haveblue posted:

And the level where you walk along not fighting anything but triggering a bunch of cutscenes and NPC speeches

Volte posted:

"there's a level that doesn't have enemies and I don't like it" then I can't argue with that

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"the lore is bad because you're forced to engage with it in the level that doesn't have enemies" then that's just not correct.

Oxyclean posted:

On one hand, yeah, Doom Eternal's lore stuff is dumb if you don't care about it.

On the other, Doom 2 has some stinker levels like The Chasm, and I almost would rather the goofy lore dump level over that.

Arivia posted:

The Chasm is interesting, cool, and good. It's tense, but that doesn't make it a bad level.

Oxyclean posted:

On the other, Doom 2 has some stinker levels like The Chasm, and I almost would rather the goofy lore dump level over that.

Milo and POTUS posted:

The chainsaw arms are shockingly powerful I feel and I'm pretty sure stronger than the legs when you're fighting bigger enemies. They're not particularly useful though and I really only use it for prompted fights. Honestly much like the orbital laser or whatever I forget I have it most of the time

Oxyclean posted:

I never liked it much, and thought it was commonly regarded as a weaker part of the game. No shade if you like it.

ponzicar posted:

Doom Eternal and its predecessor have attracted the attention of the very weird crowd who have been trapped in a basement since the 90s and have played nothing but Doom wads the entire time, think of themselves in a war with modern game design, and consider various aspects of them either a vindication or betrayal of their old school sensibilities. So they come up with very strong takes about exceedingly minor aspects of the games.

Both games are 99.999% action and were made by people who had an appreciation for the original Dooms, but decided to innovate and shake up the standard fps shoot dudes formula. That new formula may or may not work for you. But it sometimes feels like the actual gameplay is overshadowed by hot takes from people who think that the only place a video game story should be is in the first two pages of the little manual that doubles as a cover for the CD jewel case.

haveblue posted:

I mean, yes, that is what I'm saying. It is my opinion that a level structured like that doesn't belong in the Doom franchise

I guess it depends on what you count as "force"? The NPC speeches you can run past and the cinematics you can click to cancel out of, but you still experience all the distance, both physically and temporally, between the level start and the first combat sequence

Dramicus posted:

If you want to get into weird territory, now that all of these are owned by the same entity it's actually possible that Doom, Quake and Rage all take place before/alongside Fallout.

And also Starfield also takes place in the Fallout universe because from what I've seen, Earth isn't habitable. And in Starfield you can go to Mars...

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

If you don't like Doom Eternal then you can just SUCK AN EGG

Arivia posted:

do i at least get 1 health for this egg-sucking. does it go over 100% health. is it basically a health vial.

ponzicar posted:

Doom Eternal and its predecessor have attracted the attention of the very weird crowd who have been trapped in a basement since the 90s and have played nothing but Doom wads the entire time, think of themselves in a war with modern game design, and consider various aspects of them either a vindication or betrayal of their old school sensibilities. So they come up with very strong takes about exceedingly minor aspects of the games.

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Beat Quake 2 Ground Zero on Hard just now, boy what a slog that turned into.

The endless amount of wall and ceiling turrets that start appearing after the first act are very annoying.

ponzicar posted:

Doom Eternal and its predecessor have attracted the attention of the very weird crowd who have been trapped in a basement since the 90s and have played nothing but Doom wads the entire time, think of themselves in a war with modern game design, and consider various aspects of them either a vindication or betrayal of their old school sensibilities. So they come up with very strong takes about exceedingly minor aspects of the games.

Both games are 99.999% action and were made by people who had an appreciation for the original Dooms, but decided to innovate and shake up the standard fps shoot dudes formula. That new formula may or may not work for you. But it sometimes feels like the actual gameplay is overshadowed by hot takes from people who think that the only place a video game story should be is in the first two pages of the little manual that doubles as a cover for the CD jewel case.

ponzicar posted:

Doom Eternal and its predecessor have attracted the attention of the very weird crowd who have been trapped in a basement since the 90s and have played nothing but Doom wads the entire time, think of themselves in a war with modern game design, and consider various aspects of them either a vindication or betrayal of their old school sensibilities. So they come up with very strong takes about exceedingly minor aspects of the games.

