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kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
When we got Wren, we'd been at that house for three years and only in the last year of that really noticed that one of the burner knobs on the rangetop didn't match the rest. Three days after getting him Wren found the missing, matching knob in the back yard, somewhere, somehow.

Dogs??? Mystery

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Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Flesh Forge posted:

Gabriel has found things like bones, rawhide and other stuff that Darla had hidden, gently caress, has to be more than 5 years ago now because her teeth started failing and she couldn't chew them any more and I stopped handing them out. So that reminded me of some good times, and also reminded me to get him some more of that stuff because holy poo poo does he love chewing stuff :3

When I got a new dog during the last couple months of my other dog's life, she was constantly finding his old bones and weird things he had buried in the garden years ago. It was absurd the number of bones she unearthed.

And then after my old boy passed away and was buried in the back yard, she tried digging him up too... He has been cemented in place now.

St_Ides
May 19, 2008
At a few different places we’ve lived, the crows dropped stuff for my dogs all the time. Peanuts and empty peanut shells, bones, random junk.

They love the crows and the crows seem to love them, even though they chase the crows if they’re on the ground.

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

St_Ides posted:

At a few different places we’ve lived, the crows dropped stuff for my dogs all the time. Peanuts and empty peanut shells, bones, random junk.

They love the crows and the crows seem to love them, even though they chase the crows if they’re on the ground.

That's probably part of why the crows love the dogs. Crows will absolutely play chicken with ground predators. Crows give no fucks.

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.
Doggy diarrhea over. Thank god

Today is induction to doggy daycare.

Adrianics
Aug 15, 2006

Affirmative. Yes. Yo. Right on. My man.

grill youre saelf posted:

I tried that same tactic and my pooch, to this day, will chase the cat on sight 90% of the time. We still have a baby gate on the stairs to let the cat escape onto the upper level 5 months later. Good luck and share if you get better results!

Lol, thanks. As long as they can successfully coexist (even if it takes constant management from us) we'll take it as a win :)

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.
So... Freja maybe a little too boisterous for day care. They want to do several more 1 hour sessions to acclimatise her as she's too excited and keeps trying to play even with the dogs that are trying to get away from her.


Any tips? We keep making her sit and wait patiently when we see other dogs out so she has to calm down and control herself, she's doing far better than she was a few weeks ago but still seems to be an issue. She didn't listen to anyone else at the session either so they're a little frustrated she was ignoring everyone.

cryptoclastic
Jul 3, 2003

The Jesus
They didn’t really like my dog at daycare either. Honestly, I prefer her craziness, and am happy they didn’t get her to calm down too much. Now at 2 she still plays like a puppy.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
What do you do for teeth care? Brisket needs some brushing but Lord knows he'll let me do it.
Well he will but I'll probably like and hurt him

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


Adrianics posted:

Our plan of action is to isolate the cat (Clementine) in one room for the first few days to allow her to acclimatize to her new home in peace, and start bringing items of hers down to the lounge where Cosmo generally hangs out for him to sniff. Then it'll be a matter of us being with him on one side of a gate as she starts to explore the house, giving him treats when he's calm. She's going to be an indoor cat and one of us is always working from home on any given day, so we're feeling confident.

Does anyone have any further tips? Here's my Dog Tax:



Good dog.

We had a similar-ish situation - we brought Lady, our dog, into our house with a cat then brought in an adolescent cat after everyone was acclimated. The one step we did that you didn't mention was that when everyone had free roam of the house, we kept the dog on a leash so if she started after the cat we could catch her. We did that until we were certain that Lady and the cats were at least not going to respond to any sort of escalating aggression. She still sometimes pounces toward a cat, but it's in play (even if the cats don't see it that way).

As long as you know the cat's fight-or-flight response is flight (and they have somewhere safe to run), you're fine. If it's fight and the cat throws a claw, the dog might respond in kind just out of surprise, and they can do damage fast.

It took a long time for stuff like this to happen, but it did eventually happen:



In our experience, it went faster with the younger cat. Less fear there, and their play/behavior patterns were still being set. She ended up being much better friends with the dog, and they play a lot, but the older cat (who is pictured there) still tolerates the dog's presence.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Flesh Forge posted:

Gabriel has found things like bones, rawhide and other stuff that Darla had hidden, gently caress, has to be more than 5 years ago now because her teeth started failing and she couldn't chew them any more and I stopped handing them out. So that reminded me of some good times, and also reminded me to get him some more of that stuff because holy poo poo does he love chewing stuff :3

e: in particular he found this toy, which I hadn't seen in something like 8 or 9 years



The only thing that makes Iliana happier than getting a cow ear from me is her excitement when she later finds that same cow ear she hid somewhere in the house. She'll trot around with it showing it off.

