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quote:When Jalil talks about parallel universes I picture two soap bubbles floating through the air. One contains all we know to be real. The other contains an entirely separate set of laws and truths and realities. Interesting metaphor to choose given that soap bubbles typically indicate fragility - I think the "double life" aspect is still foremost in their mind, the wonder of whether or not if they "die" in Everworld they can just say farewell to it and slip back into their real lives, as easily as if one of the bubbles just pops. Fritzler posted:I do like David a lot - for same reasons that April does. He really tries, it is almost inspiring. Agreed, although being a teenage boy with main character syndrome he's blind to how it affects others, not just emotionally but materially i.e. the other three having to go back to the Aztec city to find him when he went after Senna. I know we've seen his flashback about turning a blind eye, out of fear, while another kid got sexually abused at summer camp; IIRC it turns out that this is a repressed/redirected memory and it was David himself who was molested? Although actually the former makes more sense if he's driven by a sense of failure to protect others.
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# ? Aug 6, 2023 04:16 |
quote:Chapter More evidence that no one was really comfortable with Senna before all this happened.
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# ? Aug 8, 2023 03:48 |
Hey all, sorry for the slowness, like I said, housesitting. Things will be back to normal this weekend! I am surprised to see so little conversation about April, although to be fair, not much has happened. quote:
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 02:12 |
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And now we get some actual time with Senna which should help at least give us the questions to ask. I forgot how much I liked April as a narrator, externally she's been holding together a lot better than the others but she's about 5 seconds from completely losing her poo poo. And its interesting that her relationship with Senna is grouped in with this current jaunt to Everworld. Their history has got to be something if the girl who talks about everything with her friends think they'll ostracize her for talking about it.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 02:55 |
oh good, I was hoping we'd learn more about their relationship, because it has to be fuuuuuuuuuucked up. I'm really digging April as a narrator too. David is too much of a sad boy, Christopher is Christopher. Looking forward to learning about Jalil since one poster said they remembered that being weird.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 03:07 |
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I enjoyed the mental reminders to not look at David's chest. A little dash of relatability authors who weren't once teenage girls don't normally know to include.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 06:27 |
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Curious about the geography of Everworld since I think it said the dragon was attacking them while they were still in the jungle, but I'm assuming the Arthurian knights aren't chilling out in that kind of region.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 08:16 |
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Yadoppsi posted:I enjoyed the mental reminders to not look at David's chest. A little dash of relatability authors who weren't once teenage girls don't normally know to include. The writing dynamic that served them well for Animorphs is paying off for Applegate and Grant here too.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 09:23 |
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freebooter posted:Curious about the geography of Everworld since I think it said the dragon was attacking them while they were still in the jungle, but I'm assuming the Arthurian knights aren't chilling out in that kind of region. I got the impression that it was only a couple of days sail from vikingland to aztecland in the first book so I am assuming there is some compressed geography going on.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 16:22 |
Yeah it's Magix, so I assume it's just like a video game where you're suddenly in another biome.
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 22:04 |
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Soonmot posted:Hey all, sorry for the slowness, like I said, housesitting. Things will be back to normal this weekend!
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# ? Aug 11, 2023 22:43 |
/\/\Ha, glad you're hooked!quote:V Okay. So Merlin isn't just a wizard, but a god, here. I wonder what this means to the knights, wasn't Galahad's whole thing the quest for the Grail? Or was that all the knights of the round table? Like I said earlier, I was never interested in Arthurian myth, so I only know what I've absorbed through pop culture.
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# ? Aug 12, 2023 01:32 |
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I think the captain is saying that a god is here in addition to Merlin (probably the thing that has gone wrong and shaken him) e; actually no I'm wrong
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# ? Aug 12, 2023 02:48 |
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Mazerunner posted:I think the captain is saying that a god is here in addition to Merlin (probably the thing that has gone wrong and shaken him) This was my read too.
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# ? Aug 12, 2023 15:52 |
quote:VII I'm glad April and Christopher are asking the same questions as I've been. The Knights of the Round aren't gods, if all it takes is invested human imagination to be in Everworld, and not divinity, than who else is here? Also: wtf Loki is here? With Merlin?!
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# ? Aug 13, 2023 23:24 |
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I mean the random vikings and aztecs aren't gods either. Maybe the Christian God is around somewhere and brought the Knights as his entourage/worshippers or however this works.
