from a single state.
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GlyphGryph posted:If he was literally anyone else, that would be ideal. But he's the governor of Florida, and allowing Trump to be extradited will guarantee the Trumpists (directed by Trump himself in all likelihood) turn on him and cast him as part of the "deep state", a traitor. If he defends Trump, however, he'll be a hero, standing against tyranny. The most DeSantis thing to do would be to make a grand public statement against extradition, get immediately overruled by the courts (because this is settled case law) and wipe his hands of the whole matter.
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So the GEORGIA case mentions other states he was trying to do the same thing in. Why aren’t we hearing investigations there?
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Pillowpants posted:So the GEORGIA case mentions other states he was trying to do the same thing in. Georgia has a ridiculously permissive RICO statute and the only other state they stole voter data in was Colorado, which Trump didn't try to swing. Those are two unique things that might be determinative, but also there are certainly going to be intangible factors like will and public sentiment.
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Pillowpants posted:So the GEORGIA case mentions other states he was trying to do the same thing in. Michigan indicted a bunch of the fake electors a few weeks ago. I don't know what they're doing elsewhere.
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are we finally going to get that sweet Trump mugshot sometime in the next ten days?
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Zamujasa posted:I mean, even if we assume... He'd probably only go to places he knew wouldn't extradite him, like Henry Kissinger. or he could just run from his home state like rutherford b hayes.
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alf_pogs posted:are we finally going to get that sweet Trump mugshot sometime in the next ten days? The sheriff yesterday said they'd do a normal mugshot, no special treatment. But also  .
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I think being a fugitive probably violates his pretrial release conditions in both federal cases. The feds don't care if Florida extradites.
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a bunch of armed chuds will surround maralargo. trump will be too scared to come out, florida will be too scared to make them leave. either trump is trapped full time by his fans and the ring of feds right outside it or the shooting starts.
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The "surround the place and only allow disdos, lube, and sugar free gummi bears to get through the checkpoints" worked pretty well at the last chud occupation.
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InsertPotPun posted:a bunch of armed chuds will surround maralargo. trump will be too scared to come out, florida will be too scared to make them leave. either trump is trapped full time by his fans and the ring of feds right outside it or the shooting starts. This is also why, presuming that Trump gets sentenced to any time, I don't expect house arrest. No one wants to deal with the risk of some dumbass militia trying to free the greatest martyr of our lives, and a prison makes that easier to deter.
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cr0y posted:Trying to overthrow the election is not part of the job description of the president's chief of staff, he isn't getting poo poo moved anywhere. Yeah, Meadows is charged with “solicitation of violation of oath of a public officer” as his contribution to the conspiracy and I don’t see how an officer of the government who is himself under oath can claim that such an act is part of his official duties. Anyway, it’s probably good to see the rats trying to get themselves disassociated from Trump makes the main trial easier if a lot of the chaff get spun out into their own trials.
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Killer robot posted:This is also why, presuming that Trump gets sentenced to any time, I don't expect house arrest. No one wants to deal with the risk of some dumbass militia trying to free the greatest martyr of our lives, and a prison makes that easier to deter. Obviously we have to Typhoid Mary his rear end onto an island. It's the only way.
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InsertPotPun posted:a bunch of armed chuds will surround maralargo. trump will be too scared to come out, florida will be too scared to make them leave. either trump is trapped full time by his fans and the ring of feds right outside it or the shooting starts. I doubt it. Only a few have shown up for any of these big events and they’re often outnumbered by the counter protesters and sometimes even just by the media presence. By most accounts they are sitting around telling each other that these things are just honeypots to entrap them. “I’d go defend what I honestly think is the direct subversion of my country and its legitimate president who I follow unquestioningly but, uh, I could get arrested.”
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Murgos posted:I doubt it. Only a few have shown up for any of these big events and they’re often outnumbered by the counter protesters and sometimes even just by the media presence. By most accounts they are sitting around telling each other that these things are just honeypots to entrap them.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Obviously we have to Typhoid Mary his rear end onto an island. It's the only way. That didn’t work out so well last time but I guess as long as we don’t use St. Helena…
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Pillowpants posted:So the GEORGIA case mentions other states he was trying to do the same thing in. Michigan is charging 16 false electors with felonies. I assume they're trying to get some of them to flip on Trump.
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quote:But it took a bruising battle with Twitter’s attorneys in January and February — punctuated by a blistering analysis by a federal judge, who wondered whether Elon Musk was attempting to “cozy up” to the former president by resisting the special counsel’s demands — before prosecutors got the goods. Ok guys I know it's a probably crackpot level conspiracy theory but maybe she's actually on to something.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Obviously we have to Typhoid Mary his rear end onto an island. It's the only way. Didn't John Dean serve his time in a military prison? The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards LOLS. (My apologies to Dr. King)
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Pillowpants posted:So the GEORGIA case mentions other states he was trying to do the same thing in. Pennsylvania's fake electors added a sentence that they were conditional if other electors were disqualified, I forget which other state did this. This is something that was not approved by whoever led the conspiracy. No idea if it keeps them out of trouble.
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