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Cartoon Man posted:I love that they got the actor who played one of the subordinate doctors on House (in the later seasons) to be the head guy at the ship factory. I always liked that dude. Peter Jacobson. He also had a bunch of memorable appearances on Law & Order as a defense attorney (Randy Dworkin), and was in an episode of Scrubs as a patient who dies under their care, and probably a billion other little things just like this. fartknocker fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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ShowTime posted:Going off the past pages of comments, from release until now, i'm guessing it's really bad and no one wants to say it? i went back as many pages as it takes to get to the premiere and its a lot of "well, they did this" and "wasn't so bad". It's like a lot making excuses and trying to find a redeeming quality in a series thats been out for, like 3 hours. Should I even bother watching? Your comments all the reviews i've ready are just abyssmal. It's looking really bad. I wanna ignore the reviews and make my own judgement, but your comments in this thread are not making it easy. Nah, it's not BAD. Obviously we won't know for sure until the whole thing develops, but it's a perfectly fine Star War. Just a little plodding at times and, like I said, Filoni's Rebels universe is very empty. There are plenty of good action scenes and the acting from Sabine, Huyang, Ahsoka, and Baylan is good. I do agree with whoever said Mary Elizabeth Winstead may have been miscast as Hera. I like the actress, but Hera is portrayed here and in Rebels as kind of a grounded, pragmatic, maternal character and I just don't really buy that from MEW. That role has kind of flipped to Ahsoka, but they're still acting like she should be listening to Hera's advice and if you haven't seen Rebels I can imagine being confused as to why a super-powerful Jedi is constantly consulting this rando general. edit: Ahsoka is supposed to be around 45 years old and Hera is around 38. Which is pretty close to the actual actresses' ages.
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At first from a distance I thought it was Tony Shaloub with a buzzcut but quickly realized who the slimy guy was.
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This morning I realized just how spoiled I was by Andor. I really liked having new characters (who were fleshed out characters, to boot), new planets and worlds I had never been to before, plus the fact that the shower really didn't need you to have consumed that much Star Wars media beforehand. But now it's back to the usual - seeing a lot of the same faces and places over and over again, making, a large galaxy feel weirdly small. That, and all the backstory we've built up from the past shows that these characters have already appeared in makes it feel a little heavy already off the bat. Again, it's a pretty drat big galaxy - not everyone and everything necessarily needs to be connected. We can have stories in new places with new, or at least new-ish people. And we now know that we can tell good stories in this world without ever having to refer to Jedi or the force. I'm not saying this won't be fun - it's more that it's a little hard watching these shows when I know that more is definitely possible. I'll keep up with the episodes for now, though at the moment it'll mostly be out of the hope that I will get to see even more Chopper scenes. IBroughttheFunk fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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There's an odd thread from the end of the second episode I was curious about; The Eye's technology inside the ship is... different. Not bad, or wrong, but there's a style to Star Wars technology that's consistent across the board even between Imperial and Republic tech, and while they're clearly plugging in whatever they can to a degree, that hologram system isn't... normal and the general look of the interior's quite unique as well. I'm probably reading too much into it, but has that fancy particle-y hologram appearance turned up anywhere else? Clone Wars etc?
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I feel like it's a little telling that the character who seems to be getting the most universal praise, baylan, is one of the few genuinely new ones
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Neddy Seagoon posted:There's an odd thread from the end of the second episode I was curious about; The Eye's technology inside the ship is... different. Not bad, or wrong, but there's a style to Star Wars technology that's consistent across the board even between Imperial and Republic tech, and while they're clearly plugging in whatever they can to a degree, that hologram system isn't... normal and the general look of the interior's quite unique as well. I'm probably reading too much into it, but has that fancy particle-y hologram appearance turned up anywhere else? Clone Wars etc? The design language is very reminiscent of how Chiss technology is described in the books if I’m remembering correctly
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It always kind of blew my mind that Star Wars* was set in a single galaxy (far far away, a long time ago) and the kind of casual reveal that they're going to another galaxy presumably this season felt like it should have been a bigger deal? * Star Trek too, I know galaxies are REALLY loving BIG so it's silly to feel like the respective series are limiting themselves, but it does make me think about how much else is going on in the universe completely unrelated to the big stuff like "The Force" which supposedly makes up and surrounds and is part of EVERYTHING.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:There's an odd thread from the end of the second episode I was curious about; The Eye's technology inside the ship is... different. Not bad, or wrong, but there's a style to Star Wars technology that's consistent across the board even between Imperial and Republic tech, and while they're clearly plugging in whatever they can to a degree, that hologram system isn't... normal and the general look of the interior's quite unique as well. I'm probably reading too much into it, but has that fancy particle-y hologram appearance turned up anywhere else? Clone Wars etc? Looks like witch tech.
