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WalletBeef posted:What is the reward for killing Uber Lillith? A horse, a title, and it's one of the challenges in the final chapter of the season journey, if you're trying to knock that out.
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I really want there to be a better color difference between rares, legendaries, and uniques. Dark yellow, orange brown, and brown loving suck
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Aug 24, 2023 18:26
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Yeah whoever came up with "white" as the color for the rarest items on the mini map is a big jerk They should've made Uniques green. But they couldn't... because that's what Sets were... which MEANS!!!
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Aug 24, 2023 18:31
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Don't set your expectations too high
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Aug 24, 2023 22:34
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TBQH I don't actually like Sets, I was just doing jokes. I believe they belong in the past and aren't good by modern game design standards. "Oh neat I got piece 6 of 6 and now (Specific Attack) does 10,000% more damage. I can do the difficulty that was scaled around me doing 10,000% more damage."
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Aug 24, 2023 22:38
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I mean that's only one implementation of sets though, a radical one devised to save d3 from its terrible itemization issues
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Aug 24, 2023 22:41
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But that's what happens in D4 too, you just don't see the number. Get a unique and now your bear farts earthquakes which trigger landslides via other items in the (not set) Same thing just less transparent.
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Aug 24, 2023 22:43
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Yeah don't get me wrong, D4 itemization blows, I just don't want the fix to be using D3's problems instead
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Dr. Eldarion posted:I just want the PS trophy so I can get the platinum. I'm in this boat too. Hulk Krogan posted:A horse, a title, and it's one of the challenges in the final chapter of the season journey, if you're trying to knock that out. It's also the ONLY thing I've got left for Season 1 too.
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Aug 24, 2023 22:52
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Smaller sets might work ok with the aspect system. Not sure a full 6pc would work, especially with the available slots in d4.
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Aug 24, 2023 22:54
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The aspect system is just a more clunky kanai cube system. I could imagine the D4 sets being a more permanent way of imprinting the aspects and upgrading them. They could double as a loadout mechanic.
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I wish they'd do the aspect system like Division 2 does. You can improve the base values by what you find. I'd like to kill Uber Lilith for the seasonal journey thing but I don't think I'll be able to. I can never even get to phase two.
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Last King posted:i posted a brief snippet from their filings a while back but sure here you go since you can't seem to remember: For $20 you can be Snoop Dogg in CoD and I would happily pay that for D4. He even has his own voice lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBqjYixEn7k
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Aug 24, 2023 23:33
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Holy poo poo, check out my sweet loot for finishing the season! Hell yeah, what a rush!!
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Norse Code posted:Holy poo poo, check out my sweet loot for finishing the season! Hell yeah, what a rush!! Well you found the refuge
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Norse Code posted:Holy poo poo, check out my sweet loot for finishing the season! Hell yeah, what a rush!! Look at this rear end in a top hat picking up the flawless gems before taking the screenshot to make it look worse
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Donate to the homeless lady. She'll be able able to start a new life with those stats
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Credits are rolling on the campaign, my understanding is that I have a capstone dungeon to complete in order to unlock WT3 and unlock the seasonal content. Is that all I have to do at this point? How difficult is the capstone dungeon? I have a Level 52 Rogue, should I expect to be able to solo it?
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gently caress me, this game needs a loadout save. I should have taken screen shots, because I went to try out a paragon board set for my ice sorc from Icyviens and was dying super quick nm33 at level 80, then tried to put things back the way I thought i had them and hosed up somehow because I'm dying even quicker. RIP me, back to BG3 until season2
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Klungar posted:I have a Level 52 Rogue, should I expect to be able to solo it? I did it with a rogue at 45, you should be fine.
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Norse Code posted:Holy poo poo, check out my sweet loot for finishing the season! Hell yeah, what a rush!! Why would you need any loot if you finished the game?
