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PartyCrown posted:Theyre evacuating yellowknife, everyone has to be out by friday. Theres only one highway out of town and the fire could reach the city by saturday, so theyre trying to get everyone out while they can. Evacuations have already started for medically vulnerable folks. I grew up right downtown. This is so surreal and awful. seems fine, let's drill baby drill
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PartyCrown posted:NWT goons, how are you doing? Just heard that the families of RCMP members and military folks are being asked to pre-evacuate YK so that the cops etc can focus better on evacuating everyone else when the poo poo hits the fan. And a lot of people at the airport trying to buy tickets to get out. I prepare to be incredibly depressed my hometown and the one place I ever really liked living is gone. I can't even realistically go and help.
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PartyCrown posted:NWT goons, how are you doing? Just heard that the families of RCMP members and military folks are being asked to pre-evacuate YK so that the cops etc can focus better on evacuating everyone else when the poo poo hits the fan. And a lot of people at the airport trying to buy tickets to get out. Yeah not great! We are in Alberta anyway on "vacation" so on the positive side we were already out and on the negative side we didn't really bring as much as we probably would have. We were going to go to Drumheller and the Calgary Zoo and poo poo, but gently caress all that now. I guess I should go cancel my annual leave. It will give me something to do, I guess.
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Aug 17, 2023 06:47
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CLAM DOWN posted:seems fine, let's drill baby drill The territory might have 37% of the countries oil reserves, its just going to waste there tbh
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Entropic posted:https://twitter.com/rjjago/status/1690496362318831616?s=46&t=dQl6Iu6Wmq7antcZ30Prgw "Jason says they also don’t qualify for support through the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), adding their application was denied."\ That's some moxie applying for emergency aid while sitting comfy in your completely intact home in Canada.
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Bilirubin posted:Sorry NWT goons Yeah this is such terrible news, stay safe NWT goons
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https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1691990383415157138 I'll believe it when I see it.
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It would be funny if they are forced to do this cause their eternal polling numbers are so loving dire. Maybe poilievre will contribute to something positive for the first time in his life.
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PhilippAchtel posted:https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1691990383415157138 ron Pearlman wants to give me drugs. cool!
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Entropic posted:https://firesmoke.ca/forecasts/current/ gives a good idea of burn area and smoke distribution You honestly expect me to believe NWT are a burning hellscape, but that there's only 1 fire in Alaska? Clearly this just proves that the fires are an act of terrorism perpetrated by the US and we should build a wall to keep them out!  But seriously, I hope everyone gets out safely and that conditions change enough that there's no severe property damage.
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Toronto Star posted:OTTAWA — Grassroots Conservatives are set to push their party into a political debate around gender identity that Leader Pierre Poilievre has so far tried to avoid, with resolutions on “single-sex spaces” and gender-affirming medical care to be debated at next month’s party convention. Tell me more about how the Liberals are in trouble from the Conservatives  e: I bet they end up voting on some abortion resolutions too!
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Another Bill posted:Tell me more about how the Liberals are in trouble from the Conservatives I told my husband it was coming, the poo poo that's in the states re: abortion and he pooh poohed it away like it could never happen. Yeah I heard that poo poo before when I lived in the states and look what happened! How justified am I in being worried about abortion access being restricted or removed entirely?
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I'm exactly 0% worried about the Canadian abortion status quo changing but I do think that a large part of the Conservative activist base will be fired up after the Roe v. Wade reversal and want to make their voices heard, and they're backed by American pro-life money. I think the 'culture war' (hate that term for LGBTQ+ human rights and women's healthcare) will tank the Conservatives in the next election. Remember: numbers show women already hate PP, this will only bury him further.
