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The longest flight I've had I think was Frankfurt (or Munich?)- Seattle at around 10 hours on a Dreamliners. I can't sleep properly anywhere but in my bed without medicating myself but it was ok. I am sometimes tempted to upgrade but it's such a huge difference in prices that I could instead take extra unpaid leave and book a resort for a week to relax afterwards rather than shelling it out for a slightly nicer 10 hours in a tin can.
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slidebite posted:Planning a personal trip along with a group (not work related) to Seoul next summer... and find myself seriously considering bucking up for business in the Air Canada 787 for the 11 hour flight. It's about another $5K on top of the econo fare I mean, sure if you can afford it...but you'll be jetlagged anyway and 11 hours ain't that bad and KAL is usually pretty decent.
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slidebite posted:Planning a personal trip along with a group (not work related) to Seoul next summer... and find myself seriously considering bucking up for business in the Air Canada 787 for the 11 hour flight. It's about another $5K on top of the econo fare I’m currently on my last leg (thank you in flight Wi-Fi) on a trip from Singapore to SFO to DFW on United. I flew premium economy there and business on the way back on their 787-9 on the leg between SFO and SIN. The flight was just under 16 hours on the way back and just over 16 on the way there. Premium economy was pretty drat good even on a 16 hour flight. I was able to sleep maybe 4 or 5 hours on the way there and wasn’t too cramped. Business class was in another league, I slept for 10 hours and it was more restful. Im sure air Canada is the same deal. That said I paid around 1k to upgrade from premium economy to business for that leg. 1k was definite worth it for nearly 16 hours. Not as certain for 2k+ for 11 hours. You may consider just buying economy and stalking upgrades each day and seeing if you can upgrade cheap closer to travel. The 787 is just a great airplane. Quiet and comfortable. I could be crazy but I think I can feel the pressure difference of the cabin Vs other aircraft.
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slidebite posted:Planning a personal trip along with a group (not work related) to Seoul next summer... and find myself seriously considering bucking up for business in the Air Canada 787 for the 11 hour flight. It's about another $5K on top of the econo fare
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Cinrac posted:The 787 is just a great airplane. Quiet and comfortable. I could be crazy but I think I can feel the pressure difference of the cabin Vs other aircraft. You aren’t crazy, the pressurization delta is very high on the 787 compared to other commercial aircraft.
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Corn Burst posted:You aren’t crazy, the pressurization delta is very high on the 787 compared to other commercial aircraft. The A350 is about the same, 5,500 feet. When 787s and A350s first got introduced on routes I flew regularly I noticed a substantial difference in quality of sleep - and I was doing multiple times a month on same flights so I had the transat routine down to a loving science, so it was pretty well controlled. ImplicitAssembler posted:I mean, sure if you can afford it...but you'll be jetlagged anyway and 11 hours ain't that bad and KAL is usually pretty decent. brother man is doing Air Canada so let's all say a little prayer for him I've paid a couple hundred for a premium economy upgrade but can't bring myself to pay for business class unless it's with miles or OPM.
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Aug 21, 2023 23:30
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hobbesmaster posted:This is where looking up seat info helps: AC runs 31” economy with 17” seat width in economy and Korean does 33-34”. That’s a huge difference evil_bunnY posted:How many more day in a nice Seoul hotel does 5k buy you? KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The A350 is about the same, 5,500 feet. When 787s and A350s first got introduced on routes I flew regularly I noticed a substantial difference in quality of sleep - and I was doing multiple times a month on same flights so I had the transat routine down to a loving science, so it was pretty well controlled. I did do a LH A350, and it was pretty nice. But yeah, I am on the fence here. Since we're flying as a group rate my upgrade abilities will likely be severely restricted, if there are any at all. So if I don't do it now, I will probably be SOL. It'll probably be somewhere between 4-5K adder. Which, for over 24 hours on aircraft (12+ both ways) is the internal calculation I need to do. I could fly there on my own and meet with the group in ICN later (potentially via a US departure if I wanted), but I would prefer to all get there together. I have approx a week to decide.
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i would unironically pay double or more to have the anesthetizing cubby-bed flight from the fifth element. i probably wouldn't even need the auto-sleep function, i'd probably be out before pushback
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OMGVBFLOL posted:i would unironically pay double or more to have the anesthetizing cubby-bed flight from the fifth element. i probably wouldn't even need the auto-sleep function, i'd probably be out before pushback Just imagining the checkbox during the booking process that has legalese absolving the airline from culpability if the maintenance on the anesthesia kills you. Just seems like something to *not* entrust to the lowest bidding contractor.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Just imagining the checkbox during the booking process that has legalese absolving the airline from culpability if the maintenance on the anesthesia kills you. "Welcome to Southern Airways! Looks like you chose our Knock-out Class. Great! Step this way, please." "Wait, what?! I asked for the Anest-" *thumpthumpthump* "Thanks, Gary. Just pile that one in the corner, if you would. Cheap-rear end motherfuckers."
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well maybe if that idiot with the iphone alarm going off had turned off his personal electronic devices!
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The YT comments had a few nuggets of useful info buried in the usual trash. I learned that John Wayne has a very short runway for landing things the size of a 737, just barely enough for regulations. The tropical storm conditions meant the flight crew would have been aiming for a firm touchdown, since floating it in risks hydroplaning and uses up runway they needed for braking. Finally, gusty crosswinds require increased Vref, putting even more pressure on nailing the desired touchdown point and getting on the brakes ASAP. It'll be interesting to see the NTSB report. Prediction: a combo of "in these conditions you should have diverted to a longer runway, dumbasses", and "too much workload on approach leads to a late flare".