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Soonmot posted:gently caress me, this game needs a loadout save. I should have taken screen shots, because I went to try out a paragon board set for my ice sorc from Icyviens and was dying super quick nm33 at level 80, then tried to put things back the way I thought i had them and hosed up somehow because I'm dying even quicker. RIP me, back to BG3 until season2 This game needs loadout saves, at all, for any and every reason as well as just letting people respec a lot more easily. One scroll for doing seasonal stuff is paltry. Folks shouldn't feel punished by the tedium of manually refunding a full 255 paragon points across 4-6 boards because either they're bored or want to get out of a series of bad choices.
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i dont really care about redoing paragon boards because i dont have the need to change my build every day, but it does make me wonder why nobody brought that up repeatedly when the system was being designed. like "hey this will make probably a lot of people annoyed a lot of times during a season" and the leads response was... "i dont care"? "no it wont"?
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Verviticus posted:i dont really care about redoing paragon boards because i dont have the need to change my build every day, but it does make me wonder why nobody brought that up repeatedly when the system was being designed. like "hey this will make probably a lot of people annoyed a lot of times during a season" and the leads response was... "i dont care"? "no it wont"? Diablo 2 diehards always whining about having ownership of your build through difficult respecs.
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Verviticus posted:i dont really care about redoing paragon boards because i dont have the need to change my build every day, but it does make me wonder why nobody brought that up repeatedly when the system was being designed. like "hey this will make probably a lot of people annoyed a lot of times during a season" and the leads response was... "i dont care"? "no it wont"? It was pretty clear during development that a lot of design decisions were being driven by a desire to make D4 as different from D3 as possible. "I can't feel attached to my character if I can just respec for free" was one of the go-to complaints from grognards
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Verviticus posted:i dont really care about redoing paragon boards because i dont have the need to change my build every day, but it does make me wonder why nobody brought that up repeatedly when the system was being designed. like "hey this will make probably a lot of people annoyed a lot of times during a season" and the leads response was... "i dont care"? "no it wont"? It's one of the most obvious UX 101 fuckups in the game, right there with "hold square to refund one skill point, press square to refund all skill points."
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Tarnop posted:It was pretty clear during development that a lot of design decisions were being driven by a desire to make D4 as different from D3 as possible. "I can't feel attached to my character if I can just respec for free" was one of the go-to complaints from grognards it's ironic because arpg diehards have pretty much entirely moved away from wanting big penalties to respeccing and tbf even 15 years ago that was one of the most widely panned parts of D2. maybe it shouldn't be exactly as easy as D3 (albeit idk if even that is really a problem) insofar as you want it to have just enough of a speedbump that you don't end up with a meta of people hot-swapping specs mid dungeon or w/e because holy poo poo that would be horrible to play, but virtually no one wants respecs to be some expensive, major undertaking because the entire essence of arpgs is having fun trying out a variety of different things Mustached Demon posted:Diablo 2 diehards always whining about having ownership of your build through difficult respecs. maybe if you have a time machine back to 2004 or something, but d2 is pretty much the textbook example of more/easier respecs making the game far, far better Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Respecs in POE are pretty limited and onerous. If the d4 team needed a reason to think “people might be ok with this system for a while” they needn’t have looked further than that. But I do hope d4’s gets streamlined and they add a build-saving system. Build-saving is something that Nioh 2 really nailed
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emdash posted:Respecs in POE are pretty limited and onerous. If the d4 team needed a reason to think “people might be ok with this system for a while” they needn’t have looked further than that. But I do hope d4’s gets streamlined and they add a build-saving system. Build-saving is something that Nioh 2 really nailed this isn't remotely true and hasn't been true for at least 5+ years, it's trivial in poe. they aren't limited and it definitely isn't onerous. the only time the cost to respec is at all significant is literally the first day of the season. any other time you can respec a character for the currency you'd make in about 10-20 minutes of farming (or if you're doing some super profitable endgame stuff, like less than 5 minutes). other than day 1 it is cheap and easy. this stuff is what I mean by 'arpg consensus has completely left the idea of expensive, annoying, prohibitive respecs behind.' that poo poo sucks and even the people who think that there should still be some kind of barrier to fully redoing a character think that it should be pretty insignificant. hell when the thread was debating this back before release the debate was between 'free unlimited respecs' and 'cheap unlimited respecs.' zero people think that bricking characters is fun or good game design. virtually no one wanted high cost/limited respecs personally, i think that games that are all about trying out cool, fun, new characters should not be throwing up huge barriers to that Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Aug 25, 2023 03:45