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Another Bill posted:I'm exactly 0% worried about the Canadian abortion status quo changing but I do think that a large part of the Conservative activist base will be fired up after the Roe v. Wade reversal and want to make their voices heard, and they're backed by American pro-life money. this is very optimistic given just how many federal elections seem to be decided by voters being tired of whoever is in office rather than being excited about whoever is trying to replace them. If voters don't want Trudeau and the Liberals, it's not like Singh and the NDP are going to suddenly form government
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Another Bill posted:I'm exactly 0% worried about the Canadian abortion status quo changing but I do think that a large part of the Conservative activist base will be fired up after the Roe v. Wade reversal and want to make their voices heard, and they're backed by American pro-life money. they are loading up on 00 buckshot and aiming down the barrel at their own feet. that said, i still wouldn't put it past the liberals to get caught doing something so egregious it kills the party, again
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vyelkin posted:this is very optimistic given just how many federal elections seem to be decided by voters being tired of whoever is in office rather than being excited about whoever is trying to replace them. If voters don't want Trudeau and the Liberals, it's not like Singh and the NDP are going to suddenly form government this is what worries me. they could be objectively the worst choice by every metric for just about every demographic, being lead by an absolute pariah, and if the liberals collapse they're still going to form the government
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More likely scenario is that Higgs ends up using the Notwithstanding Clause on his attempt to make New Brunswick teens more miserable, and then the Christian Nationalists he's courting could probably figure out it would actually work for abortion too. Cannot overstate how stupid it is having a constitutional escape clause, one conservatives are learning to love.
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the culture war stuff is interesting because, yeah, it’s been a “stinking albatross” for them in the past but there could be a growing base for this stuff in places where it hasn’t been before. GTA communities in those key suburban ridings are a target for con votes and as long as they can keep the anti-immigrant rhetoric down they will find quite a few nodding heads there with the social conservative stuff where they probably wouldn’t have as much traction there in the past.
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criminalizing abortion is a massive vote loser right now more than ever. the effective way to gently caress with abortion is to legalize it but simply defund medical services, but conservatives can’t resist saying the quiet parts out loud
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odiv posted:We are in Alberta anyway Goondolences
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DynamicSloth posted:More likely scenario is that Higgs ends up using the Notwithstanding Clause on his attempt to make New Brunswick teens more miserable, and then the Christian Nationalists he's courting could probably figure out it would actually work for abortion too. This is true, but the concept of "constitutional rights" breeds complacency. People act like there are strong protections built into the system, but it mostly amounts to a piece of paper, as liberals in the US are learning to their chagrin. The only solution is to address the power imbalance that creates the opportunities in the first place. RealityWarCriminal posted:love the status quo baby PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 15:42 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Randalor posted:You honestly expect me to believe NWT are a burning hellscape, but that there's only 1 fire in Alaska? Clearly this just proves that the fires are an act of terrorism perpetrated by the US and we should build a wall to keep them out! If it weren't for the inevitable homelessness, I would not lament the property damage.
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Jordan7hm posted:criminalizing abortion is a massive vote loser right now more than ever. the effective way to gently caress with abortion is to legalize it but simply defund medical services, but conservatives can’t resist saying the quiet parts out loud fwiw I also thought that the Republicans would never gently caress with abortion because it was a major fundraiser and voter turnout machine for them but I was wrong so I'm certainly no expert.
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Another Bill posted:fwiw I also thought that the Republicans would never gently caress with abortion because it was a major fundraiser and voter turnout machine for them but I was wrong so I'm certainly no expert. they’re consistently paying for it at the polls, but a growing segment of that party no longer seems to care about winning elections. that’s what a trump win will do for you I guess
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Jordan7hm posted:they’re consistently paying for it at the polls, but a growing segment of that party no longer seems to care about winning elections. that’s what a trump win will do for you I guess it’s top trumps that is
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Another Bill posted:fwiw I also thought that the Republicans would never gently caress with abortion because it was a major fundraiser and voter turnout machine for them but I was wrong so I'm certainly no expert. it's because the Republicans actually have deeply-held ideological beliefs that they want to enact using the power of the state, and many of them care more about effecting those changes in society than they do about raising money and winning future elections, so when you give them an opportunity they seize it and impose the changes on everyone else. In political science terms it's sometimes referred to as the difference between "ideological" and "pragmatic" political parties, in that for the ideological ones winning elections is a means to an ideological end that remains relatively constant over time and for the pragmatic ones ideological positions are a means to pragmatic ends like winning and retaining political power. A pragmatic party can stay in office for a long time and have no major political achievements because that's not the point of its existence, whereas an ideological party can stay out of office for a long time and then make a lot of huge changes in a short period of time when they do win power because that's the point of its existence.
