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That's not how physics works. Even with no wings, it should continue in a parabolic arc to the ground. What in the world could have killed all forward momentum? That video is baffling. Or was it going in an arc and this is just the very end of it?
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Aug 24, 2023 19:40
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I analyzed the video and it looks like the plane is moving quickly in the downward direction.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:41
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:So, I isolated the video, made it larger in size and cut it so the camera isn't swinging around all over the place and it sure loving looks like it just literally dropped right out of the sky Plane crash video. Definitely did not expect that. Wait for it…
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Aug 24, 2023 19:41
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pro starcraft loser posted:That's not how physics works. I honestly don't know; it's pretty weird though
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Aug 24, 2023 19:42
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pro starcraft loser posted:That's not how physics works.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:43
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pro starcraft loser posted:What in the world could have killed all forward momentum? That video is baffling.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:44
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If it's falling in an arc directly away from the camera maybe it would create the illusion of being a straight drop?
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Aug 24, 2023 19:44
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An engine getting hosed means you glide. You can land without engine power (just roughly). You fall from the sky if your tail falls off, which appears to have happened. The rear is not supposed to fall off.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGE2ZB_3ZO0
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Aug 24, 2023 19:45
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RDM posted:How is it baffling this is what killed Goose Ah; the poorly maintained aircraft got caught in the missile's jetwash, which killed both engines... those bastards! The US makes missiles with precision guidance systems to target aircraft, Russia launches missiles to take out enemy aircraft with the jetwash
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Aug 24, 2023 19:45
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Yeah, thinking about it the plane was WAY higher up when whatever happened happened, so what we're seeing the after a lot of the forward momentum was gone. I guess I was just too used to seeing crashes from the war when the plane is that high up when it's initially hit.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:46
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Antigravitas posted:An engine getting hosed means you glide. You can land without engine power (just roughly). Ahh. I see. The front fell off. They didn't get the message about using cardboard and cardboard derivatives.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:47
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I mean that video is after it's already had the wing and engine blown off and it's lost all momentum due to the tumble and air resistance. The parabolic part was when it was up way higher
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Aug 24, 2023 19:48
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The Langoliers ate the plane. Case closed.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:54
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Toxic Mental posted:I mean that video is after it's already had the wing and engine blown off and it's lost all momentum due to the tumble and air resistance. The parabolic part was when it was up way higher I guess the thing that's loving with me is the fact that the wings are still perpendicular to the ground as opposed to the cockpit aiming at the ground as it's making a flat *fall but I suppose if both engines got taken out at the same time it would explain it. I am not a lawyer, doctor, or physicist- just a pot head who makes goofy photo and video edits for your amusement 
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Aug 24, 2023 19:54
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Toxic Mental posted:I mean that video is after it's already had the wing and engine blown off and it's lost all momentum due to the tumble and air resistance. The parabolic part was when it was up way higher it's this, and the parabolic part isn't very long at all. airplanes continue forward very well when they still have all their control surfaces. if you lose a wing or tail at speed, you will almost certainly immediately depart controlled flight and experience very powerful drag forces that will kill your forward momentum quite quickly assuming they don't shred the rest of your plane. since you're tumbling whatever thrust you still have is pushing you around randomly instead of forward.
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Aug 24, 2023 19:56
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I've analysed the footage comprehensively and my conclusion is the plane blew up and he dead
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Aug 24, 2023 19:57
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Shoulda sprung for that plane parachute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIGkmDb0aIw
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Aug 24, 2023 19:57
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el dingo posted:I've analysed the footage comprehensively and my conclusion is the plane blew up and he dead 
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Aug 24, 2023 20:01
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Do we know that the plane was hit by anti-air/missiles or is that speculation?