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I found a cool hammer, and then I gave the hammer to a stranger and he gave me 600 million gold in return. I'm the rockefeller of diablio. my number is throbbing.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:this isn't remotely true and hasn't been true for at least 5+ years, it's trivial in poe. they aren't limited and it definitely isn't onerous. the only time the cost to respec is at all significant is literally the first day of the season. any other time you can respec a character for the currency you'd make in about 10-20 minutes of farming (or if you're doing some super profitable endgame stuff, like less than 5 minutes). other than day 1 it is cheap and easy. this stuff is what I mean by 'arpg consensus has completely left the idea of expensive, annoying, prohibitive respecs behind.' that poo poo sucks and even the people who think that there should still be some kind of barrier to fully redoing a character think that it should be pretty insignificant. hell when the thread was debating this back before release the debate was between 'free unlimited respecs' and 'cheap unlimited respecs.' zero people think that bricking characters is fun or good game design. virtually no one wanted high cost/limited respecs You still gotta click all the nodes though, and that’s the main part of what’s annoying about D4 paragon respecs Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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eh most respeccing in poe is like 10-20 points as you shift a couple of passive wheels around or unallocate some cluster jewels. fully respeccing a character is probably 60-80 points and you're maybe doing that once a season, if even that. there's a separate very valid complaint about poe/arpgs in general requiring way, way too much clicking, but that's kind of a separate issue and the scope of that issue is several orders of magnitude more clicks than changing some skill tree points
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Man D3 respec was so much better than whatever this is. You were encouraged to play around with your builds, it was almost like a deck builder. This feels like the exact opposite. Carve your build onto these boards, imprint your aspects onto your gear, bleh. Oh you want to see how a different build plays? Better luck next season.
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Internet Explorer posted:It's one of the most obvious UX 101 fuckups in the game, right there with "hold square to refund one skill point, press square to refund all skill points." This one really made me  The only thing saving it is that it has a confirmation screen, so it's difficult to accidentally refund any points either way.
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idk what the tipping point was but early 50s and i’m finally starting to get the ball rolling on a fun feeling chain lightning build. didn’t make any major changes to anything i don’t think, maybe it was just ilvl of gear or something. got some good running around exploding action going, hoping nmd loot is kind
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
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Ironically it's way more tedious to respec in D4 than it was in D2, since all that meant was usually just a few gear swaps and a couple minutes spent resetting skill points.
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exquisite tea posted:Ironically it's way more tedious to respec in D4 than it was in D2, since all that meant was usually just a few gear swaps and a couple minutes spent resetting skill points. The die-hard "Everything after base D2 went downhill and D3 absolutely ruined the franchise" people who developers have confirmed they were actually trying to tailor the game towards originally really did not like respecs either. There was a lot of "If you want to play a Frost/Fire/Lightning Sorc, then level a Frost, a Fire, and a Lightning sorc. Respecs make your character meaningless and just a vessel for XP."
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0 or 1 respecs is the the most fun. I always enjoyed going through the D2 story with a new char and wondering if my build would get me through act 2 and 5 hell. If it doesn't and it can't deal with lightning immunes in time, oh well maybe next season. Endless rebuilding and min/maxing makes things too optimal, and everyone is doing the same thing. It is not enjoyable when everyone's build and equipment is within 1% and there is no cost to making a bad decision. At lest with D3 the build was mostly equipment based, and you just couldn't keep perfect rolls of every build. You were generally building toward one concept.
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