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It’s not the gentlest touchdown that anyone has ever made, but I’m still surprised that it resulted in that.
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Now I know why the 737 engines have a flat bottom.
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Just make the USS John Wayne real and install arresting gear and catapults. Southwest thinks it’s there anyway 
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hobbesmaster posted:Just make the USS John Wayne real and install arresting gear and catapults. Hmmm, now legs just put arrestors at airports... will shorten up the taxiing to gate times
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Humphreys posted:Hmmm, now legs just put arrestors at airports... will shorten up the taxiing to gate times "Seatbelts!"  "You wanna end up like Gary Busey?" 
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BobHoward posted:The YT comments had a few nuggets of useful info buried in the usual trash. I learned that John Wayne has a very short runway for landing things the size of a 737, just barely enough for regulations. The tropical storm conditions meant the flight crew would have been aiming for a firm touchdown, since floating it in risks hydroplaning and uses up runway they needed for braking. Finally, gusty crosswinds require increased Vref, putting even more pressure on nailing the desired touchdown point and getting on the brakes ASAP. I mean, the 737 used to service CYCG, 5700' should be loving fine.
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PT6A posted:I mean, the 737 used to service CYCG, 5700' should be loving fine. What model though? Modern 737s are very big and very heavy. Because of that they have a very fast Vref speed. I’d much rather go into a short field airport in a 757 than a 737.
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It depends on the 737. The Max is dogshit at stopping (and a lot of other things). Previous models were better at stopping. SNA's 02L/20R is 5700'. A Max (at MLW) takes significantly more than 6000' to stop on a wet runway Boeing made such a huge mistake making the Max instead of a clean sheet design. A mistake that size should have and would have wiped out a smaller company. St_Ides fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Aug 22, 2023 |
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St_Ides posted:It depends on the 737. Type certificates are a hell of a drug.
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Midjack posted:Type certificates are a hell of a drug. Weren’t they planning on a new design and the customers were against it? The max is definitely poo poo though. Climbs noticeably worse than other variants.
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fknlo posted:Weren’t they planning on a new design and the customers were against it? The joke is Southwest specifically were against it.
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St_Ides posted:It depends on the 737. the one in the video is an -800, according to avherald BobHoward posted:The YT comments had a few nuggets of useful info buried in the usual trash. in addition, one comment I saw said that airport has a hard no-more-arrivals time of 2315, and they touched down at 2314 so add some "only one chance, do it" on top, if that's true Psion fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Aug 22, 2023 |
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Psion posted:the one in the video is an -800, according to avherald At close to sea level and STP, an 800 still takes a minimum of over 5300' at its max braking power on a wet runway. It can't do less than 5700' using auto brakes on a wet runway.
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Psion posted:the one in the video is an -800, according to avherald Yeah, SNA got one of the last NIMBY curfews slapped on it before the feds arrogated curfew rule setting.
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why is there always a karting place near the airport
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OMGVBFLOL posted:why is there always a karting place near the airport Cheap warehouse space, readily accessible by highway.
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Full Collapse posted:The joke is Southwest specifically were against it. Wasn’t the story more “we won’t switch orders away from 737s”? ie, they’d only be interested in a new engine option if it was on a 737, otherwise they’d stick with NG orders?
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St_Ides posted:Boeing made such a huge mistake making the Max instead of a clean sheet design. A mistake that size should have and would have wiped out a smaller company. I recently learnt that the 737 NG is prone to icing up its own upper wing surface after landing when it lands in humid local conditions after a long flight. The cold-soaked fuel in the wing tanks is in contact with the upper surface of the wing and acts like a huge freezer coil. This is particular to NGs (possibly MAXs too?) because the fuel tanks were moved outboard and made wider but flatter to accommodate longer landing gear required to provide tailstrike clearance on the longer NG fuselage. This puts a much greater surface area of cold fuel near the wing surface and at relatively lower fuel quantities compared to the 737 Classic. The workaround was Boeing published an upper limit for how much fuel to have on arrival in humid conditions and guidance for flight crews to estimate how much coverage of ice in on the upper wing based on ice formation on the lower wing surface. That nifty idea from the mid-60s about giving the 737 short landing gear and hanging the low-bypass engines just off the ground so it wouldn't need baggage handling equipment really boxed them in in so many ways, didn't it?
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BalloonFish posted:That nifty idea from the mid-60s about giving the 737 short landing gear and hanging the low-bypass engines just off the ground so it wouldn't need baggage handling equipment really boxed them in in so many ways, didn't it? Yeah but they’ll all be moved to freighter duty within the decade, with supersonic planes taking over the passenger market. 
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So is it safe to say that the Max will be the last revision of the 737? I wonder if they would really use 797 for a new smaller design or they’ll come up with a new naming convention
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david_a posted:So is it safe to say that the Max will be the last revision of the 737? At this point any completely-new-build Boeing plane would be just as big of a clusterfuck as their revised designs.
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hobbesmaster posted:Wasn’t the story more “we won’t switch orders away from 737s”? ie, they’d only be interested in a new engine option if it was on a 737, otherwise they’d stick with NG orders? To be honest, the rumor I heard was Southwest were going to start buying Airbuses if the new 737 required a different type rating.
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david_a posted:So is it safe to say that the Max will be the last revision of the 737? Management pulls off their mask and the new plane is the MD-12.
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Feels like it will be 20 years until we see a new Boeing model. Bring back the 757 and slap some new engines on it.
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