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So being in the presence of God makes people horny? edit lol what a snype
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I feel like it's one of those things they figured out was probably a mistranslation a lot of times but kept going with it because the artists were having fun. For Michelangelo my understanding is that he knew it was a mistranslation. His statue of Moses has the face of his patron. He gave it horns to call his patron a cuckold.
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Aug 12, 2023 15:37
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sometimes a weird snipe is better if not called directly. permabanned poster goldencalf59 taught me that
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Bar Ran Dun posted:For Michelangelo my understanding is that he knew it was a mistranslation. His statue of Moses has the face of his patron. He gave it horns to call his patron a cuckold. That is a pretty epic troll, not gonna lie. Didn't some artist put people he knew in real life into his paintings of Hell? Hieronymus Bosch maybe? Or am I confusing this with Dante's Inferno the book? Dangit
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Aug 12, 2023 15:53
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Rappaport posted:That is a pretty epic troll, not gonna lie. Didn't some artist put people he knew in real life into his paintings of Hell? Hieronymus Bosch maybe? Pretty sure Bosch did it, know for a fact Dante did it, and Michelangelo did it AGAIN in The Last Judgement. It seems that was just how creative types trolled people in the Renaissance
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Aug 12, 2023 15:55
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Some court musician snickering to himself as he composes a song with a leitmotif which calls his patron's virility into question
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Aug 12, 2023 16:08
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And his musician friends are all laughing at the excellent burn. I think musicians do this to this day.
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Aug 12, 2023 16:22
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Brawnfire posted:Some court musician snickering to himself as he composes a song with a leitmotif which calls his patron's virility into question in the moment its a risky thing, but i have a lot of respect for it behind a cushion of centuries
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Aug 12, 2023 16:23
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Samovar posted:There's over 360 pages, so likely this has been mentioned before, but on the off chance it hasn't: Actually the Vulgate text itself was a mistranslation from Hebrew. Pseudodoxia Epidemica posted:The ground of this absurdity, was surely a mistake of the Hebrew Text, in the history of Moses when he descended from the Mount; upon the affinity of Kæren and Karan, that is, an horn, and to shine, which is one quality of horn: The Vulgar Translation conforming unto the former. Ignorabat quod cornuta esset facies ejus. Qui videbant faciem Moses esse cornutam. But the Chaldee paraphrase, translated by Paulus Fagius, hath otherwise expressed it. Moses nesciebat quod multus esset splendor gloriæ vultus ejus. Et viderunt filii Israel quod multa esset claritas gloriæ faciei Moses. The expression of the Septuagint is as large, δεδόξασται ἡ ὄψις τοῦ χρώματος τοῦ προσώπου, Glorificatus est aspectus cutis, seu coloris faciei.
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Aug 12, 2023 18:10
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For a lot of Renaissance art the faces are the patrons/wives/mistress/brothers/etc. Portraits weren’t a thing in certain time periods. So it’s not abnormal for specific folks faces to be in the art.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:For a lot of Renaissance art the faces are the patrons/wives/mistress/brothers/etc. Portraits weren’t a thing in certain time periods. So it’s not abnormal for specific folks faces to be in the art. i liek the one where he put himself 50 times in a crowd all like     etc
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Aug 12, 2023 18:46
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Asterite34 posted:So being in the presence of God makes people horny? Alexander the Great was likewise depicted with horns to show his divine origin. I don't know if it was a common trope for experiences with the divine in that culture, or a just a one off though. https://www.artic.edu/artworks/5764/tetradrachm-coin-portraying-alexander-the-great
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Bar Ran Dun posted:For a lot of Renaissance art the faces are the patrons/wives/mistress/brothers/etc. Portraits weren’t a thing in certain time periods. So it’s not abnormal for specific folks faces to be in the art.  One of the funnier details is that the guy with the bald head right in the front center refused to be included but... quote:The "Top of a bald head" belongs to Georgi Alekseyev, who was Grand Chamberlain of the court of the Russian Emperor, in charge of court finances. He was invited to pose for the role, but refused, as he felt it was undignified. Instead, Repin sketched the back of his head while Alekseyev was engaged in looking at an exhibit of prints. When he saw the painting, Alekseyev recognized his head, and was not pleased, but by then the painting was in the imperial collection.
