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Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

delfin posted:

So I'm assuming that my gameplan for Shinobu should be:

1) take her to 90 ASAP
2) farm up four-piece Paradise Lost, and pray for EM drops on goblet and hat
3) if a better weapon than Iron Sting drops for her, use it. Debating about stealing Festering Desire from Jean.
4) pray for some luck to get Yelan to drop for me before her banner ends, which will take a miracle

1) Yeah
2) Gilded Dreams
3) Iron Sting is perfectly fine on her as is the Inazuma event Umbrella if you have it, but if you have Freedom Sworn or Xiphos' Moonlight from the banners, those are her best-in-slot
4) Xinqiu or any AoE hydro will do just fine

Basically she's great for hyperbloom in melee range because her skill dishes out Electro like crazy and if she's stacked with EM she does a ton of hyperbloom damage. Only downside is that her skill makes her take damage but it also heals so you can heal her once all the fighting is done pretty easily. Her heals and damage also scale with HP% so you should focus on that for substats.

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delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!

NBA FAN !!!!!!! posted:

Gilded Dreams domain is better because deep wood is useful on most dendro characters whereas the off set on the other domain is useful on anemo main dps (of which there are two)

So I should run Spire to get Deepwood for... characters that aren't the one I'm farming for?

Gilded's EM bonus would help, but Paradise looks custom-made for a Hyperbloom specialist, and from all I've heard, that's what Shinobu is.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Yes. But hyperbloom ended up so op thaat they had to nerf FoPL pre-release and now its barely ever better than gilded. Even gcsim puts gilded on kuki because it boosts stray aggravates more. I have lots of FoPL and my kuki is on gilded too.

FoPL is unambiguously an upgrade on Thoma and for Nilou comps but on the order of like 2-3%.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Aug 23, 2023

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Shinobu's healing also scales with EM once you get her A4 passive

just get EM

Sanctifying Ring's abilities will be boosted based on Shinobu's Elemental Mastery:

Healing amount will be increased by 75% of Elemental Mastery.
DMG dealt is increased by 25% of Elemental Mastery.

Incoherence
May 22, 2004

POYO AND TEAR

delfin posted:

So I should run Spire to get Deepwood for... characters that aren't the one I'm farming for?
Presumably the idea is that you picked up a bunch of stray Gilded pieces while previously farming Deepwood for Nahida or whoever, so you don't have to farm that domain as much (and you can use Deepwood upgrades for those other characters as well).

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

I want to take her mask off

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Shrine maiden skin for her when :argh:

delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!

Incoherence posted:

Presumably the idea is that you picked up a bunch of stray Gilded pieces while previously farming Deepwood for Nahida or whoever, so you don't have to farm that domain as much (and you can use Deepwood upgrades for those other characters as well).

Nah. I have just enough Deepwood to 4p my Tighnari and (kind of) my MC. Tigh and Kirara are my main Dendro flingers, and Kirara's definitely not running Deepwood.

haypliss
Oct 2, 2022
I recycled all my Flop pieces from living in that domain, because figuring out who wanted the set seemed like too much of a headache. :nyoron:

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face
Finally got enough plants to ascend Lynette to 80/90 when I learn that apparently you can harvest their seeds and grow them in the teapot :negative:

I haven't looked up if any of the other plants are useful for any of the other characters, but if they are, maybe check to see if they're farmable to speed things up? I know it's only been like a week but it's still annoying lol

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

haypliss posted:

I recycled all my Flop pieces from living in that domain, because figuring out who wanted the set seemed like too much of a headache. :nyoron:
anyone who does dendro em reactions really

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

delfin posted:

Nah. I have just enough Deepwood to 4p my Tighnari and (kind of) my MC. Tigh and Kirara are my main Dendro flingers, and Kirara's definitely not running Deepwood.

Tighnari likes Wanderer's Troupe way more so if you have a bunch of them from boss fights you might want to look into leveling those up.

Incoherence
May 22, 2004

POYO AND TEAR

Excelzior posted:

Shrine maiden skin for her when :argh:
I was so disappointed when, in her hangout quest, Yae didn't make her wear a shrine maiden outfit.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

this will be doubly triggering to some but I use a FOPL em set on Raiden sometimes :getin:

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Stare-Out posted:

Tighnari likes Wanderer's Troupe way more so if you have a bunch of them from boss fights you might want to look into leveling those up.
Tighnari is much better with Deepwood if there arent any deepwood holders on your team. I actually have Haitham, Nahida, and Tighnari all on deepwood so I dont have to swap ever.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

No Wave posted:

Tighnari is much better with Deepwood if there arent any deepwood holders on your team.

