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When did Christie pivot from being a lap dog to being a critic though? I think the timing of that change is pretty important. I think it was around January 6th but I can't recall for sure.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Chris Christie is the closest thing to a respectable candidate for the 2024 cycle currently - largely because he's the only significant candidate that isn't giving Trump his full support. I'm not a fan of a lot of his past policies and statements, but at least he's bucking the trend. Agreed. And, yeah, it says a loving whole lot about the modern GOP when people like Chris Christie, Liz Cheney and even Mike Pence are coming off as semi sane, reasonable Republican candidates. Overton Window, etc. etc.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:When did Christie pivot from being a lap dog to being a critic though? I think the timing of that change is pretty important. I think it was around January 6th but I can't recall for sure. That seems right, but he's also been pretty vocal about denying white nationalism/supremacy, and all of the fringe conspiracy theory poo poo like QAnon and election fraud. He's still very much a Republican and a relatively slippery one - but he's not doubling down on everything the way most of the GOP field has.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:When did Christie pivot from being a lap dog to being a critic though? I think the timing of that change is pretty important. I think it was around January 6th but I can't recall for sure. I feel like Trump giving Christie Covid and Christie getting seriously ill from it may have been a turning point, especially since Trump clealry knew he had it and completely disregarded Christie's safety.
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Zwabu posted:I feel like Trump giving Christie Covid and Christie getting seriously ill from it may have been a turning point, especially since Trump clealry knew he had it and completely disregarded Christie's safety. gently caress I'd totally forgotten about Trump trying to kill the entire Republican field with COVID. What a hilarious time that was
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Aug 19, 2023 18:22
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It's when Trump tossed Christie to the curb. Christie, unlike many Republicans, hasn't sacrificed *all* his pride on the altar of ambition. He also no longer has a political career to protect, so offending the Trumpists won't cost him his post.
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Failed Imagineer posted:gently caress I'd totally forgotten about Trump trying to kill the entire Republican field with COVID. What a hilarious time that was he took herman cain from us 
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Aug 19, 2023 18:35
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He stuck with the team even after Kushner spite crushed his AG bid, which should have been a tip off but wasn’t. I think it was the covid death scare that shocked some sense into him. Everyone entering trumps presence was getting covid tested and so was trump, so for trump to personally infect Christie (who probably had to have a nasal swap to enter the debate prep room with trump to begin with), that’s some next level galling poo poo. Things were scarier pre-vaccine, too.
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I do find it very darkly hilarious that it plausibly took Trump personally putting Christie in genuine mortal peril for Christie to make the revolutionary step of beginning to say bad things about Trump in public again.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:I do find it very darkly hilarious that it plausibly took Trump personally putting Christie in genuine mortal peril for Christie to make the revolutionary step of beginning to say bad things about Trump in public again. This feels like a Pence joke, somehow. We live in a weird loving timeline.
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PhazonLink posted:libraries even have their own digital streaming services. (oh and of course digital book and other lite borrows) The two main digital borrowing apps I use for my library are Libby & Hoopla. Libby has an excellent catalog of digital & audiobooks that are easy to search & within seconds they are downloaded. I’ve found they do have many new releases & while you may need to put big hits on hold it’s a reasonable wait & they make it easy to build “want to read lists.” Hoopla has movies, tv shows, & comics. I don’t use the show options much but their comic library is good & it’s fun to browse by author & publisher. They do good work highlighting work like Eisner nominees or having a section on Secret War comics when the show came out.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:It's when Trump tossed Christie to the curb. I think Christie is one of the few Republicans actually planning for the post Trump GOP. Almost everyone else is trying to figure out how they can be the next Trump, while Christie realizes MAGA is a cult and it's not sticking around after the Orange Messiah is gone. All those new voters who showed up from the electoral wilds to offset the voters who turned away in abject horror aren't voting for Trump Lite. And nobody is going to capture that weird Carnival Barker Wrestling 80's Business lightning in a bottle again. Christie is breaking as cleanly with Trump as he can for the sake of future failed runs at the White House.
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As far as I can tell, Pence is mostly running as the same conservative Christian that he was prior to being VP but without the populism. Needless to say it's gone over about as well as a lead balloon.
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I thought it would be a good time to check in on the DeSantis campaign. He's really needed good PR, and I think that today could be the day that.... https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1693064250678252026?s=20 ....oh
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Honestly, it probably makes him more relatable.