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Asterite34 posted:Pretty sure Bosch did it, know for a fact Dante did it, and Michelangelo did it AGAIN in The Last Judgement. It seems that was just how creative types trolled people in the Renaissance He also painted the the saint Zacharias using pope Julius II as model. He also painted an angel making the fica sign behind his back:  Don't piss off Michelangelo seems to be the lesson here. Alhazred has a new favorite as of 20:40 on Aug 12, 2023 |
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What's the fica sign Is that what that one dude did in Dante's Inferno and God smote him out of existence
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Aug 12, 2023 20:56
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The angel was throwing up horns yo
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verbal enema posted:What's the fica sign https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fig_sign
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Ah iwas right!!
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Alhazred posted:One of my ancestors was called the Herring Throttler. As the story goes he was an officer and when one of his soldiers didn't do as he said he stuck a herring down his throat. If the name was something like "sillstryparen" he shares that nickname with the front man for the Swedish 70s leftist political rock band/performance ensemble Nationalteatern - Ulf Dageby. Or at least he performed under that name sometimes when doing less serious songs. Like this one that seems to be critical of ABBA for performing in the Eurovision Song Contest or something, I mainly like it for the Gothenburg accent with extremely rolled "r"s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA5-DaCmDWw
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Are Gothenburgers just reverse Scanians? because the Scaniards don't say R at all. It's like they're speaking Swedish with a Danish Accent
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Oh, on an entirely different note (but still with regards to people being horny), the Ottomans had many rulers, some of note (the eponymous Osman, Mehmed II, etc.) and then... some of less well renown. Today, I remembered about the tragedy that was the reign of Ibrahim I, who had the sobriquet 'the Mad' (always a good start). Now, it may not be the case that he was mad, just incredibly inept. Certainly there was a long standing rumour that he had 200+ women in his harem drowned as punishment for one of them sleeping with another man, and no-one owning up, but that is almost certainly made up. However, what was the case, was one of his most favoured concubines, Şivekar Sultan, being sought after by him because she was reportedly the fattest woman in the entirety of the Ottoman empire. So favoured was she that apparently all of the proceeds from Damascus were given directly to her. However, it was not his proclivities to the erotic which did him in. No, his gross maladministration of the empire, which lead to his Grand Vizier being torn limb-from-limb by a rampaging mob and his own mother to approve, and WATCH, him being executed, is why he is known as being one of the worse of the Ottoman sultans.
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Offler posted:If the name was something like "sillstryparen" It was "Sildastruparen", so pretty close.
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Asterite34 posted:Pretty sure Bosch did it, know for a fact Dante did it, and Michelangelo did it AGAIN in The Last Judgement. It seems that was just how creative types trolled people in the Renaissance I would be so owned if Michelangelo painted my likeness and preserved it for all of human history.
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My favourite of those weird depictions is of Saint Christopher with a dog's head. It's a thing in some parts of the Eastern Orthodox Church, but it's had to go underground as Moscow proscribed the main icon depicting that in the 18th century. There's lots of arguments as to why that is, but my favourite is that someone may have misread the Latin term Cananeus, 'Canaanite' as caninus, 'canine' and rolled with it. Though it's just as likely to be associated with cynocephalus, which comes from Pliny the Elder and Diocletian portraying Saint Christopher as a strong, strapping warrior as like someone from Cyrenaica, who were all thought to have the heads of dogs.
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Brawnfire posted:Some court musician snickering to himself as he composes a song with a leitmotif which calls his patron's virility into question The Balled of Sir Scott, Who Did Not Know
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My word, I can't believe I forgot this re. physical misrepresentations of Jewish peoples in European art. Undoubtedly the most famous one of these is Michaelangelo's David, for an extremely obvious reason.
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Samovar posted:My word, I can't believe I forgot this re. physical misrepresentations of Jewish peoples in European art. Undoubtedly the most famous one of these is Michaelangelo's David, for an extremely obvious reason. lol i never thought about that
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Samovar posted:My word, I can't believe I forgot this re. physical misrepresentations of Jewish peoples in European art. Undoubtedly the most famous one of these is Michaelangelo's David, for an extremely obvious reason. I don't know what you mean but I'm going to guess is uncut ?
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Milo and POTUS posted:I don't know what you mean but I'm going to guess is uncut ? Bingo.
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Platystemon posted:I would be so owned if Michelangelo painted my likeness and preserved it for all of human history. I know, the idea sounds like it would be flattering, but do you really want your likeness to be transmitted down to future generations as "that guy crying and screaming as snakes molest him in Hell in The Last Judgement" or "that guy playing a trumpet with his rear end in Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights?" You're not gonna be Adam on the Sistine Chapel ceiling here.
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These days you need to pay good money to get a picture of you playing a trumpet with your rear end.
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zedprime posted:These days you need to pay good money to get a picture of you playing a trumpet with your rear end. Most famous Renaissance painters and other artists charged a pretty buck for their work, too. It wasn't Harry the horse-poo poo-shoveling-guy down the street who got to be buggered by an imp for all eternity in some random painting, I'd wager.