Sure but why would you do that to the poor fella?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Excelzior posted:

this will be doubly triggering to some but I use a FOPL em set on Raiden sometimes :getin:
why would that be weird thats her BiS for her best teams

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

heh, check this out, nerds: i use vv on kazuha

Peanut3141
Oct 30, 2009

Excelzior posted:

this will be doubly triggering to some but I use a FOPL em set on Raiden sometimes :getin:

My Kokomi and Raiden share a lot of FOPL pieces depending on whether I'm running Nilou bloom or hyperbloom.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

MoonCrab posted:

Finally got enough plants to ascend Lynette to 80/90 when I learn that apparently you can harvest their seeds and grow them in the teapot :negative:

I haven't looked up if any of the other plants are useful for any of the other characters, but if they are, maybe check to see if they're farmable to speed things up? I know it's only been like a week but it's still annoying lol

Lyney uses the roses, but those are somewhat easier to find, I think. And I'm sure that everything besides marcottes will be necessary next patch. It's a shame that you have to have the seed box "out," not merely in your quickswitch palette to actually get its benefits.

Real Cool Catfish posted:

I only just noticed this in the crafting menu where you convert billets, but you can disassemble clockwork fish for a lot of the clockwork parts that Lynette uses for talents/levelling.

This is good tech though, guess I'll have to get on that/hope I got the bait for them. I also saw some weird fish gadget in the fisherman shop, but the description didn't seem like it did anything useful. I assume I'm wrong about that?

Space Opera posted:

I have to say, I am really appreciating being able to complete each of Fontaine's large world quests in a single evening. The aranara are cute and I would die for them but good god that quest line went on forever and ever. It feels like there is so much less busy work and padding in Fontaine.

I feel like a lot of the world quests take like 2–3 times as long as a single 'part' of most of the aranara stuff, it's just not laid out all in a single massive line. Hell, I even found an annoying loop thing, made worse because it's unvoiced and I still had to wait for paimon to stop floating around before I could advance to the next line of text I'd already seen twice. Hell, I know that quest isn't done either, because it told me to go someplace I'd stumbled onto trying to read a book with a stupid name I'd only recognized because I saw it on my map trying to figure out where the hell I'd been sent to.

I also don't really like the variety of treasure chests that either actually just send me flying somewhere, or are positioned right next to a jet teleporter thing so you'll hit them when trying to pick up all the crap the chest has shat out all over the place. That's almost as disorienting as lyney's burst.

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face
I got multiple fopl sets trying to farm a halfway decent pavillion set for Scara and it's the only functional upgrade to my account that happened in that entire debacle. And usually I can't even tell lol

But yeah, the difference between gilded and fopl is practically imperceptible. You're better off upgrading your dendros with some marginally better deepwood pieces than wasting half of your resin on completely worthless pavillion pieces. Resin efficiency is the name of the game.

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


MoonCrab posted:

Resin efficiency is the name of the game.

some days i set all my resin on fire by making weapon ores. most of the time i don't even need the ores.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

I blew 52 out of 61 moons for Lyney, no one lives forever.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
The new craftables take 50 of the new ore each to actually make. Am I going to have to take ningguang out of storage??

sushibandit
Feb 12, 2009

delfin posted:

So I should run Spire to get Deepwood for... characters that aren't the one I'm farming for?
Gilded's EM bonus would help, but Paradise looks custom-made for a Hyperbloom specialist, and from all I've heard, that's what Shinobu is.
You run spire because Gilided is practically identical to FPL on Shinobu (if not better for non-pure-hyperbloom teams) in addition to Deepwood being good on literally every dendro character, meaning you aren't "wasting" 50% of your resin on a dead secondary set. Whereas the FPL domain's secondary set is DP which... is pretty much only useful for Wanderer and maybe some unknown future anemo hypercarry who doesn't want VV.

It's the same reason people farmed the ESF domain as sort of a default resin sink - ESF is pretty much BIS for most supports/off fielders, and Shimenawa is useful on a bunch of DPS characters so you aren't "wasting" resin like you would be in, say, the Noblesse domain.

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

Meowywitch posted:

I want to take her mask off

I think she looks weird without it tbh

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face

No Wave posted:

The new craftables take 50 of the new ore each to actually make. Am I going to have to take ningguang out of storage??