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Clarste posted:Honestly, it probably makes him more relatable. When the alternatives for comparison are boiled eggs on a stick and [INSERT HUMAN LAUGHTER HERE] then "more" is not a particularly high bar to clear.
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it kinda bothers me the QR code is placed so high up on the vehicle. like yeah theyre error resistant, but anyone right next tothe bus has a steep viewing angle. which is why you want to place it lower. maybe. I guess anything with in arms reach is vandal vulnerable to someone with black and white tape squares.
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Politico posted:Biden and the DNC reported raising $72 million in the second quarter of 2023. Trump’s joint fundraising committee earned $53.8 million in the first half of the year — but his camp spent $57 million in the same time period, according to POLITICO’s analysis. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/01/biden-trump-2024-poll-00109161 Politico posted:Trump saw slightly more support from his base than Biden, with 88 percent of registered Republicans selecting Trump versus 83 percent of Democrats choosing Biden. Independents favored Biden with 42 percent support over 37 percent for Trump. Look for the swing states 
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PhazonLink posted:it kinda bothers me the QR code is placed so high up on the vehicle. like yeah theyre error resistant, but anyone right next tothe bus has a steep viewing angle. which is why you want to place it lower. Like anyone is going to QR scan the bus instead of googling Ron DeSantis website.
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Clarste posted:Honestly, it probably makes him more relatable. Oh yeah. I can’t tell you how many times I bottomed out my million dollar campaign bus on the road.
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AlternateNu posted:Oh yeah. I can’t tell you how many times I bottomed out my million dollar campaign bus on the road. Who amongst us, etc
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Fighting Trousers posted:Who amongst us, etc It's me, the only bus driver desantis could get for his facerake world tour. gonna navigate around a 50k+ gwvr charter beast on spontaneous routes using only google maps
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Staluigi posted:It's me, the only bus driver desantis could get for his facerake world tour. gonna navigate around a 50k+ gwvr charter beast on spontaneous routes using only google maps Now take the scenic route via the 11 foot 8 bridge
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PhazonLink posted:it kinda bothers me the QR code is placed so high up on the vehicle. like yeah theyre error resistant, but anyone right next tothe bus has a steep viewing angle. which is why you want to place it lower. oh no, you've tickled the signage part of my brain and now i'm wondering if there's a recommended standard
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Nenonen posted:Now take the scenic route via the 11 foot 8 bridge "a little off the top please" 
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If you're a Republican voter trying to pick out the primary candidate most likely to win the general, it's gotta be Trump, right? My thought process is that there's X% of the electorate who will vote for Trump but won't vote for any other GOP nominee, and X is decently high because Trump will nonstop trash-talk that GOP nominee. And there's Y% of the electorate who will vote for Biden/not vote if the nominee is Trump, but who would note vote/vote GOP is the nominee is someone else. Going purely off intuition, I think X > Y. That Trump has done such a good job making himself the GOP brand that if they nominate someone else, they'll lose a lot of their own voters without neutralizing potential Dem voters/attracting new GOP voters.
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Staluigi posted:"a little off the top please" Desantis adds promise to mobilize the us military against Storrow Drive to his official platform.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:If you're a Republican voter trying to pick out the primary candidate most likely to win the general, it's gotta be Trump, right? Honestly, I just don't think there's any way to tell. There are so many countless variables and everyone assigns their own weight to every issue to where it's infinite monkey pollsters on infinite monkey polls.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:If you're a Republican voter trying to pick out the primary candidate most likely to win the general, it's gotta be Trump, right? Any other Republican is going to lose if Trump sabotages them, but I don't think people voting in the Republican primary are thinking about that. But Trump is the former president and half the Republican voters think he won in 2020, so it makes sense that they'd think he's most electable.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:If you're a Republican voter trying to pick out the primary candidate most likely to win the general, it's gotta be Trump, right? Yes, no, maybe. It's more about who the party apparatus backs and solidifies around and which candidate is most successful at getting the faith of certain blocks. I honestly think Pence will get the nod, despite the trumpist's hatred of him. The evangelicals + corporate republicans own the Republican party - not the MAGA loyalists. I think in 2016 Trump snuck past that block primarily due to vote-splitting in the primary and he then pivoted and promised tax cuts + abortion + pence to the evangelicals to get them on board for the general. I honestly don't think that's going to happen again. It'll be a true libertarian economic broke-brain (vivek) or an evangelical monster and I think pence is likeliest because he's a white guy. Haley I think is who liberals think the party will back after Trump, but I don't think she passes the RINO purity test.