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Asterite34 posted:I know, the idea sounds like it would be flattering, but do you really want your likeness to be transmitted down to future generations as "that guy crying and screaming as snakes molest him in Hell in The Last Judgement" or "that guy playing a trumpet with his rear end in Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights?" Every figure Michelangelo painted looks like a bodybuilder. You'll be remembered by posterity as a guy with killer abs who is coincidentally getting his penis gnawed off by a snake. That falls under the "no such thing as bad press" clause in my book.
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It still happens these days in a way. When Michael Crichton wrote State of Fear, there was one particular journalist who ripped the book and its climate change denialism to shreds. So Crichton got his revenge, by writing the journalist as a character into his next book, and making that character a child abuser. Not in a very subtle way either!
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Pseudohog posted:It still happens these days in a way. When Michael Crichton wrote State of Fear, there was one particular journalist who ripped the book and its climate change denialism to shreds. So Crichton got his revenge, by writing the journalist as a character into his next book, and making that character a child abuser. Not in a very subtle way either! David Drake has done something similar - dozens of times. Charles Platt wrote a review of one of his early military sci-fi novels calling Drake a "voyeur" who had clearly never seen combat. Drake, who fought in Vietnam, was offended. Since then, almost every book he has published includes a character named after Platt. They range from sociopathic murderers to cowardly pederasts, and every variety of villain in between.
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Pseudohog posted:It still happens these days in a way. When Michael Crichton wrote State of Fear, there was one particular journalist who ripped the book and its climate change denialism to shreds. So Crichton got his revenge, by writing the journalist as a character into his next book, and making that character a child abuser. Not in a very subtle way either! IIRC it was a child abuser with a micro penis who was not related to the overall plot of the book at all. Like you said, not very subtle.
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Rent free
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wheatpuppy posted:David Drake has done something similar - dozens of times. Charles Platt wrote a review of one of his early military sci-fi novels calling Drake a "voyeur" who had clearly never seen combat. Drake, who fought in Vietnam, was offended. Since then, almost every book he has published includes a character named after Platt. They range from sociopathic murderers to cowardly pederasts, and every variety of villain in between. Pratt, Spratt, Blatt, Batt, really the list goes on
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In 1897, S.A. Adoree thinks he has the solution to reaching the North Pole: A balloon. He innovates ways of steering it in harsh Arctic winds, as well as raising and lowering the balloon. Alas, this was the Titan of the 19th century. Wikipedia posted:Andrée ignored many early signs of the dangers associated with his balloon plan. Being able to steer the balloon to some extent was essential for a safe journey, but there was much evidence that the drag-rope steering technique he had invented was ineffective. Worse, the polar balloon Örnen (Eagle) was delivered directly to Svalbard from its manufacturer in Paris without being tested. When measurements showed it to be leaking more than expected, Andrée failed to acknowledge the risk. Adoree set off on his expedition. Days, weeks, months, years pass. No one hears from him. quote:The balloon had two means of communication with the outside world: buoys and homing pigeons. The buoys, steel cylinders encased in cork, were intended to be dropped from the balloon into the water or onto the ice, to be carried to civilization by the currents. Only two buoy messages have ever been found. One was dispatched by Andrée on 11 July, a few hours after takeoff, and reads: "Our journey goes well so far. We sail at an altitude of about 250 m (820 ft), at first N 10° east, but later N 45° east [...] Weather delightful. Spirits high."[24] The second was dropped an hour later and gave the height as 600 metres (2,000 ft). Then comes 1930. A sealing vessel comes across something unexpected. It's the remains of the Adoree expedition, complete with bodies, a journal and a camera. There is film in the camera. With that, they're able to piece together what happened in 1897. quote:Free flight lasted for 10 hours and 29 minutes and was followed by another 41 hours of bumpy riding with frequent ground contact before the inevitable final crash.[18] Eagle traveled for two days and three-and-a-half hours altogether, during which time, according to Andrée, none of the three men got any sleep. The definitive landing appears to have been gentle. Neither the men nor the homing pigeons in their wicker cages were hurt, and none of the equipment was damaged, not even the delicate optical instruments and Strindberg's two cameras.[27] They landed at Kvitøya, well beyond civilization. They survive for a bit, but presumably the elements eventually get them. No autopsy was done after the 1930 discovery. The balloon was still 500 miles from the North Pole.
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There is some dark humour in that post, I can't help it. And some 20 years later the italian airship Norge successfully flies to the Northpole.
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