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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Jones’ paradox: I find Tom Jones basically unlistenable in 99% of contexts, and yet Thunderball is easily a top 5 Bond theme  but for me it's 98% because I can also listen to It's Not Unusual. edit: A page snipe, Mr. Bond? I may as well post my theme song rankings: #1 Bond Theme from Dr No #2 Goldfinger #3 Thunderball #4 Skyfall #5 A View To A Kill #6 Goldeneye #7 You Know My Name #8 Live and Let Die #9 Another Way To Die #10 Diamonds Are Forever #11 The Living Daylights #12 The World is Not Enough #13 Tomorrow Never Dies #14 No Time To Die #15 Moonraker #16 From Russia With Love #17 You Only Live Twice #18 A Lisence to Kill #19 Writings on the Wall #20 Nobody Does it Better #21 We Have All The Time In The World #22 For Your Eyes Only #23 All Time High #24 Man with the Golden Gun #26 On Her Majesty's Secret Service #27 Die Another Day
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well why not posted:SIGMUND FFFREUD When I took him to see Die Another Day, that line was approximately where my dad began giggling and he did not stop until the end of the movie. I like how that title sequence has bits of story progression in it; shared DNA with its successor. Also the full version of the song veers dangerously close into "so bad its good" territory; the same cannot be said for the likes of No Time to Die or Writing's on the Wall. Which decade had the best Bond bangers and why is it the 80s? Even if you take out sore thumb All Time High, which is a decent if not completely middle-of-the-pack song, you've got so many great ones, ending strong with License to Kill.
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Aug 21, 2023 19:28
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peekaboo gangster posted:When I took him to see Die Another Day, that line was approximately where my dad began giggling and he did not stop until the end of the movie. It's interesting you say that. My grandfather was the biggest Bond fan I knew. He saw every Bond film in the theater, until No Time to Die because he was too sick (he just passed away last year at the age of 95). He and my dad took me to see my first Bond movie in the theater, Goldeneye, when I was a kid. From that point on we saw every Bond movie in the theater together. When we saw Skyfall, a movie everyone loves, I asked him what he thought, and he said, "Not enough action." He loving loved Die Another Day. Laughed the whole way through. Sometimes you know your audience, I guess.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:17
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thrawn527 posted:It's interesting you say that. My grandfather was the biggest Bond fan I knew. He saw every Bond film in the theater, until No Time to Die because he was too sick (he just passed away last year at the age of 95). He and my dad took me to see my first Bond movie in the theater, Goldeneye, when I was a kid. From that point on we saw every Bond movie in the theater together. When we saw Skyfall, a movie everyone loves, I asked him what he thought, and he said, "Not enough action." My boss at a local pizza place was the same way; had seen all of them and thought Skyfall was a boring, slow mess without any good action. I tried arguing it as the inverse of the classic Bond formula but he wasn't having it. Needed more wild sci-fi esque lairs and lasers, I'd guess. Condolences to your loss, but I think I'm coming around to your grandfather's point of view... Die Another Day is dumb as hell but it's a blast from start to finish. A race-swapping insomniac wants to use a magic sun-and-diamond powered space laser to forcibly reunite the Koreas? Way more watchable for me than the dour World Is Not Enough, which feels like an especially long 007 TV movie to me.
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Aug 21, 2023 21:34
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peekaboo gangster posted:World Is Not Enough, which feels like an especially long 007 TV movie to me. I didn't used to think so but Brosnan movies now feel like TV movies. And I don't think it's anything they did wrong per se but something about modern movies & TV have retroactively made them seem that way.
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Aug 21, 2023 22:00
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peekaboo gangster posted:When I took him to see Die Another Day, that line was approximately where my dad began giggling and he did not stop until the end of the movie. I like how that title sequence has bits of story progression in it; shared DNA with its successor. Also the full version of the song veers dangerously close into "so bad its good" territory; the same cannot be said for the likes of No Time to Die or Writing's on the Wall. A lot of 80s music has a certain kind of confidence in its presentation that really stands out next to the tryhard 90s. I mostly blame the cocaine.
