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It's Guitar World music. Be it Clapton or Vai or Abasi. It fuckin sucks.
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TheMightyBoops posted:Charles Mingus. That dude wrote some good stuff though. And having seen Marcus Miller live, yeah, that guy is a definitely a wanker. Like, he knows his stuff and can compose a tune, but he also slaps 64th notes because that's also his thing. I saw him with a bunch of upcoming jazz wankers, and he was good about letting them get their spotlight too. So he's in Vai territory for me. Also he played a bass clarinet to switch it up, and I'm super into that. They're huge, expensive and not really suitable for me, but I still want one.
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Aug 17, 2023 08:10
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BonHair posted:That dude wrote some good stuff though.  https://www.charlesmingus.com/mingus/cat-traning-program
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Aug 17, 2023 12:19
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Turbinosamente posted:Okay it's been bugging me: we brought up Jaco before, but I can't come up with any other bassists known for that virtuoso wank style of playing. Maybe Victor Wooten? I can think of lots of famous bass players, but none fit the bill. Thundercat for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2qTe9V45kc
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Aug 17, 2023 13:11
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:Thundercat for sure. Dude that sounds like rear end. Sounds like a bunch of wet farts blowing off the stage.
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Aug 17, 2023 13:25
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I wonder where the Guitar World mindset comes from - I can see it and respect it (even if I don't enjoy it) in older artists who are maybe session musicians or whatever, so get really deep in the weeds with craft, but when it's some 20-30yr old with plug piercings and a bushy soulpatch and 7 string headless guitar sitting in front of a gaming PC with a cosmic visualiser... ...ah gently caress, that's it, isn't it? These guys are gamers aren't they? At heart, they're gamers.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:26
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On the other hand, what level of technical performance is someone allowed to demonstrate before it’s not “wank” to some of you? Is John Coltrane wank? Is every guitarist or bassist who does solos wank?
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Aug 17, 2023 14:33
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The appeal to people outside of musicians makes it not wank
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Aug 17, 2023 14:36
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Henchman of Santa posted:On the other hand, what level of technical performance is someone allowed to demonstrate before it’s not “wank” to some of you? Is John Coltrane wank? Is every guitarist or bassist who does solos wank? Wank music is good, even though I don’t like it, it’s a way for musicians to make money when David Lee Roth doesn’t need a touring guitarist. Jazz isn’t wank btw because I like it.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:42
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Spanish Manlove posted:The appeal to people outside of musicians makes it not wank But some of the people being called wank here are incredibly popular with non-musicians. Eric Clapton? Van Halen? These are some of the most successful rock musicians who ever lived. Nobody on the G3 Tour approaches the same stratosphere.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:49
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Henchman of Santa posted:But some of the people being called wank here are incredibly popular with non-musicians. Eric Clapton? Van Halen? These are some of the most successful rock musicians who ever lived. Nobody on the G3 Tour approaches the same stratosphere. A lot of actual wank is like Van Halen but Van Halen is not wank.
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Aug 17, 2023 14:53
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TheMightyBoops posted:A lot of actual wank is like Van Halen but Van Halen is not wank. Yeah, I could hum some Clapton licks right now too. Same is true of Hendrix or Van Halen. Honestly, it could just be a wank on the blues continuum vs blues on the prog thing.
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Aug 17, 2023 15:16
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we need a three pronged miller test for wank
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Aug 17, 2023 15:22
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I think the only thing I will totally say is wank is music I hear where the song mostly just sounds like a backing track for the specific soloist who’s name is on the track. So in a sense for me it is the other stuff in the song that distinguishes it as wank. That Nuno song is a good example because all the non solo bits sounds like almost a fake song to me. The elements of a song are there but something is off.
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Aug 17, 2023 15:24
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Henchman of Santa posted:On the other hand, what level of technical performance is someone allowed to demonstrate before it’s not “wank” to some of you? Is John Coltrane wank? Is every guitarist or bassist who does solos wank? This handy rubric may be of help: 1) Does it have soul? 2) Can you sing along? 3) Can you feel it? 4) Can they play that same thing again? Add 25% wank-factor for every negative response, and there you have it.
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Aug 17, 2023 15:28
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Dukes Mayo Clinic posted:This handy rubric may be of help: “Does it have soul” is another one of those meaningless concepts. It’s totally up to the listener. Unless it’s that video of Yngwie doing a “blues” solo—that definitely doesn’t have it.
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Aug 17, 2023 15:36
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Yeah, no poo poo it's subjective as gently caress. Something like Van Halen is definitely more technical than some wankery, especially if you want to include Clapton, but it's actually listenable. Meshuggah is another example that is definitely huffing technical farts, but also they made a bunch of surprisingly hummable tunes. It's all about the subjective ability to write songs as more than a theoretical composition.