Yes and even then it sucks hard. Forging bows has been the most useful thing Ganyu has done on my account in months, and Diluc is finally able to do something! There's no catalyst or sword forger, tho...

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Shinji2015 posted:

I think she looks weird without it tbh

yeah theres mods to do it and it doesnt look great

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Stare-Out posted:

Sure but why would you do that to the poor fella?
I ran him with Fischl/Yae/Zhongli in early 3.X abysses and there aren't really other carriers. Realistically it basically has to be Yaoyao who carries it cause Baizhu's range is such a bad match for how Tighnari/Yae/Fischl behave.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

No Wave posted:

I ran him with Fischl/Yae/Zhongli in early 3.X abysses and there aren't really other carriers. Realistically it basically has to be Yaoyao who carries it cause Baizhu's range is such a bad match for how Tighnari/Yae/Fischl behave.

I have a team where Yae has it, Nahida has Deepwood and Tighnari has Wanderer's with Zhongli there also rocking Tenacity and it's very comfortable. Then again that team doesn't do the abyss so it's not as crucial. That said, Wanderer's works on Tighnari in a lot of teams outside of the higher abyss levels provided there's someone with Deepwood in there.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

No Wave posted:

The new craftables take 50 of the new ore each to actually make. Am I going to have to take ningguang out of storage??

Is there actually that much above water? It's actually quite nice how easy it is to grab underwater, you just gotta find a hermit crab ghost and then you can park yourself amidst a bunch and turn on the shield. It's like having zhongli only you don't have to hold a button!

Space Opera
Jun 5, 2011

That rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer!

Is it just me, or does the official map not show underwater ore spots? It doesn't show up on my desktop browser and when I try the app version, if I turn on the underwater layer it crashes.

MadHat
Mar 31, 2011
The Aquabus has some really funny interactions with attack effects.

Jumping is fine, you are staying relative to the bus. Once you start throwing out attacks it is a complete coinflip on if the attacks will be relative to You [and thus th e Bus] or the Ground. Pointless interaction since you will never have to fight on them but funny to see an attack fly off behind you as you use it including some weapon trails.

Zenostein
Aug 16, 2008

:h::h::h:Alhamdulillah-chan:h::h::h:

MadHat posted:

The Aquabus has some really funny interactions with attack effects.

Jumping is fine, you are staying relative to the bus. Once you start throwing out attacks it is a complete coinflip on if the attacks will be relative to You [and thus th e Bus] or the Ground. Pointless interaction since you will never have to fight on them but funny to see an attack fly off behind you as you use it including some weapon trails.

They have a 3d platforming section where you're getting shot at, where getting hit sends you back to the start. I wouldn't count something out just because it doesn't work very well.

MoonCrab
Nov 19, 2014

A mildly pertubed emoji face

Space Opera posted:

Is it just me, or does the official map not show underwater ore spots? It doesn't show up on my desktop browser and when I try the app version, if I turn on the underwater layer it crashes.

Looks like it doesn't :/

Not the end of the world since I've only found 2 good spots so far (the Elynas head and right next to the northeastern underwater teleporter), but if you want to rush the weapons there are a few in the center of the area that you need to manually chart using Ningguang. A little annoying..,

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
There are three easy spots for underwater Condessence Ore: Under the Elynas skull, and to the SE and NW of the central underwater warp spot south of the city. For aboveground ore, start marking the daily ore spots and about 8 or so places to check will come up, and there are a few more in the Elynas region that can be spotted from the mountaintop (and one directly below the mountaintop that doesn't appear to be a daily ore spawn spot, though getting near the ore there spawns two enemies). Both the Belleau Region daily spots are along the coastline. The daily spots are kind of bad compared to the underwater clusters, but it's something.

haypliss
Oct 2, 2022
Casually ore farmed while doing the event and nabbing teleporters, I can't believe I only got 15 from that. :sigh:

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

like ten orbs and still no gilded dreams usable pieces???? Not a single one???? why is????

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

Kuki Shinobu loving Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!

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valuum
Sep 3, 2003
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No Wave posted:

The new craftables take 50 of the new ore each to actually make. Am I going to have to take ningguang out of storage??

Hhhhh cant believe I've been running around without that radar, completely forgot.

How are the other BP weapons when it comes to usability? Scion of the blazing sun seems preferable over song of stillness, especially if you lucked into his constellations. C2: When Lyney is on the field, he will gain a stack of Crisp Focus every 2s. This will increase his CRIT DMG by 20%. Max 3 stacks.

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