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# ? Aug 14, 2023 01:42 |
WrightOfWay posted:I mean the random vikings and aztecs aren't gods either. Maybe the Christian God is around somewhere and brought the Knights as his entourage/worshippers or however this works. Yeah, but they're just people who could have come from earth and been raised in these cultures the gods have created around themselves, assuming the gods didn't have the power to just create the people themselves. The knights are actual named characters from stories, Merlin is an actual named character from a story. And yeah, that could mean that this realm is ruled over by the christian god. I don't know, it's weird and interesting and I'm excited to see that this was something purposefully done by applegrant when they created this story.
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# ? Aug 14, 2023 02:54 |
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The other interesting thing that raises is when, exactly, Everworld was created. I think Aztec and Viking civilisations existed contemporaneously to the King Arthur mythos (or at least, the time period when Arthur was supposed to be around - like 600 AD I think?) but some of the religions we're going to see down the track I'm pretty sure did not.
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# ? Aug 14, 2023 20:03 |
that is a really interesting observation. Any history nerds out there want to date these civilizations?
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# ? Aug 14, 2023 22:23 |
quote:VIII That's some good tension getting ratcheted up in here. Also I'd like to point out that every tie this chapter uses the word “fact” it was transcribed as “feet”. I have no idea how the pdf of these books was made, but I got so many mistakes like that, weird formatting issues, the chapter headers keep changing style. It's weird af and if this is how the animorphs books were like, I have even more respect for Epi having gone through that entire series.
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# ? Aug 14, 2023 22:35 |
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I love this scene because it really is the dinner from hell for pretty much everyone in attendance. And its helping to start tell us some of the rules of Everworld, the fact Loki is at least playing nice here means Merlin, Galahad or whoever's in charge of the Arthurian knights can match him or at least make it too much of a pain to come in hot.
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 03:16 |
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Soonmot posted:that is a really interesting observation. Any history nerds out there want to date these civilizations? Arthur: circa 500 Vikings: 800-1000ish Aztecs: 1400s to early 1500s The viking and aztec religions probably predate those years, but those are generally the rough eras people are thinking of when they refer to vikings and aztecs.
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 15:54 |
That's so weird I think of vikings as older than knights
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 15:59 |
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Soonmot posted:That's so weird I think of vikings as older than knights A lot of Arthurian myth changed over time, or its iconography was updated to use much later technology, religion etc in later depictions. It originally started as a Welsh myth about a king fighting the Saxon invasion and was decidedly non-Christian. Pretty much every pop culture thing people today know about King Arthur was a centuries later addition or revision, with some things (like Lancelot) showing up nearly 500 years after the initial mythos. But yeah, the original 'Arthurian Knights' probably weren't running around with full plate and lances as you might expect. The pop culture idea of knighthood is rooted in a very specific (and late!) era, but the concept of Knights existed for like 1000 years before that.
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 16:10 |
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So the gods are all god-ing around doing their weird stuff, and I kinda take it as granted that they don't "die" like normal mortals since that's usually a thing in fiction. Has there been any indication what happens to mortals when they die gloriously in battle or have their hearts cut out or just get really old or whatever? And how do "mortal maybe not mortal kinda what?" situations like Merlin or Galahad work? Are they mortal? Are they "gods" under the rules of this realm? Do they not age?
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 16:23 |
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Soonmot posted:That's so weird I think of vikings as older than knights If I recall correctly, the modern depictions of Arthur and his knights with full plate mail and such is an anachronism. I don't think full suits of armor like that were really a thing until the 14-1500s. So Vikings are typically older than that aesthetic of knights in that regard. There's a bunch of debate about the historicity of Arthur but if he was real (or at least an amalgamation of various rules/heroes put to legend) he was probably a lot less like the knightly romance idea of knighthood. Probably a lot more tribal chieftainy? Someone correct me if I'm wrong it's been like a decade since I was taking British literature/history. That does make me wonder if Arthur is kicking around Everworld or if he's just dead and we've got the Merlin and Galahad show now. edit: lmao beaten
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 16:25 |
Now that's more interesting to me personally than pop culture Arthur.
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 16:31 |
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Hang on! Vikings... aztecs.... knights... this is just age of empires 2 fanfiction.
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 23:07 |
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More of an Age of Mythology's 2 I think.
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# ? Aug 15, 2023 23:46 |
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Haha yes, with Loki and hints of Egyptians... I hope we get some "rules" of this world established soon. The cherrypicking across one thousand years of history (while everyone speaks contemporary english, and Azetc lands are a short sail away from the icy north) gives everything a very disjointed feel. Like the "gaps" are less about authorial intent and more about the author having a very hazy mental picture of what they're writing about.