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But yeah. Like This show is good so far. Like Mando Season 1 was good. Andor is literally like the best genre TV I've ever seen. Comparing poo poo to Andor is a fools errand, as like it goes toe to toe with some of the best individual seasons of TV ever. This show so far has been fun star wars. It's not anything special yet, but like it at least feels like it has characters interacting and being characters vs just vehicles for the plot. Which is something that Boba Fett, and everything but a few scenes of Obi-Wan, and most of Season 3 of Mando couldn't clear. Like have high expectations if you want, but if Andor is the bar you are looking to clear, you are setting yourself up to be disappointed with like 80-90% of TV shows.
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Oh also I don't think it's a ship, it'll be a Hypergate. Something to throw open and let Thrawn arrive in through.Jerusalem posted:It always kind of blew my mind that Star Wars* was set in a single galaxy (far far away, a long time ago) and the kind of casual reveal that they're going to another galaxy presumably this season felt like it should have been a bigger deal? I think everyone's holding a blaster with a hair-trigger to the head of this show, listening for the syllable "Yuu" to be uttered in the We all remember what happened the last time another galaxy was introduced...
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Neddy Seagoon posted:We all remember what happened the last time another galaxy was introduced... I don't! ....what happened? 
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Jerusalem posted:I don't! ....what happened? 
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Jerusalem posted:It always kind of blew my mind that Star Wars* was set in a single galaxy (far far away, a long time ago) and the kind of casual reveal that they're going to another galaxy presumably this season felt like it should have been a bigger deal? There's so much other baggage involved that it gets dragged down, but I think the old EU did this single aspect pretty well. Even with star wars technology reaching another galaxy was an enormously difficult effort of multiple generations, and the people from the other galaxy were so deeply alien that it was a believably huge challenge to understand them. Going there instantaneously through what is shaping up to be a marvel portal in the sky instead is a pretty good symbol of where we're at with disney wars. Hopefully they can pull out some surprises but I feel like where it is going is pretty predictable (thrawn is oppressing whatever species there, ezra joined them and is their hero, etc etc)
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Jerusalem posted:I don't! ....what happened? New Jedi Order and the Yuuzhan Vong.
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Was that guy hoping to kill Vader by making him laugh so much his respirator couldn't keep up?  Neddy Seagoon posted:New Jedi Order and the Yuuzhan Vong. Oh it's something from the books apparently? Didn't Knights of the Old Republic 2 say Revan from the first game went to another galaxy too? Then they never made a third game so 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:New Jedi Order and the Yuuzhan Vong. I am going to literally guffaw if they bring the Vong into this.
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Trip report after the first 2 episodes: I have not seen any of the animated series stuff, I vaguely know who Thrawn is since I read this thread, and I felt like the show made the premise pretty clear. Get the band back together, see if our bassist is still alive somewhere, and a huge Empire rear end in a top hat might be hiding out, let's git'im. I don't really care about anyone in our main cast yet since I've only seen Ahsoka in Mando and she was a bit of a rude lady there (I know, I know, standard Jedi aloofness, etc.), but I didn't think any of them were bad characters per se, either. The cat... Creature wasn't very cute, but Chopper was okay with their tiny t-rex arms. Top cuteness award so far goes to the droid in one of the traffic cop ships though, little thing was so scared Cartoon Man posted:I love that they got the actor who played one of the subordinate doctors on House (in the later seasons) to be the head guy at the ship factory. I always liked that dude. I thought it was funny that the first episode had 2 actors who were baddies in Shawshank.