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Aug 22, 2023 06:13
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Lobok posted:I didn't used to think so but Brosnan movies now feel like TV movies. And I don't think it's anything they did wrong per se but something about modern movies & TV have retroactively made them seem that way. I think it's the clothes and the colour grading which look very 90s now. Not in a fun "x-treme" way, in a sort of businesslike end-of-history Nokia 6110 sense. I think they were going for sleek and streamlined, but it just now looks a bit poverty.
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Aug 22, 2023 06:39
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https://twitter.com/Sgtzima/status/1577339603060654086
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Aug 22, 2023 08:36
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well why not posted:I think it's the clothes and the colour grading which look very 90s now. Not in a fun "x-treme" way, in a sort of businesslike end-of-history Nokia 6110 sense. I think they were going for sleek and streamlined, but it just now looks a bit poverty. I think that's a good way of putting it. They all look like they work at a 9-5 office job in the 90's (when they're not in a casino, at least. Brosnan can wear the hell out of a tux).
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Aug 22, 2023 14:42
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thrawn527 posted:I think that's a good way of putting it. They all look like they work at a 9-5 office job in the 90's (when they're not in a casino, at least. Brosnan can wear the hell out of a tux). The World is Not Enough feels flatter than the others to me I think, in part, because there's no real great Ken Adam-esque set. In Goldeneye we've got the command center, and TND has the stealth boat. The submarine is the closest we get and there's not a lot of time to establish the geography before it gets turned sideways. The plane in Die Another Day suffers this as well but I think is an easier sell, especially since we got the bonkers Ice Palace / Jungle Biodome combo prior to it. To be fair, after Moonraker the series seemed to have lost that kind wild set design; nothing in FYEO comes close to the Space Station or even the Aztec Complex and the following movies up to License to Kill have varying degrees of success, I'd say. The Monsoon Palace has a lot of potential but seems to be just a dining room, foyer, and a bedroom. We really needed more time in the Olympatic Institute as well - the shot of the helicopter descending into it was a great appetizer but once again, we really only see three rooms before we settle in for the (admittedly sick) tanker climax. That lack of Ken Adam is also what sets me apart from most Bond fans; I much prefer Dr. No to From Russia With Love. Syd Cain... works for me, but compared to Ken, there's no contest.
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Aug 22, 2023 15:50
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One of the big plus points for NTTD for me is that you can tell they were really going for Ken Adam vibes with the island base.
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Aug 23, 2023 10:31
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Matinee posted:One of the big plus points for NTTD for me is that you can tell they were really going for Ken Adam vibes with the island base. If only they'd managed to write a villain with literally any personal story or goals.
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Aug 23, 2023 10:42
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So many of that film’s problems would be solved if they just had Blofeld as the main villain. I wonder if it was a case of Waltz either would not or could not do more than a few days filming so they had to throw something together.
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Aug 23, 2023 10:47
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Sometimes you just can't get rid of a clown.
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Aug 23, 2023 11:22
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Matinee posted:One of the big plus points for NTTD for me is that you can tell they were really going for Ken Adam vibes with the island base. I was so excited when I heard we were getting a secret base poison garden rocket facility! But everything that happens within it is... nearly baffling. At least one of the villains gets kicked into acid but I'm so tired of our villains just getting shot in the Craig era. Give me something wild, like blowing him out into the cold reaches of space, or ripping him into goo with a gigantic seadrill! Le Chiffre, Greene and Safin all get shot, while another villain gets a knife in the back and one is arrested and then dies offscreen *in a scene he's featured in.* Man, I really did not get along with No Time To Die. Fortunately, as a wise man once taught me, there are No Bad James Bond movies.
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Aug 23, 2023 14:27
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Blofield got foxdie'd at least, and eyeball guy got it pretty silly. But yeah, now that you mentioned it, Craig had a real shortage of goofy deaths in his run.
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Aug 23, 2023 14:42
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The bomber in Casino Royale has a pretty awesome death. But yeah, I hadn't really noticed the trend otherwise.
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Aug 23, 2023 14:50
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Now that I think about it a little more, Craig-Bond only intentionally kills two of his five villains. The knife in Silva's back makes thematic sense, at least - our computer-loving cyberterrorist is defeated by a good ol' down to earth knife, but again - on a secret rocket base poison garden, he just angrily shoots Safin a bunch. So much potential wasted. At least the producers of Dr. No had the stones to boil the man to death.