I love my goofball

alg
Mar 14, 2007

A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.



Pochi has been building confidence lately. She is really excited to go on walks and sniff around a lot. She did a trial day for day training and did super well, so she will be going to 1 half day a week day training for 12 weeks.

She has started learning to sleep in bed, last night she cuddled up next to me and body blocked me into about 6" of bed all night. She also dreams a lot more than our old dog lol

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Ragnar Gunvald posted:

So... Freja maybe a little too boisterous for day care. They want to do several more 1 hour sessions to acclimatise her as she's too excited and keeps trying to play even with the dogs that are trying to get away from her.


Any tips? We keep making her sit and wait patiently when we see other dogs out so she has to calm down and control herself, she's doing far better than she was a few weeks ago but still seems to be an issue. She didn't listen to anyone else at the session either so they're a little frustrated she was ignoring everyone.

Ideally find a dog who is confident enough to put some manners on her when she ignores dog social etiquette and the signals dogs give when they aren't interested in playing.

That's generally how puppies and adolescent dogs best learn acceptable social behaviour towards other dogs - they get too excited, ignore escalating warnings, then get growled or snapped at and learn to stop pushing things.

That's different from dog aggression, which people sometimes worry about if another dog growls or shows teeth, but adult dogs teaching over enthusiastic pups manners and that they need to pay attention when another dog isn't interested is a normal part of healthy socialisation.

A lot of dogs will respond to an over enthusiastic dog with avoidance signals - turning away, not looking at the other dog, etc. If a dog has a more submissive or fearful temperament, they won't be willing to escalate to a warning and will continue to just be miserable as their body language is ignored. That's why it needs to be a dog who isn't reactive but is confident enough to tell a pup when it's out of line.

cryptoclastic posted:

They didn’t really like my dog at daycare either. Honestly, I prefer her craziness, and am happy they didn’t get her to calm down too much. Now at 2 she still plays like a puppy.

It's not about stamping out playfulness but about appropriate socialisation. If your dog ignores behavioural signals from other dogs, they are obnoxious to any dog who doesn't also want to play like a puppy for exactly as long as yours does.

Not all dogs want to play. Not all dogs want to play rough like an adolescent. A dog needs to be able to recognise and respect when another dog doesn't want to play with them to consider him well socialised and trust him to freely interact with others.

It's not fair for other dogs to be forced to interact with a dog who doesn't pay attention to social cues and continues to be pushy. It can also be dangerous, because sometimes if avoidance signals are ignored too long, a dog can feel trapped and will feel it has no other option but to escalate into aggression.

Enfys fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Aug 18, 2023

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


HootTheOwl posted:

What do you do for teeth care? Brisket needs some brushing but Lord knows he'll let me do it.
Well he will but I'll probably like and hurt him
I got this Arm & Hammer dog toothpaste/toothbrush kit at Petsmart and it works fine. The toothpaste tastes good so they like it. Pickwick is real good about being handled and having fingers etc. in his mouth so it wasn't an issue for him, but I did ease into it by putting some toothpaste on my finger, let him lick that and see it tastes good>Repeat but rub his teeth with my finger, kind of like I'm brushing them> Put some toothpaste on the toothbrush and let him lick that and see that it is good and his friend> put toothbrush with toothpaste in his mouth and let him lick that> toothbrush with toothpaste and very lightly brush outside of teeth. He doesn't just love it, but her doesn't hate it either. It's kind of a pain because he tries to lick the toothbrush as I'm trying to brush. I use the toothbrush, but the little kit came with a brush thing you could put over your finger which might be easier. I should probably brush them more often, but I generally only do it if his breath starts to stink. I give him some sort of dental treat every now and then but I don't know how much they help since he eats them in about 2 minutes and I can't see how they would do too much as far as tooth cleaning in that short time.

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.

Enfys posted:

Ideally find a dog who is confident enough to put some manners on her when she ignores dog social etiquette and the signals dogs give when they aren't interested in playing.

