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ethanol posted:They’re just posturing behind contrarian trump. They absolutely love war economy despite lying through the poo poo eating grins about this one conflict that has the idiotic hunter Biden narrative Right wing isolationism has always been pro-facism with a mask on, the history of every anti-communist military intervention is the proof
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Aug 25, 2023 03:31
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“Isolationism” is to international fascism what “states rights” was to US slavery.
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Aug 25, 2023 03:50
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It boggles my mind that we’re one generation away from Reagan calling the USSR an “Evil Empire” and now the GOP is saying it’s actually none of our business when Russia invades its neighbors. The GOP love to idolize Reagan but his name seems to have been absent from any GOP discussion in Ukraine. I wonder what would happen if someone started an ad campaign targeting Trump supporters with quotes from Reagan’s Cold War speeches.
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Aug 25, 2023 04:35
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The same thing that would happen if people used Jimmy Carter or Clinton quotes. No one would care.
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Aug 25, 2023 04:48
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If Trump supporters were rational people, they wouldn't be Trump supporters. Nothing would happen
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Aug 25, 2023 04:49
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Nitrox posted:If Trump supporters were rational people, they wouldn't be Trump supporters. Nothing would happen You can't use reason to convince anyone out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into.
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Aug 25, 2023 05:18
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Finland has arrested a 36 years old man under suspicion of terrorist crimes in Luhansk and Donetsk. The crimes, namely participation in a terrorist group and other support of a terrorist group's actions, were filed in April 2017. He has a temporary address in Russia. Ukraine has requested extradition
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Aug 25, 2023 07:13
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Nenonen posted:Finland has arrested a 36 years old man under suspicion of terrorist crimes in Luhansk and Donetsk. The crimes, namely participation in a terrorist group and other support of a terrorist group's actions, were filed in April 2017. He has a temporary address in Russia. Ukraine has requested extradition So this genius decided to take a little vacation in Finland or what?
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Aug 25, 2023 07:24
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spankmeister posted:So this genius decided to take a little vacation in Finland or what? Police doesn't say more about the case at this point. There will be an arrest trial before the extradition request can be handled, maybe we'll hear details then. It really is boggling also because it's not easy to come here anymore as new tourist visas haven't been issued and old ones were also cancelled. So either he came via Norway which still lets Russians in, or had other reason for travel like business (unlikely) or came to seek asylum. The latter would definitely be  but not the first time that a wanted war criminal comes here looking for safety.
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Aug 25, 2023 09:12
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spankmeister posted:So this genius decided to take a little vacation in Finland or what? The reporting implies that he was probably a frequent visitor (registered in the Finnish population registry with a temporary address in St. Petersburg). So, might have had a permanent visa or somesuch, seeing as we've stopped granting new tourist visas. e: f;b, but I'm pretty sure permanent visas have not been cancelled, so this person could've been permitted to cross the border on a regular basis, and only recently the police decided to pick him up. All speculation, of course.
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Aug 25, 2023 09:14
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There is no permanent visa, you probably mean residence permit. That would indeed allow it. Dual citizenship would also be a possibility, but reporting doesn't mention citizenship of Finland. Update says that the crimes were committed between June 2014 and August 2015 and he was born in Leningrad in 1987. If that helps narrowing down any...
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Aug 25, 2023 09:22
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What GOP (and politicians in general across the world, on both divides) says they want and what they do behind closed doors are often very different. I remember reading one newly-minted senator's remarks about it, he said he personally saw a lot of GOP members act all angry & sputtery in front of the cameras then be all chummy & nice with their Democrat counterparts once the cameras were off. A lot of the time they don't really mean what they say; it's just for votes and domestic consumption. I don't think we need to worry about USA abandoning their support for Ukraine even if Trump should be the president again, there are too many defensive industries in deep red states.