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Aug 24, 2023 20:03
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ryde posted:Do we know that the plane was hit by anti-air/missiles or is that speculation? The plane was hit by a high frequency cope beam
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Aug 24, 2023 20:06
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ryde posted:Do we know that the plane was hit by anti-air/missiles or is that speculation? we "know" it insofar as there's not really another plausible option after seeing the eyewitness videos. my earlier shitpost aside, even a near-miss missile strike can absolutely kill the momentum of a craft if the missile was traveling in the opposite direction as its target (as opposed to chasing it). if it impacts on the airframe at all (like it probably did to rip parts of the plane off), it's even more acute. missiles aren't very big, but they move so fast they end up with a lot of momentum, and that gets transferred over in a collision. we don't have it irrefutably confirmed because russia keeps changing their story on what they did or didn't do. but basically unless you believe in time travelers or something, it was a russian missile. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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Aug 24, 2023 20:07
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 E: f,b DiomedesGodshill fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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Aug 24, 2023 20:08
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Coolguye posted:we "know" it insofar as there's not really another plausible option after seeing the eyewitness videos. my earlier shitpost aside, even a near-miss missile strike can absolutely kill the momentum of a craft if the missile was traveling in the opposite direction as its target (as opposed to chasing it). Obviously based on the videos things like "the pilot had a heart attack" are ridiculous, was just probing whether its possible someone set a bomb in the plane or something. I'm assuming you can't sabotage a plane in such a way that the wings fall off like that without causing an explosion. But on more thinking that'd be way more complicated and failure-prone than just instructing a random soldier to make an oopsie.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:12
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ryde posted:Obviously based on the videos things like "the pilot had a heart attack" are ridiculous, was just probing whether its possible someone set a bomb in the plane or something. I'm assuming you can't sabotage a plane in such a way that the wings fall off like that without causing an explosion. But on more thinking that'd be way more complicated and failure-prone than just instructing a random soldier to make an oopsie. yeah. in general, planes are so safe because they have been engineered on every level to stay flying pretty much no matter what. you can lose an engine, you can compromise a flight surface, you can have hydraulics fail, that bitch will stay in the sky. obviously lol russian graft or whatever, but even massive russian corruption cannot change the fact that even without those wings, most passenger jets could stay reasonably controlled in the air using just the flaps and control surfaces on the tail. they're not going to stay flying for too long, but it'll be enough to keep you from entering a death spiral and bring it to something resembling a controlled crash. sabotage with this overall effect would have to touch almost every single system on the plane, and if the pilot is paying any attention at all they're basically guaranteed to notice even without their fancy diagnostics. just, they will attempt to move a flap and it won't respond the way they expect after hundreds if not thousands of hours of experience with that mechanism. alternatively you could just lie to some clueless fucko on a ground SAM site that there's ukranian suicide drone overhead, blast the thing, do it, soldier, DO IT NOW.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:19
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1694790814633808017#m Nyet Panik. Normal Katastrof. Nothing is happening in Sevastopol.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:19
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Maybe Russia saying that the pilots should be the ones to perform the maintenance on their own planes wasn't such a good idea after all. 
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Aug 24, 2023 20:23
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Coolguye posted:even without those wings, most passenger jets could stay reasonably controlled in the air using just the flaps and control surfaces on the tail. I uh, don't think this is true, at all. you can lose engines and control surfaces, yes, but if you've lost an entire wing you aren't going to be doing anything like controlled flight. like, maybe full opposite aileron lets you lawn dart until you overspeed and rip off the other wing, if that's what you mean? or do you mean they'll lawndart with both wings off and only the tail, in which case probably agreed but I wouldn't call that controlled/controllable.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:24
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Looks like Portugal throwing in some F-16's.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:26
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tiaz posted:like, maybe full opposite aileron lets you lawn dart until you overspeed and rip off the other wing, if that's what you mean? or do you mean they'll lawndart with both wings off and only the tail, in which case probably agreed but I wouldn't call that controlled/controllable.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:26
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Captain Fargle posted:If it's falling in an arc directly away from the camera maybe it would create the illusion of being a straight drop? That's my thought too. edit: oops, from 30k feet we are seeing the very bottom of any arc... suckers gone vertical. 
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Aug 24, 2023 20:27
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Lmao
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Aug 24, 2023 20:33
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tiaz posted:I uh, don't think this is true, at all. you can lose engines and control surfaces, yes, but if you've lost an entire wing you aren't going to be doing anything like controlled flight.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxJcEz3h4tU
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Aug 24, 2023 20:33
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NEW STRELKOV DROPPED https://t.me/strelkovii/6285 quote:I.I. Strelkov's comments on Prigozhin's death (text transmitted through the lawyer Koroleva): 
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Aug 24, 2023 20:36
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^^^^^ hahahahaha Someone set him up the bomb.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:37
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DiomedesGodshill posted:
My god
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Aug 24, 2023 20:38
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the F-15 has a lifting body and short delta wings, the aerodynamics for commercial/civilian planforms are completely different and could not achieve this result
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Aug 24, 2023 20:39
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George H.W. oval office posted:Plane crash video. Definitely did not expect that. Wait for it… seriously how does someone film a plane falling out of the sky for a good 15 seconds and then gasp in surprise when it hits the ground
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Aug 24, 2023 20:43
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pro starcraft loser posted:That's not how physics works. It's in a flat spin. Probably because the vertical stabiliser on the tail got blown off.
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Aug 24, 2023 20:44
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if i was the pilot i would simply have used my remaining lifting surfaces to land the plane
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