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Cygni posted:$99 Arc A380 i kissed av1 and i liked it
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I wouldn't call it "actively hindering" as much as sad and pathetic every time you use Edge to download Chrome on a new Windows install you get faced with a couple "Please give us a chance it's a good browser we swear Edge is a good browser 
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Edge doesn't have poo poo to say when I install Lynx. It knows it's beat.
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Aug 18, 2023 20:10
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Arivia posted:i kissed av1 and i liked it twitch enable AV1 already you cowards, even if only for source quality when the streamer is uploading AV1 encoded on their end
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Aug 18, 2023 20:11
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Mega Comrade posted:Funniest one to me is game exclusives on console. When it's a studio Sony or Microsoft own then whatever, but them buying up studios is fairly recent, it used to just be a wod of cash to just not release it on the competitors hardware. I loved being forced to call in to cancel xbox live, only be ignored for wanting to do that and pressured into keeping it. Then a decade later I tried game pass… Jade empire was unplayable for us. Other games like dirt has the log in window pop up in a way you couldn’t click them. So then we go to cancel, and the website doesn’t load the “cancel your account page” it just 404s out with some message I don’t remember. After 2 days of that I had to call Microsoft to cancel game pass over the phone. I don’t have much love for Microsoft.
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Aug 18, 2023 20:12
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repiv posted:twitch enable AV1 already you cowards, even if only for source quality when the streamer is uploading AV1 encoded on their end maybe the real upsell is h264 pseudosource for the people who can't decode av1
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Aug 18, 2023 20:13
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Mega Comrade posted:Ok. Yeah. This is right on the money, thank you. Unfortunately it is presently difficult to divorce oneself from windows. But im not buying gamepass.
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Aug 18, 2023 20:14
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kliras posted:they don't know how to upsell their own platform and seem to be trying to get people to drop twitch turbo (basically youtube premium), would have been a smart thing to bundle with some av1 goodness if they cared they should consider monetizing their platform by selling some actual ads to actual advertisers rather than playing two audible ads back-to-back every 10 minutes
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Aug 18, 2023 20:15
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Mega Comrade posted:Ok. i have literally never heard of microsoft doing that, do you have a link?
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Aug 18, 2023 20:19
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Mega Comrade posted:Funniest one to me is game exclusives on console. When it's a studio Sony or Microsoft own then whatever, but them buying up studios is fairly recent, it used to just be a wod of cash to just not release it on the competitors hardware. It got even better once simultaneous PC / console releases started being more standard, leading to console exclusivity becoming some "No Homers Club" poo poo Two years on and I'm still busting up at the Deathloop trailer's PLAYSTATION 5 EXCLUSIVE also available on PC 
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Aug 18, 2023 20:21
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Cygni posted:$99 Arc A380 I was considering it but like - You can't make Plex encode a stream into AV1 for the receiving client to save bandwidth - You can't encode to AV1 with Moonlight/Sunshine or Parsec to remote play games with lower bandwidth So what is the point of it right now?
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Aug 18, 2023 20:25
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Arivia posted:i have literally never heard of microsoft doing that, do you have a link? i guess they mean secure boot which microsoft started mandating on OEM machines starting from windows 8, which initially made it difficult to boot linux, but IIRC distros figured out how to handle it fairly quickly
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Zero VGS posted:I was considering it but like putting your Linux ISOs in av1 to save space
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKr9wcQyyHoMr Luxury Yacht posted:I wouldn't call it "actively hindering" as much as sad and pathetic every time you use Edge to download Chrome on a new Windows install you get faced with a couple "Please give us a chance it's a good browser we swear I had my father in law phone me up asking why the computer was telling him that chrome isn't safe to use when I had recommended it. It comes across as silly and desperate to us but its a trick some people will fall for. spunkshui posted:Unfortunately it is presently difficult to divorce oneself from windows. Thanks to Valves proton its easier than its ever been. Even NVidia have given in and released some open source drivers for the linux kernel. Zero VGS posted:Imagine installing Chrome instead of Firefox... Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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Mega Comrade posted:Even now edge will actively try and hinder you installing chrome. Imagine installing Chrome instead of Firefox...