That's generally how puppies and adolescent dogs best learn acceptable social behaviour towards other dogs - they get too excited, ignore escalating warnings, then get growled or snapped at and learn to stop pushing things.

That's different from dog aggression, which people sometimes worry about if another dog growls or shows teeth, but adult dogs teaching over enthusiastic pups manners and that they need to pay attention when another dog isn't interested is a normal part of healthy socialisation.

A lot of dogs will respond to an over enthusiastic dog with avoidance signals - turning away, not looking at the other dog, etc. If a dog has a more submissive or fearful temperament, they won't be willing to escalate to a warning and will continue to just be miserable as their body language is ignored. That's why it needs to be a dog who isn't reactive but is confident enough to tell a pup when it's out of line.

It's not about stamping out playfulness but about appropriate socialisation. If your dog ignores behavioural signals from other dogs, they are obnoxious to any dog who doesn't also want to play like a puppy for exactly as long as yours does.

Not all dogs want to play. Not all dogs want to play rough like an adolescent. A dog needs to be able to recognise and respect when another dog doesn't want to play with them to consider him well socialised and trust him to freely interact with others.

It's not fair for other dogs to be forced to interact with a dog who doesn't pay attention to social cues and continues to be pushy. It can also be dangerous, because sometimes if avoidance signals are ignored too long, a dog can feel trapped and will feel it has no other option but to escalate into aggression.

We actually try to take any opportunities we can for her to play with other dogs who are happy to play with her but we always keep her on her lead when it's a dog we know isn't interested in playing with her etc

She's actually been nipped twice by other dogs for being too excited and not taking their cues when they've clearly told her to piss off already a few times and it's not phased her at all. Even with those two dogs, I think she's a bit dense tbh as she's not learning at much.

Do you think I should try to have her spend some time with one of those dogs again? I have one in mind who's good with her, except the one time he nipped her for trying to steal his stick.

I just, obviously, don't want her getting hurt.

Adrianics
Aug 15, 2006

Affirmative. Yes. Yo. Right on. My man.

Boxman posted:

Good dog.

We had a similar-ish situation - we brought Lady, our dog, into our house with a cat then brought in an adolescent cat after everyone was acclimated. The one step we did that you didn't mention was that when everyone had free roam of the house, we kept the dog on a leash so if she started after the cat we could catch her. We did that until we were certain that Lady and the cats were at least not going to respond to any sort of escalating aggression. She still sometimes pounces toward a cat, but it's in play (even if the cats don't see it that way).

As long as you know the cat's fight-or-flight response is flight (and they have somewhere safe to run), you're fine. If it's fight and the cat throws a claw, the dog might respond in kind just out of surprise, and they can do damage fast.

It took a long time for stuff like this to happen, but it did eventually happen:



In our experience, it went faster with the younger cat. Less fear there, and their play/behavior patterns were still being set. She ended up being much better friends with the dog, and they play a lot, but the older cat (who is pictured there) still tolerates the dog's presence.

This is a great post and has put my mind at ease, thank you :) We purchased a house lead for this very purpose, Cosmo's movements throughout the house are typically very carefully managed so like I said, we're going to take this slow.

God drat do I love that picture of Lady and her furry friend! In our wildest dreams, that'll be Cosmo and Clementine!

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

Enfys posted:

The local corvids love dropping random bones and other misc treasures in my yard, so maybe you've made a crow friend.

That's possible, there are crows around here. The full-sized, completely intact chicken egg is kind of hard to explain though. I guess it could have been a goose egg (we get Canada Geese in the spring), but it sure did look like a large white Grade A egg from the store.

Flesh Forge posted:

Gabriel has found things like bones, rawhide and other stuff that Darla had hidden, gently caress, has to be more than 5 years ago now because her teeth started failing and she couldn't chew them any more and I stopped handing them out. So that reminded me of some good times, and also reminded me to get him some more of that stuff because holy poo poo does he love chewing stuff :3

Kepler used to find tons of old tennis balls that Ahboo had left around the backyard, despite us sweeping the property pretty hard for random objects before adopting him. I know they're Ahboo's because they're the specific brand we used to buy for him.

But Ahboo wasn't one to hide treats or bones, and he rarely wanted to take anything outside unless it was a fetch toy or stuffed animal.

Dogs are weird. I look forward to whatever random item we catch Kepler with next time.