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CornHolio posted:I am going to literally guffaw if they bring the Vong into this. But introducing the Yuuzhan Vong is where I leave.
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The plot was definitely not hard to understand without cartoon background. The emotional aspect I think was most missing some backfill for new entries, and to be fair maybe they will explore it later, is what was so great about ezra. As an outsider, from what little we saw of him in eg his hologram he seemed pretty generic to me
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I also take a lot of offense by how they keep referencing Ahsoka as a former Jedi Knight. Even the opening scrawl mentioned it. She is no Jedi.
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Jerusalem posted:Was that guy hoping to kill Vader by making him laugh so much his respirator couldn't keep up? I think that was a lovely character from the lovely Young Jedi Knights books who just randomly shows up in a lovely New Jedi Order novel as Prince or Lord something or the other, who is introduced like a video game mini boss for Jacen Solo or someone to kill. I wish I could get those hours of my life back reading about the bad Cenobite fan fiction that is the Yuuzhan Vong. Edit : except for the time Corran? murked a YV through the eye by pressing the ‘double lightsaber length’ button. That was pretty cool. Also getting Yuuzhan Vong vibes from the key in this show, which might as well be the Hellraiser cube in sphere form. As for the episodes themselves, they were in sore need of editing. It felt like 1.5 hours of content padded out to 2, like they couldn’t quite fit a single episode and so had to add extra dead seconds of actors standing around doing nothing, and added dead space between dialogue to the point where it felt like they were forgetting lines. Or maybe everyone but Sabine and Huyang were phoning it in, who knows. Goreld fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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CornHolio posted:I also take a lot of offense by how they keep referencing Ahsoka as a former Jedi Knight. Even the opening scrawl mentioned it. To be fair, Luke never officially got his Masters' Degree but he's strutting around all,"I'm a Jedi Master" because there's nobody left around who can say he's not qualified. Take THAT, dad! Well, I mean, Yoda could force project and tell him off, but he probably finds the whole thing too funny to interrupt his afterlife of chilling and watching people gently caress everything up.
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I do love the little EU deep cuts Filoni drops in. Eye of Sion, anyone? 
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Jerusalem posted:Didn't Knights of the Old Republic 2 say Revan from the first game went to another galaxy too? Then they never made a third game so The only Star Wars book I’ve read was actually the incredibly lovely Revan book chronicling this adventure, and IIRC he just went deep into uncharted parts of the outer rim, not another galaxy.
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Jerusalem posted:Was that guy hoping to kill Vader by making him laugh so much his respirator couldn't keep up? No, that was this guy 
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I mean, I loved everything about it, but it was definitely a slow build up prologue. That's fine, though. I can wait. I'm having a great time. As everyone has been saying, it's definitely Rebel season 5, but I love Rebels, so I have no problem with that, personally. I want to hear more from people who didn't watch Rebels, though. Couple quick notes, Sabine literally says that she doesn't have Ezra's skills or "talents". I don't think she can use the Force. I like that Sabine didn't want to celebrate with everyone else, because to her it's not a day of celebration, it's the anniversary of the day she lost a dear friend. That felt real. A few people pointed out that the Inquisitor should be "someone", because otherwise why would he have a mask? But like, that's not exactly rare for the Inquisitors. I know the 8th Brother never took off his mask. Most of them had "who gives a poo poo" backgrounds. Like, maybe he's someone important, or maybe he's just a new character who is a leftover Inquisitor looking for a "new beginning", as Baylan said. Ray Stevenson loving killing it. Gone too soon. The actress playing Shin is doing great as well. Commands the screen anytime she shows up. I agree that the interior of the Eye of Sion at the end of episode 2 looks...off. Way different design than we've seen before, including the holograms. Could be a Nightsister thing, have we seen one of their ships before? I forget. Could be Chiss. But I do think (preview talk) that's the ship we see Thrawn walking in from the trailer, the one shot where we only saw the back of his head?  I think it's the same one? Or at least very similar? That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure I'll think of more. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 23, 2023 |
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I think I faded out of the cartoons before I had a chance to get to the meat of these characters. Overall the pacing in the first episode was really distracting, to the point where I was checking my phone during some of the more drawn out lulls. Second episode definitely felt tighter. Nothing to put me off watching from here on out. Acting was hit or miss, but I think some of that was a bit of cheese writing and the actors doing the best with what they had. I didn't really buy Sabine and Ahsoka's return to the jedi pair dynamic... It felt really abrupt and unearned, but I get that they have to get on with the plot in a limited-episode TV series so they can't just stretch out the personal reflection and soul searching for ages. By no means do I think that the fact Sabine is padawan again is the end of that particular plot and they'll poke and prod at it though the whole run with teeithing issues and "was this a good idea" on both sides -- it's the whole "ok I'm ready to be trained again" that felt jarring. Would I have written it differently? Maybe I would have had Sabine just go along to help and over the arc become more comfortable with being a Jedi padawan until the season finale when she declares her readiness. But I'm not paid a pittance of a bottom dollar to write for D+ so it's all armchair quarterbacking.. It's fine, I'm excited for next week.