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repiv posted:i guess they mean secure boot which microsoft started mandating on OEM machines starting from windows 8, which initially made it difficult to boot linux, but IIRC distros figured out how to handle it fairly quickly and part of that was microsoft themselves offering to sign keys for distros, so yeah, calling it some microsoft plot is kinda absurd
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Zero VGS posted:So what is the point of it right now?
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K8.0 posted:VRR exists because of Nvidia, they adopted Freesync and unlike AMD set actual standards for displays. This is backwards of my understanding. It was a VESA standard, as part of Display Port 1.2a, backed by AMD. https://vesa.org/featured-articles/vesa-adds-adaptive-sync-to-popular-displayport-video-standard/
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Rinkles posted:This is pretty neat there's going to be some headaches with the display of onpresent, etc across all games given certain games do that wrong and there's decades of driver-level workarounds for a reason but the same could be said for intel's graphics drivers needing to exist nowadays and this could work as a tool for third-parties to document it all for them eventually
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Rawrbomb posted:This is backwards of my understanding. It was a VESA standard, as part of Display Port 1.2a, backed by AMD. gsync was announced 7 months before that article was posted as i recall the bones of adaptive sync were present in eDP before gsync came along but it was positioned as a power saving feature to clock down on idle rather than match the refresh rate to the frame rate continuously, and the gsync module was the first practical implementation of the latter
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Arivia posted:i have literally never heard of microsoft doing that, do you have a link? Tangentially related, there was the multi-year Windows ARM exclusivity deal with Qualcomm. Which more people would have probably cared about except it was... Windows on Arm. Rawrbomb posted:This is backwards of my understanding. It was a VESA standard, as part of Display Port 1.2a, backed by AMD. Gsync predates the VESA standard. Gsync was launched in 2013.
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in terms of actual availability the first gsync monitor shipped in december 2013 and the first vesa adaptivesync/freesync monitor shipped in march of 2015, the lead times basically line up for it to be a response to gsync rather than something they were working on anyway
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Aug 18, 2023 20:50
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I can't remember the last time some GPU thing has caused this much hand wringing. We may be in our 30s/40s now, but there's an indignant 13 year old console warrior in all of us. You're all lucky I don't have a billion dollar company, I'd be paying companies to keep all TAA out of games altogether.
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If you're gonna be REALLY nitpicky. Then VRR  dates back to the 70s in vector displays.
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Multiscan CRTs couldn't adjust their refresh rates on the fly, like VRR, right?
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spunkshui posted:Give an example then. Diamond used to request custom builds for certain games to include along their cards, especially during the s3 virge era. I remember a few friends getting stung at gaming cons fetching destruction derby discs only to fail to load without a virge card.
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Cygni posted:Tangentially related, there was the multi-year Windows ARM exclusivity deal with Qualcomm. Which more people would have probably cared about except it was... Windows on Arm. Adaptive Sync was proposed as part of DisplayPort 1.2a, in early 2013. NVIDIA debuted a product first, of course, but it did pre-date nVidia's announcement. Edit: I guess one could argue it wasn't actually added (as an optional feature) until 2014, but it had been proposed earlier. Edit 2: Also, I spend a half day in meetings, see 146 new posts, get excited about what hit the news.. and it's just more loving Starfield complaining by NVIDIA stans. God I hate vendor tribalism. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 18, 2023 |
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SourKraut posted:Adaptive Sync was proposed as part of DisplayPort 1.2a, in early 2013. NVIDIA debuted a product first, of course, but it did pre-date nVidia's announcement. K8.0 posted:VRR exists because of Nvidia, they adopted Freesync and unlike AMD set actual standards for displays. But we didn't standardize on gsync, we standardized on the VESA protocols which is freesync. FreeSync was already part of the standard, so what does ndivida have to do with it? Outside admitting defeat and also using the standard?
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Rawrbomb posted:But we didn't standardize on gsync, we standardized on the VESA protocols which is freesync. FreeSync was already part of the standard, so what does ndivida have to do with it? Outside admitting defeat and also using the standard? Nvidia fans like to believe that everything Nvidia introduces, never existed in any form prior. There is absolutely no doubt that G-sync was vastly superior to Freesync for the first several years of both's existence, but there were also significant deficiencies introduced by using a G-sync module that they like to gloss over also, such as multi-input support and limitations. It's a lot like how someone else develops a feature first, Apple eventually copies/buys it, and suddenly it's the greatest thing ever that had never previously been implemented. Same rot, different tree.