Clowner
Dec 13, 2006

Further in
Looks like we're headed to the vet tomorrow. Little Coco has some irritated skin appearing on her snout and we'd like to get it looked at in case it's anything serious. Looks like this:



Anyone know what we might be looking at? She's pawing at it a little but certainly not enough to suggest she's very bothered by it (and she's teething anyway so who knows if that's actually why she's pawing). Her energy levels/appetite are normal so I'm feeling cautiously optimistic. Cute picture to offset the clinical shot:

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!
Based on experiences with my dogs, I'd guess itchy skin due to allergies (or maybe a reaction to an insect bite or something weird they ate?), which triggered excessive scratching, which led to a skin infection.

When pollen is bad here, Kepler will scratch his ears and mouth like crazy, probably because his throat is super itchy.

The vet should be able to figure it out pretty quickly.

Clowner
Dec 13, 2006

Further in

WhiteHowler posted:

Based on experiences with my dogs, I'd guess itchy skin due to allergies (or maybe a reaction to an insect bite or something weird they ate?), which triggered excessive scratching, which led to a skin infection.

Yeah that was my first guess too. Plenty of biting and stinging bugs around my area and she could easily have chomped on one in the back yard.

Update: yes, allergic reaction to something plus pawing. Cheers y'all.

Clowner fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Aug 20, 2023

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Remember how I said my puppy was a very smiley puppy?



He good.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020


the pressure here is immense...

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

look at my puppy



LOOK AT PUPPY!!!

grill youre saelf
Jan 22, 2006

My puppy threw up today multiple times and had one spout of diarrhea. He won't eat his treats and is now currently chomping on some grass. Did he just eat something that disagreed with him? Eat a toy? How long should I wait before becoming more worried and calling a vet? He otherwise seems just as active and acting normally


We just tried a different method of him pooping while on the leash, so could stress just be causing it?

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Just keep an eye on it. If he’s drinking water and stuff he’s probably fine and he definitely ate something he shouldn’t have.

If it was a toy you’d probably have seen some bits in the throw up.

I’ve had to deal with it a few times because my girl loved to find stuff she shouldn’t eat.

grill youre saelf
Jan 22, 2006

MarcusSA posted:

Just keep an eye on it. If he’s drinking water and stuff he’s probably fine and he definitely ate something he shouldn’t have.

If it was a toy you’d probably have seen some bits in the throw up.

I’ve had to deal with it a few times because my girl loved to find stuff she shouldn’t eat.

Thank you for the reassurance! I just was spraying his diarrhea spot with the hose and found little strands of colored fabric that match this "indestructible chew toy"




I found that dumb donkey torn apart under our couch just now.

grill youre saelf fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Aug 21, 2023

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




“Indestructible” fabric toys are bullshit even for dogs who don’t have gigantic vice grip jaws full of razor fangs, and simply shouldn’t be trusted.

Our Jack Russell/Chihuahua cross will absolutely dismantle any of those things in under 10 minutes no matter how tough it’s supposed to be.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Puppies are required by law to have at least one episode like that in their first year to scare the poo poo out of their owners.

grill youre saelf
Jan 22, 2006

I will keep an eye on it and worriedly pace around until he gets back to normal. Here is an image of my poor sick puppers sitting in his kennel while his bedding is being laundered as a tax.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

The two urgent warning signs are going to be lethargy and not drinking water.

Dogs can be assholes when it comes to eating when they should so I wouldn’t put much stock into it unless
It’s been like days.

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.
My turn again, loving dog is gonna cause me a heart attack...

So, last week we had that crazy episode of her having insane shits for like a day and a half, my Mrs is a nurse, in ICU and she said she's never smelt something so rotten in her life... But it cleared up.

Before that, we have had consistent vomiting on and off for 2 months now, almost 3. Sporadic, Inconsistent, she's been on antibiotics in case she had a chest infection from aspartating her own vomit and she was put on some kind of stomach protecting medication (which funny enough I also take) and it's made the vomiting better, but it's not entirely gone.

This week, the poor puppy has had the right side of her face swell up and her inner eyelid on the right side does not open up entirely either, it's also constantly leaking as if she has something stuck in it.

And just now, she decided to pee in the flat, knowing full well we don't do that anymore, but I'm kinda glad she did as there was blood in it. So back to the vets we go this afternoon...

If I had hair, I'd be tearing it out. I just want a healthy dog.

Edit: photo of poor pupper in the elevator a couple of days ago, post swelling but very clearly still bothering her.