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El Mero Mero posted:The evangelicals + corporate republicans own the Republican party - not the MAGA loyalists.
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El Mero Mero posted:Yes, no, maybe. It's more about who the party apparatus backs and solidifies around and which candidate is most successful at getting the faith of certain blocks. I honestly think Pence will get the nod, despite the trumpist's hatred of him. The evangelicals + corporate republicans own the Republican party - not the MAGA loyalists. I think in 2016 Trump snuck past that block primarily due to vote-splitting in the primary and he then pivoted and promised tax cuts + abortion + pence to the evangelicals to get them on board for the general. I think the evangelicals are all-in on Trump. The crassness, the infidelity, none of it matters because “he’s being guided by god now.” He got Roe overturned for them, and Obergefell is next.
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Evangelicals like Trump because he's racist and he gave them Dobbs, many "business conservatives" are the MasterCraft dealership owners who stormed the capitol, and the whole theory about secret owners who control everything just doesn't work out. Trump is the highest fundraising candidate, you can't rig presidential primaries like the Virginia GOP did against Amanda Chase, and candidates can't generally buy their way to victory in federal elections (the election-buying issue is in local politics).
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Evangelicals love rigid hierarchy and punishing deviants, and trump ticks all their boxes for someone to obey, insofar as he is a chauvinistic old white man who regularly informs women, nonwhites, and the young that they are below him and that he will punish them. Actually being a member of their religion or following the rules of the religion (mercy, forgiveness, believing that jesus is divine or that jehovah exists) is beside the point, and they’ll give excuses (jehovah uses the faithless as instruments, he may repent later, he has already repented in secret), but really they don’t care about any of that. Like, they don’t have to even have cognitive dissonance about it because it’s irrelevant to them.
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Staluigi posted:"a little off the top please" The hilarious thing is that the railroad raised the bridge an additional 8 inches in 2019 (earning it the name the 11 foot 8+8 bridge) and not even a month passed before it canopened another trailer.
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El Mero Mero posted:I honestly think Pence will get the nod, despite the trumpist's hatred of him. There is no universe or reality where Mike Pence ever won or wins the nomination. He's the guy everyone hates, but maybe not as much as that guy. He was going to get booted in Indiana until Trump saved his rear end. He was chosen as a desperate play to prevent Chris Christie or someone else who might do something to prevent everyone else's grift. If Trump was no more tomorrow, there would be a free for all. We wouldn't be looking at a clown car of candidates, we'd be looking at a full, giant circus. Mike Pence is both too boring and too unlikeable to win in any scenario where he doesn't just kill everyone else himself.
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Trump is a lock for the nomination because he's loving hilarious and everyone else in the primary is a complete dweeb. I'm guessing that a lot of the MAGA cult doesn't even really believe the stolen election BS and other related stuff, they just brush it aside/go with it because he's charismatic and he pisses off the people that they don't like. I really feel like politics is a lot simpler than some people think. People overthink this poo poo a lot.
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The big problem is that none of Trump’s opponents can really attack Trump on anything without pissing off the same voters they are trying to get to support them There’s really no way to overcome this with the base
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Craig K posted:in all fairness, boomer conservatives still hate "Hanoi Jane" Fonda Her general anti-war activities , even the visit to Hanoi, would not have been viewed as badly if not for the photo with her with the AA gun. She even admits the AA photo was naive and dumb on her part. frankly she had good intentions and she made a real mistake but none of that justifies the vitriol she experienced and still experiences today about that trip.
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James Garfield posted:Any other Republican is going to lose if Trump sabotages them, but I don't think people voting in the Republican primary are thinking about that. But Trump is the former president and half the Republican voters think he won in 2020, so it makes sense that they'd think he's most electable. 70% actually, according to polls I've seen https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70% This, to me, is why any talk about "reaching out" to GOP voters or attempting to be rational with them is a non starter and a complete waste of time. Dems need to focus solely on motivating and turning out their base, hopefully by actually delivering things they care about. Not trying to peel off non existent open minded Republicans. I AM GRANDO posted:Evangelicals love rigid hierarchy and punishing deviants Well...except for one well known deviant
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