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Isizzlehorn posted:If it weren't for the inevitable homelessness, I would not lament the property damage. I'm lamenting it because of the inevitable homelessness and loss of irreplaceable items. It's a lovely position to be in and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Homes can be rebuilt, but losing something handmade by a departed family member really sucks.
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Randalor posted:I'm lamenting it because of the inevitable homelessness and loss of irreplaceable items. It's a lovely position to be in and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Homes can be rebuilt, but losing something handmade by a departed family member really sucks. Yeah and think of all the cultural treasures that must have been gathered in Yellowknife. AFAIK the art scene there is very interesting and it's brutal that it'll likely be all lost soon.
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tuyop posted:Yeah and think of all the cultural treasures that must have been gathered in Yellowknife. AFAIK the art scene there is very interesting and it's brutal that it'll likely be all lost soon. There's a chance that the museum will be ok because it's so close to the leg. They'll likely work pretty hard to protect the legislative assembly, and the museum by extension. They also have some fire suppression systems, but nothing... really brilliant because funding is so limited.
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Fundamentally I believe we have a different culture than the Americans, or had, and so I think the particular fault lines of a Canadian Kulturkampf, barring those who only consume American media, will be different. For instance, in Canada the mainline Protestants have always been a stronger cultural force than the Evangelicals. There's no reason that I can see driving the Anglican and United Churches to suddenly come out against abortion, or the same-sex stuff, since they perform same-sex weddings and have for years. The other side of this is that nothing is more important to Canadian liberals than not being gauche Americans. The Tories threatening abortion would be a huge mobilizer for them. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 16:30 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Jordan7hm posted:they’re consistently paying for it at the polls, but a growing segment of that party no longer seems to care about winning elections. that’s what a trump win will do for you I guess The only purpose of winning elections is to gain and use power. The ostensibly left wing parties need to take a page from this book, because if this is a criticism of "Trumpism" this is a massive misunderstanding of politics. Frosted Flake posted:Fundamentally I believe we have a different culture than the Americans, or had, and so I think the particular fault lines of a Canadian Kulturkampf, barring those who only consume American media, will be different. I think this is extremely naive. Canadians like to think they have a fundamentally different political landscape than the US, and they really don't. PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 18:37 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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We live in a different cultural landscape. What would the impetus for opposition to abortion be? The same with gay rights? If the mainline Proddies have made their peace with it, and the detente with all denominations since 1967 has been a greatly reduced role in public life, what is the cultural basis for legislating morality - if that's what we want to call this?
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New Brunswick has never really had adequate access to abortion and no one west of Edmunston ever notice or cared before. In a few years if Higgs decides to role it back entirely and the Conservatives are in power federally all PP's Health Minister has to do is say it's properly a provincial matter and mail them their regular cheque and it's a fait accompli. They can start working on other provinces from there.PhilippAchtel posted:This is true, but the concept of "constitutional rights" breeds complacency. People act like there are strong protections built into the system, but it mostly amounts to a piece of paper, as liberals in the US are learning to their chagrin. 
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I know NB used be a hotbed for reaction and religious agitation in the public sphere because of the Orangemen, but that's clearly not what's at play here. What is the source of this energy in NB politics currently?
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Frosted Flake posted:We live in a different cultural landscape. What would the impetus for opposition to abortion be? The same with gay rights? there's a lot of Cons, and a lot of their churches, who want the church to be a big thing in public life again, and are pushing for legislating morality. it doesn't matter to them if anyone else wants it, they do.
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