Ragnar Gunvald fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Aug 22, 2023

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Good luck at the vet :ohdear:

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


I'm looking at some board and train options for my 1 yr old Golden retriever to work on a few issues and get some more basic manners/training down than I'm going to have time to work with him on in the next few months. One place which is some family friends have used before has some pictures/videos with dogs in prong collars. The trainer is an AKC judge and been around a very long time. Has programs geared more towards hunting/bird dogs, but also Canine Good Citizen stuff. When I spoke with them on the phone they seemed very interested in finding the program that would meet my and my dog's needs and recommended starting with a meet and greet kind of thing which seemed good. I know basically nothing about prong collars except that they look scary. Are they a huge red flag or okay under the right circumstances or os this a debate for the ages?

Pretty wild cost range between places too-one place is an IAABC certified person and her program is $1000/week vs. this place some friends recommended that a quarter that cost.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I'm looking at some board and train options for my 1 yr old Golden retriever to work on a few issues and get some more basic manners/training down than I'm going to have time to work with him on in the next few months. One place which is some family friends have used before has some pictures/videos with dogs in prong collars. The trainer is an AKC judge and been around a very long time. Has programs geared more towards hunting/bird dogs, but also Canine Good Citizen stuff. When I spoke with them on the phone they seemed very interested in finding the program that would meet my and my dog's needs and recommended starting with a meet and greet kind of thing which seemed good. I know basically nothing about prong collars except that they look scary. Are they a huge red flag or okay under the right circumstances or os this a debate for the ages?

Pretty wild cost range between places too-one place is an IAABC certified person and her program is $1000/week vs. this place some friends recommended that a quarter that cost.
Brisket just got back from a board n train and they used a prong collar.
We haven't had to use it since he got home, but when she showed us how to use it the collar hangs loose and it's just there so when you jerk the leash they HAVE to notice. Brisket doesn't seem to mind. In fact, he's far more opposed to the transitional leash they gave.
When we went back for a progress training, I left the prong collar in my pocket in case they asked about it (they didn't).

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

Prong collar was great for my dog and if they use prongs it means they arent just using e collars to zap a dog into obedience

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Immensely not a fan of either of those
e: tbh if I found out a third party was using poo poo like shock collars on my dog without my knowledge I would be tempted to respond with violence

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that there's significant value in board-and-train. Half of the point of training is teaching you how to tell the dog what you want, and how to avoid confusing them. The dog might come back from training with new knowledge of how they're supposed to act, but if you don't play into that training properly, it's not going to do much good.

Plus, it's easier for the dog to learn if they're in a familiar and comfortable environment, with someone they know and trust. Or equivalently, it's hard for them to learn when they've been separated from family and are in a new environment surrounded by unfamiliar dogs.

Ragnar Gunvald
May 13, 2015

Cool and good.

Flesh Forge posted:

Immensely not a fan of either of those
e: tbh if I found out a third party was using poo poo like shock collars on my dog without my knowledge I would be tempted to respond with violence

Couldn't agree more my goonsir. Same with the post above, it's as much a learning experience for you as it is for the pup.



Vet update: she likely had an eye infection or possibly her eyelashes are trying to grow Inwards and she may need corrective surgery, I think it's the former as she sometimes likes to climb under male dogs as they're marking things and she's got peed on a couple of times now. We will see.

She also has a UTI, so vet wants to focus on those 2 things first and see if the pooping is a non issue, while continuing the current treatment for her vomiting. They feel it could be one of those lifetime daily drug situations for her, just to manage it, but they don't want to run any scans for the time being either unless it gets much worse.

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H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
I had Whiskey on a slip leash for a while and it was fantastic.

BEAR IN MIND: He was already 30ish kg when we first used it. I absolutely wouldn't use one on a small puppy.

But the slip leash only gets tight when we're on a walk and he dives off without warning. He does it a few times, but then after that very patiently walks beside me, loose leash and sits down to "ask" to sniff any interesting things.

So it's only "mean" when he's misbehaving. And since he's a 30+kg good boy, it's not hurting him in any significant way. He doesn't notice that he's doing the wrong thing on a normal leash, but with the slip leash he understands.

So 98% of the time, it's a normal leash. The 2% of the time he charges off at something, which we really really don't want him to do? He finally is getting corrected in a way which he understands.

I don't like the idea of prongs myself, but if you've got a big boy, I think a slip leash isn't a terrible idea.

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