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A galaxy far, far away. Or the next one. Scratch that, maybe the galaxy after the next galaxy.
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some kinda jackal posted:I think I faded out of the cartoons before I had a chance to get to the meat of these characters. I felt like a lot of the acting was actually pretty listless. Maybe the lines were cheesy, but if you’re someone who feels abandoned and/or abandoned someone, and feels guilt over someone’s death, conversations are not ‘both people casually talking at each other with normal eye contact’ delivery. A real person would likely either be very avoidant in conversation or show some sort of emotion. Maybe the direction is for Ahsoka to be a more emotionless jaded master of the arts, or maybe Rosario was trying to have a 50 yard stare, but it felt more like she was just talking at a cardboard box with a bored stare. The only facial expression she made was a grimace when chopping a droid in half. Then again, maybe it was just the awkward delay between exchanges in dialogue. If you have beef with someone or survivors guilt you’re not going to carefully consider words for 3 seconds before replying. Or at least it seemed that way to me.
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ShowTime posted:A galaxy far, far away. Hmmm... They've covered 'a long time ago' with introducing time travel, and they've covered 'a galaxy far away' now by introducing other galaxies... maybe they're going to do Star Wars: The Voyage Home?
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CornHolio posted:Hmmm... They've covered 'a long time ago' with introducing time travel, and they've covered 'a galaxy far away' now by introducing other galaxies... maybe they're going to do Star Wars: The Voyage Home? Finding Earth may be the one thing that would make me walk away from Star Wars. And I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I really hope they're not that dumb. Please don't be that dumb.
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Thrawn and Caprica-Six walking around a shopping mall in modern day US
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ShowTime posted:Going off the past pages of comments, from release until now, i'm guessing it's really bad and no one wants to say it? i went back as many pages as it takes to get to the premiere and its a lot of "well, they did this" and "wasn't so bad". It's like a lot making excuses and trying to find a redeeming quality in a series thats been out for, like 3 hours. Should I even bother watching? Your comments all the reviews i've ready are just abyssmal. It's looking really bad. I wanna ignore the reviews and make my own judgement, but your comments in this thread are not making it easy. It's good to very good, but it's not great. Everybody seems to have been getting more and more into it as the two episodes progressed. I do agree that this was an extended - and slow - prologue to a season with only 8 episodes, which strikes me as a bad idea. By this point in Obi-Wan, we knew we were in or a rough ride. Here we can see a lot of poo poo is going to go down over the next six episodes. It could suck, but we're all going to be sitting down to ep 3 with drinks and snacks, ready for a ride. Two other things. I think the big ring thing is designed to move something medium-sized really, really fast. It has hyperspace ring vibes, not gate vibes. For Hera, I'm getting a sense of a pulp heroine from a serial set in the 40s. That's a bit of a different tone from everyone else, so it stands out as awkward. We'll see how it goes. Sabine's portrayal started a little rough, so here's hoping Hera's picks up too.
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Yeah this was my gripe too. I love a slow build, but this just felt like every scene had a ton of dead air for no real reason. There's actually plenty of interesting plot/world building/characterization in these two episodes, but it doesn't quite feel like it because all the long pauses make it feel super padded.
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