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the fact that they're still running the gsync module on an FPGA in the year of our lord 2023 is just baffling, they're literally an ASIC company, why wouldn't you make an ASIC once the functionality is nailed down it's a good implementation but the hardware cost is unjustifiable nowadays
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Yeah, I still think it's a good implementation, but they absolutely should have updated it by now to an ASIC, and I don't understand why they can't implement better multi-input support, though maybe that's because FreeSync Premium/Pro are effectively equivalent-to-superior alternatives now, so there's little point in updating G-sync much further. It'd be nice if the HDMI inputs could run at full panel speed though.
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repiv posted:the fact that they're still running the gsync module on an FPGA in the year of our lord 2023 is just baffling, they're literally an ASIC company, why wouldn't you make an ASIC once the functionality is nailed down They came to that crossroads in 2019 already and their decision was to let development on the hardware module die and leave it as a niche product as long as display partners would order em. I imagine pulling design resources from their resoundingly profitable gaming and server divisions wasn't seen as a prudent call. But also relitigating Gsync/Freesync is somehow even lower on my list of preferred topics than relitigating DLSS/FSR so i'll stop.
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I wish Microsoft would just roll out a DLSS/FSR/XeSS equivalent into DirectX, call it DirectSS or whatever, and eliminate this as yet another long-term trend of full-to-partial vendor-limited implementations. I doubt Microsoft cares though.
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SourKraut posted:call it DirectSS It would only work for german players in WarThunder that way.
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repiv posted:it's quite likely that starfield also had DLSS at some point in development and it was pulled once they decided to partner with AMD (the game has no RT so "RTX" probably means DLSS) I would laugh if they just left the code for enabling DLSS in but didn't ship the DLL to make AMD happy, so you could just drop the DLL in and poof, the DLSS option appears.
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SourKraut posted:I wish Microsoft would just roll out a DLSS/FSR/XeSS equivalent into DirectX, call it DirectSS or whatever, and eliminate this as yet another long-term trend of full-to-partial vendor-limited implementations. I doubt Microsoft cares though. not sure how that would simplify anything unless they hit the R&D jackpot and developed something that works as well as DLSS but runs everywhere if it's less good then it would just redundantly fill the same role as FSR2 - a sensible default, but not the best, so users will want more options
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I wouldn't call it "actively hindering" as much as sad and pathetic every time you use Edge to download Chrome on a new Windows install you get faced with a couple "Please give us a chance it's a good browser we swear
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repiv posted:not sure how that would simplify anything unless they hit the R&D jackpot and developed something that works as well as DLSS but runs everywhere I'm pretty sure that Nvidia isn't the only one with the necessary resources to be capable of programming AI-based rendering for upscaling, it's just a matter of wanting to, and I don't think Microsoft sees a reason. I think Intel could get XeSS to match DLSS over the next few years if they stay in the GPU market, since there's certainly an argument to be made about the benefit for portables and their integrated GPUs even. AMD is just. lol. lmao.
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i recall microsoft talking up the ML acceleration features of the xbox series systems (a differentiator from the PS5 which lacks those instructions) but absolutely nothing of note has come of that yet
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My hot take on AMD blocking the use of DLSS is that I tried out the third party DLSS mod in Jedi Survivor, and DLSS quality not only looks better than FSR2 quality while being faster, it also looks better than native TAA while being significantly faster. DLSS is good enough that its performance mode actually approaches the image quality / stability / lack of temporal artifacts of FSR2 quality while being even faster yet. So I'm irritated I can't use a better feature of my video card I paid for without some hacky third party implementation because some rear end in a top hat company paid another rear end in a top hat company to disable a technology I bought from a third rear end in a top hat company. And it isn't really that big of a surprise that DLSS looks better, Dying Light 2's native TAA is actively worse than DLSS quality as well. Hell, FSR2 itself does slightly better than native TAA at avoiding ghosting/temporal artifacts, just not as good as DLSS.
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