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Aug 23, 2023 15:24
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I personally liked how Bond just kinda plugs Safin a few times almost as an aside. Like it barely even matters at that point, as you can clearly see in Bond’s expression. Felt very much like what something the Bond from the novels would do. Silva getting a knife to the back was also a nice nod to Bond being a pro knife thrower. Another little detail from the novels.
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Aug 23, 2023 15:42
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Watching spy who loved me the other day with a friend and realizing how rare it was in the era that Moore bond just plugs the villain, and like 3 times, when he is totally at his mercy. He has a couple of really cold murder moments in that movie that feel a bit out of place for him. Its a good one.
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Aug 23, 2023 15:56
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remusclaw posted:Watching spy who loved me the other day with a friend and realizing how rare it was in the era that Moore bond just plugs the villain, and like 3 times, when he is totally at his mercy. He has a couple of really cold murder moments in that movie that feel a bit out of place for him. Its a good one. That one's savage for how he really takes his time doing it too instead of just magdumping the guy like Craig's Bond would. It's a weirdly offputting scene when contrasted with Moore's otherwise affable presence, he looks like a stone cold killer and it's probably some of Moore's best work portraying Bond
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Aug 23, 2023 16:45
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 "Where's Fekesh?" "Pyramids - AAAAAAGH!" "What a helpful chap."
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Aug 23, 2023 16:54
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I also like this scene from For Your Eyes Only: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-f0DwbNF08 One of the best Moore scenes, and naturally Moore didn't like it because he thought it was too violent. It was like something from the Connery era.
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Aug 23, 2023 16:55
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I also like this scene from For Your Eyes Only: I wonder if partially the reason the Moore era films, save For Your Eyes Only, are so goofy is because of Moore not wanting it to be as serious as the early Connery films? And for as "serious" as FYEO is in places, it still has some really bad aspects that are just emblematic of the Moore era.
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DarkSol posted:I wonder if partially the reason the Moore era films, save For Your Eyes Only, are so goofy is because of Moore not wanting it to be as serious as the early Connery films? I think I read that Moore didn't like/was offended by the rougher edges of Bond's character and wanted to smooth them out with parody. All the fault doesn't lie with Moore, though. Films like You Only Live Twice and Diamonds Are Forever are as ridiculous as the worst of the Moore-era excesses (imo). I think to some extent the series was moving in that direction by the late '60s anyway. e: In fact, I'd almost say that You Only Live Twice is more ridiculous than Moonraker given the "turn Bond into a Japanese man" and double secret probation volcano base plot points. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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Aug 24, 2023 01:38
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I think I read that Moore didn't like/was offended by the rougher edges of Bond's character and wanted to smooth them out with parody. The series has always been goofy as poo poo even when it's had an edge. The goofy rear end shoes of death in frwl, goldfingers iconic car ejector seat, just everything about the mountain fortress infiltration in ohmss, diamonds is pretty much straight silly. He'll even the entries with the more straight laced bonds had it. Dalton had henchman 47 throwing exploding milk bottles while jamming to his theme song through headphones and the bit where Sanchez plays the bond theme with bullet ricochets. Even at his grimmest in casino, Craig had himself joking about getting his balls scratched during a torture scene. Being ridiculous has been a core part of the series from the start and is just part of the fun, even if they've overdone it at times. E: Also, yolt isn't not just bond in yellowface - its bond in yellowface, who is also a super awesome ninja man.
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Was You Only Live Twice the one where Roald Dahl was writing for it?
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The funniest thing about YOLT is that the yellowface doesn't help at all. His cover is blown immediately and it gets somebody killed.