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Henchman of Santa posted:“Does it have soul” is another one of those meaningless concepts. It’s totally up to the listener. Unless it’s that video of Yngwie doing a “blues” solo—that definitely doesn’t have it. Yeah, I agree, that's too subjective. There is a sterility to the stuff that sets off my wank alarm, but I think that's possibly due to the really clear and bright, but not distorted, tone the guitar often has and how it's mixed. I think maybe there's a lot of reverb and delay in there too. So, soulless isn't useful to me, but I think inorganic might be?
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Aug 17, 2023 15:50
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If the thread wants to hear the Event Horizon of wank try listening to Slash’s solo stuff. Someone needs to talk to Slash.
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Aug 17, 2023 15:58
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TheMightyBoops posted:Someone needs to talk to Slash. Rather wouldn't, thanks.
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Aug 17, 2023 16:09
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TheMightyBoops posted:I think the only thing I will totally say is wank is music I hear where the song mostly just sounds like a backing track for the specific soloist who’s name is on the track. So in a sense for me it is the other stuff in the song that distinguishes it as wank. That Nuno song is a good example because all the non solo bits sounds like almost a fake song to me. The elements of a song are there but something is off. lol it's basically an even lamer version of fuel by metallica
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Aug 17, 2023 16:10
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If it has zero sex at every level it’s wank music, paradoxically.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:If it has zero sex at every level it’s wank music, paradoxically. Car Seat Headrest aren't wanky though - it's a world of contrasts. EDIT: I was going to cite Weezer at first, but Weezer *are* kind of wanky insofar as they are music about music, it's just that they have actual hooks. I don't know. Two-beers thoughts. Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Aug 17, 2023 |
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Aug 17, 2023 20:56
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For the Love of God’s solo is the best go-to example of wank imo there’s so much about the song that is genuinely fantastic and then…that happens
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Aug 17, 2023 21:26
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It's not just straight-forward wankery, true wankers gently caress with time signatures so much that it's actively hostile to the casual listener. Oh, I keep stumbling over myself trying to "get" your wankery? Nah, no thanks. again, this abomination https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vswDu3IlUbg
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Aug 17, 2023 22:18
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Virgin Mathcore vs the Chad Bulerias
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:If it has zero sex at every level it’s wank music, paradoxically. Does Buckethead get any?
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Aug 17, 2023 22:57
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Krustic posted:Does Buckethead get any? He toured for a while with some chick called Big D that did some interpretive dance stuff during his shows; He was probably banging.
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Aug 17, 2023 23:21
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That chicken fucks.
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Aug 17, 2023 23:46
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Chickenhead is the exception. There is something about him making fun of it all at the same time that he is the best shredder and a weirdo cool dude to boot that makes it kinda sexy.
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Aug 17, 2023 23:50
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:If it has zero sex at every level it’s wank music, paradoxically. lmao true
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Aug 18, 2023 00:31
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Buckethead does not have time for sex because he has to put out 10 new albums every month that nobody listens to.
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Aug 18, 2023 00:40
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Buckethead is legitimately my favorite guitarist. I've seen him live a bunch of times. I've seen shows where he just shows up with a backing track that he can control and shreds your face off for an hour and a half, and I've seen him with full bands. Dude is my hero. He's the only "shred" guy I really like. He also has a dance session mid show a lot and does nunchucks. Also he handed me a bag of fake blood at a show once. Buckethead rules. He's also got a stupidly huge catalog of music. Like he's the only guy out there other than Frank Zappa with that much music out there. I still hate myself for not buying one of his signature Les Paul's. They are like 10k plus now used. Henchman of Santa posted:Buckethead does not have time for sex because he has to put out 10 new albums every month that nobody listens to. It's me. The guy who listens to his 10 albums a month. He's the best. Malaria fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Malaria posted:I still hate myself for not buying one of his signature Les Paul's. They are like 10k plus now used. I hate myself for selling the one I had...
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:Thundercat for sure. Thundercats doing some noodly virtuoso poo poo but its got vocals, traditional structure etc. It's not pure musos music I've heard it playing in bars. Its just funk.
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Aug 18, 2023 08:36
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TheMightyBoops posted:Charles Mingus.
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DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:mingus plays nothing like jaco and is primarily respected as a composer and band leader It was a joke. A guy being mad a Charles Mingus in 2023 just sounds funny to me. He’s actually written some of my favorite things I’ve ever heard. He does a thing where he’ll insert interludes of wah’d out sounding horns in unison that I think rules. Also some of his sax players did some wild stuff on some tracks. TheMightyBoops fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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If it can be referred to as “challenging” it’s going to be wank.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Is every guitarist or bassist who does solos wank? 
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