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# ? Aug 16, 2023 08:09 |
These were short chapters and I missed yesterday, so here's three of them!quote:IX quote:X These two chapters were not just a solid action scene, we see Merlin in his power AND learn a bit about who and what are in Everworld. Also: Tree Worshippers? quote:
We get Excalibur saving the day as our kids run from the knights of the round table. cute.
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# ? Aug 17, 2023 15:03 |
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Is it "tree worshippers" because this isn't Christianity-influenced Arthurian legend, but original recipe British isles paganism/druidic Merlin?
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# ? Aug 17, 2023 16:46 |
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Merlin casually pulling off some ridiculous magic bullshit and its clear he's only mostly inconveniencing Loki. Also like that we have the stakes and a vague timeline established. Everworld's been around for almost a thousand years which are slightly desynched from Earth time. And Senna seems to be one of or possibly the sole power that can open gates between Earth and Everworld. Also the two sides of what looks to be the major conflict over dealing with Ka Anor. Band together or run the hell away and throw away the key. Because Loki being absolutely poo poo-pants terrified and desperate is interesting and helps recontextualize things a bit. Zore fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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quote:XII This can't end badly at all! quote:
Galahad saves the day again, he is the perfect knight, isn't he?
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# ? Aug 18, 2023 23:45 |
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And no doubt perfect he will remain
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 00:29 |
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I wonder where Lancelot's at. I know Galahad and Lancelot are the most famous one but I vaguely thought Galahad was one of the more junior knights, not a leader? Also Loki's plan interestingly ups the stakes of the series. The whole time now the kids have been sucked into this horrible adventure, and the only impact it has on their "real" lives is the trauma. It doesn't have that immediate hook of having to save the world that gets thrust upon the Animorphs, and if anything makes what's happening to them in Everworld feel less relevant because they half-suspect if they die they might just snap back to the normal world. But if the gods successfully return to our side, that's presumably bad news for Ordinary '90s America, and so it actually jeopardises their real lives and the lives of everyone they care about.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 02:42 |
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Lancelot was a French addition from centuries later, maybe he won't show up at all? Since I think readers of this thread would appreciate it I looked up what sources we have for the 'historical' Arthur and these slim picking are it: A 6th-century monk named Gildas mentions quote:After a time, when the cruel plunderers had gone home, God gave strength to the survivors. Wretched people fled to them from all directions, as eagerly as bees to the beehive when a storm threatens, and begged whole-heartedly, 'burdening heaven with unnumbered prayers', that they should not be altogether destroyed. Their leader was Ambrosius Aurelianus, a gentleman who, perhaps alone of the Romans, had survived the shock of this notable storm: certainly his parents, who had worn the purple, were slain in it. His descendants in our day have become greatly inferior to their grandfather's excellence. Under him our people regained their strength, and challenged the victors to battle. The Lord assented, and the battle went their way. quote:Then it was, that the magnanimous Arthur, with all the kings and military force of Britain, fought against the Saxons. And though there were many more noble than himself, yet he was twelve times chosen their commander, and was as often conqueror. The first battle in which he was engaged, was at the mouth of the river Gleni. The second, third, fourth, and fifth, were on another river, by the Britons called Duglas, in the region Linuis. The sixth, on the river Bassas. The seventh in the wood Celidon, which the Britons call Cat Coit Celidon. The eighth was near Gurnion castle, where Arthur bore the image of the Holy Virgin, mother of God, upon his shoulders, and through the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the holy Mary, put the Saxons to flight, and pursued them the whole day with great slaughter. The ninth was at the City of Legion, which is called Cair Lion. The tenth was on the banks of the river Trat Treuroit. The eleventh was on the mountain Breguoin, which we call Cat Bregion. The twelfth was a most severe contest, when Arthur penetrated to the hill of Badon. In this engagement, nine hundred and forty fell by his hand alone, no one but the Lord affording him assistance. In all these engagements the Britons were successful. For no strength can avail against the will of the Almighty. quote:Year 72 (c. AD 516) The Battle of Badon, in which Arthur carried the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ on his shoulders for three days and three nights and the Britons were victors. quote:He fed black ravens on the rampart of a fortress Thats it. No kingdom of all Briton, no round table, no holy grail, and no Druidic Merlin. Depending on how Nennius is translated Arthur may not have been the commander but just a particularly powerful warrior.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 04:52 |
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Lets Read Everworld- The com wouldn't bum.
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# ? Aug 19, 2023 09:14 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 08:06 |
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This last bit does answer why Arthur isn't the one running the show like the normal cultural legends would have someone expect. I still wanna know how the line between mortal/not mortal and dying works in this universe.
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