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remusclaw posted:The funniest thing about YOLT is that the yellowface doesn't help at all. His cover is blown immediately and it gets somebody killed. Man, Bond just can't catch a break in that one. Fakes his death and then racist-ly poses as a different race like a chump. Compare him to a real man like Colonel Moon, who faked his death and successfully changed his race so hard the Queen knighted him. Movie is also exceptionally boring despite being so wacky. We in the audience know what's going on, so we're mostly waiting for Bond to play catch up. Helga is a re-tread of Fiona Volpe but without the menace or charm. Hans being the Final Boss was a boring fight with an Oddjob knockoff. Five movies in and it was already riffing on itself! Osato's fate is laughably bad, considering the circumstances. To be honest, I prefer Diamonds Are Forever's version of camp. Speaking of Hans, who are some of your favorite but overlooked henchfolk? My toddler was in and out of watching Tomorrow Never Dies a while back but whenever Stamper was on screen he was glued to his presence. Him and Tee-Hee are two of my favorites that I rarely see mentioned.
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peekaboo gangster posted:Man, Bond just can't catch a break in that one. Fakes his death and then racist-ly poses as a different race like a chump. Compare him to a real man like Colonel Moon, who faked his death and successfully changed his race so hard the Queen knighted him. The Indian dude in Octopussy as Oddjob 5.0.
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Darko posted:The Indian dude in Octopussy as Oddjob 5.0. Ahh, Gobinda. While his movie is probably my 2nd least favorite Moore outing (its so goddamn confusing), he's a much better heavy than his predecessor Kriegler. His plane stunt outro is incredibly cool as well; I love me some practical effects dudes hanging onto / falling off of planes (hello, Necros!).
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Aug 24, 2023 14:58
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Octopussy sucks, but Gobinda is pretty cool. I also like the Russian general that Steven Berkoff played. He's so over-the-top and scenery chewing; it's fun to watch.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Octopussy sucks, but Gobinda is pretty cool. I also like the Russian general that Steven Berkoff played. He's so over-the-top and scenery chewing; it's fun to watch.  He's so drat good. And speaking of great sets.  I love this set so much. I can't hate Octopussy. Except for the name.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Octopussy sucks, but Gobinda is pretty cool. I also like the Russian general that Steven Berkoff played. He's so over-the-top and scenery chewing; it's fun to watch. I once tried to figure out what exactly the deal was with the fake and real eggs and it cooked my brain for a good bit. Is 009 investigating the Crime Circus or the smuggled Fabrege Eggs? How come the USSR isn't investigating the eggs if Britain is? Is Sotheby's in on the scheme, since apparently Khan has been fencing the stuff through there - surely their people would be able to tell a fake recreation from the real one. The best I can work out is that Orlov and Kamal Khan have been fencing stolen jewels from the USSR treasury and having their expert remake them so nobody can tell they're missing... but then how do you sell a national treasure of the USSR in one of the most popular auction houses on the planet without giving up the ghost? If Sotheby's is advertising them as fake, then they're not worth nearly as much, but oh god there it goes again
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I love the look Gobinda and Khan share when their car stalls for a moment as they’re trying to leave the circus. It even happened for real and the actors improvised it!
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Aug 24, 2023 15:23
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OK, I'm going to go ahead and say something slightly controversial: I don't dislike the clown scene in the movie at all. In fact, for all the criticism the bomb defusing scene gets for being ridiculous, I think it's one of the most effectively tense moments in Moore's era. Bond is desperately trying to fight off MPs and warn Octopussy that Khan left her to die (another plot point I'm not sure makes much sense) with seconds to spare before the bomb detonates. It's great.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:OK, I'm going to go ahead and say something slightly controversial: I don't dislike the clown scene in the movie at all. In fact, for all the criticism the bomb defusing scene gets for being ridiculous, I think it's one of the most effectively tense moments in Moore's era. Bond is desperately trying to fight off MPs and warn Octopussy that Khan left her to die (another plot point I'm not sure makes much sense) with seconds to spare before the bomb detonates. It's great. 100% agree.
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Octopussy is legitimately an upper-tier Bond movie. It's very much a "comedy Bond" which some people hate (I have no idea why, comedy is an integral part of the franchise) but there are tons of great scenes. The cold open in particular is a perfect little mini-movie of its own mission.
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I totally agree re:Bond in the clown outfit. The opening scene with 009 established it as Serious Business, and even as a kid the whole thing had this tense surreal and uneasy vibe to it. E: I also think it has some of Moore’s best acting in his whole run Matinee fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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