Both games are 99.999% action and were made by people who had an appreciation for the original Dooms, but decided to innovate and shake up the standard fps shoot dudes formula. That new formula may or may not work for you. But it sometimes feels like the actual gameplay is overshadowed by hot takes from people who think that the only place a video game story should be is in the first two pages of the little manual that doubles as a cover for the CD jewel case.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Doom Eternal is so much better on a second play through when you skip every single cutscene. It genuinely makes the game amazing.

DoombatINC posted:

Not even just that, it's the Strogg who are the ones using CDs at their base

Like, rip the brain out of a frog to store data like it's eXistenZ, you're the Strogg!

Volte posted:

That's interesting, I was playing on the second hardest difficulty and never once felt like I was even taking any damage (and once I got powerups so that the chainsaw leg refilled my health and armor it only got easier). On the other hand I might have to start over if the difficulty goes up too much.

Weedle posted:

HolyKrap posted:

I'm trying it out on the second hardest difficulty now, feels alright, I actually died once!! I wish there was just one more between this and the last difficulty though, cause there's a huge ramp-up between the two. 3x damage taken upped to 6x, and no medkits outside of what enemies drop. Unless you're leeching hp with the chainsaw the whole way through you just can't get hit at all

shoeberto posted:

The bits of lore I've seen from Eternal has kinda turned me off of playing it. It feels like Diablo, which also got way too in love with its dumb story.

Dramicus posted:

Absolutely. After finishing the Reckoning and feeling a bit burned out by it (The spaceship level was by far the best part though, super fun), Ground Zero started off really strong and it was refreshingly fun... right until the turrets started showing up. Now it's a slog again.

imperiusdamian posted:

Diablo II struck the perfect balance between lore and gameplay. Then Diablo 3 came along, retconned most of it and farsked the gameplay along with the story.

Milo and POTUS posted:

Someone was criticizing the grenades in quake 2 or at least the weak rear end throw of bitterman (what a name btw) and I see the point but even with that against them they're a surprisingly decent weapon and I have no idea why. The explosive radius isn't good and I don't think there's any actual shrapnel but I still find myself getting kills with them occasionally. In multiplayer. Against decent opponents somehow. I mean I usually use them as such in places where there's items at the end of a hall or culdesac like the chaingun or rockets in edge but you wouldn't think it'd work that well even so

Woolie Wool posted:

the last thing Doom needs is canon, loving hated Eternal's ~*lore*~

Heavy Metal posted:

Random note, I was watching some Starfield footage, and that'll be fun as its own sandbox Bethesda thingy I'm sure. But I noticed the gunplay of course is just so mindless looking, and so many games are like that.

Volte posted:

You can just skip all that, it's just the prelude to the Gladiator fight and takes like two minutes to get through. It's like saying Doom 2 was good except for the bit in between MAP06 and MAP07 where you have to read a bunch of text instead of killing stuff.

Xenomrph posted:

You and me both.

Also what was the logic in Doom 1, 2, and 64 linking up to Doom 2016? Like, I get that Doomguy in the old stuff and the Doom Slayer in the new stuff are meant to be the same guy, but is the “earth” dimension in each one different? Like Doomguy starts with Dimension A’s UAC opening a portal to Hell, he kills demons, saves the earth, goes to Hell, gets stuck there, becomes the Doom Slayer, gets imprisoned, and then Dimension B’s UAC opens a portal to Hell, ventures into Hell for ardent energy, finds the Doom Slayer (who originated in Dimension A, way back when), and then the events of 2016 and Eternal play out in Dimension B?