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Aug 25, 2023 09:25
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Nenonen posted:Police doesn't say more about the case at this point. There will be an arrest trial before the extradition request can be handled, maybe we'll hear details then. It really is boggling also because it's not easy to come here anymore as new tourist visas haven't been issued and old ones were also cancelled. So either he came via Norway which still lets Russians in, or had other reason for travel like business (unlikely) or came to seek asylum. The latter would definitely be Is it about this guy? Great catch then and wise choice of that nazi to not take chances with Russian circular firing squads https://twitter.com/ColborneMichael/status/1694984282668957949
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Aug 25, 2023 10:18
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Please stop the USpol posts that are only tangentially relevant to Ukraine. There are plenty of other threads for that.
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Aug 25, 2023 10:38
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fatherboxx posted:Is it about this guy? Great catch then and wise choice of that nazi to not take chances with Russian circular firing squads Yes, and apparently he'd been exiled from Norway which rules out the 'came via fjords' loophole. Is this really a direct consequence of Prigozhin's death or just a coincidence? I can't imagine him being so stupid unless he was really desperate to leave country...
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Aug 25, 2023 11:41
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Frankly, arrested in Finland is probably better than free in Russia.
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Aug 25, 2023 11:42
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steinrokkan posted:Frankly, arrested in Finland is probably better than free in Russia. Though once you are handed to Ukraine as a Russian nazi terrorist... still better than defenestration, but not optimal. For him. Otherwise this week has been full of little positive news like this. 
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Aug 25, 2023 12:00
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Nenonen posted:Yes, and apparently he'd been exiled from Norway which rules out the 'came via fjords' loophole. Is this really a direct consequence of Prigozhin's death or just a coincidence? I can't imagine him being so stupid unless he was really desperate to leave country... Rusich on TG say that he was arrested a month ago, so fits with the timeline of Russian MOD cleaning house of Wagner - affiliates and other voluntary units that enjoyed sorta independent banditry existence reasonably have been afraid of long knives coming for them.
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Aug 25, 2023 12:13
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fatherboxx posted:Rusich on TG say that he was arrested a month ago, so fits with the timeline of Russian MOD cleaning house of Wagner - affiliates and other voluntary units that enjoyed sorta independent banditry existence reasonably have been afraid of long knives coming for them. Wonder what's the puppy murderer's whereabouts...
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Aug 25, 2023 13:05
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daslog posted:Here is what I read in that article. Why is time running out? Ukraine can fly drones around while dropping grenades and directing artillery indefinitely.
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Aug 25, 2023 14:56
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SaTaMaS posted:Why is time running out? Ukraine can fly drones around while dropping grenades and directing artillery indefinitely. Because the amount of artillery required to sustain offensive operations is finite.
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Aug 25, 2023 14:59
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Ynglaur posted:Because the amount of artillery required to sustain offensive operations is finite. True but basic artillery shells are one of the cheapest things for the US to manufacture.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:06
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SaTaMaS posted:True but basic artillery shells are one of the cheapest things for the US to manufacture. I think the issue is more manufacturing capacity than cost.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:07
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Have we talked about how the pilots and flight crew of hot dog man's private jet were basically sent on a suicide mission over Moscow? They were unwitting drivers over the air bridge between st Petersburg and Moscow and this certainly constitutes a war crime. I think we should debate the intricacies of using civilians in these types of operations for the next few pages. Furthermore... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 25, 2023 15:14
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SaTaMaS posted:Why is time running out? Ukraine can fly drones around while dropping grenades and directing artillery indefinitely. Just my opinion, but the whole article reeks of rear end covering from the US military and Biden Administration because they are afraid of the perception of a stalemate. The US should have committed those F16s from the start instead of the incrementalist approach of providing arms.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:14
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I don’t know why people think the us has so much control over the minute decisions about maneuvering in ukraine. We’re giving them weapons sure. All the journalism about chess maneuvering us generals making tactical decisions seems unsubstantiated rumor milling that only serves to remove the agency of ukraine. Like those conversations are going to be highly opsec’d anyways so it’s hard for me to understand why people think theyre inside the minds of the commanders.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:19
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Fortunately perceptions of a stalemate are extremely premature. Edit: One thing that has become clearer than ever before is you should never believe any story in the media that is sourced to "unnamed sources". They are almost always spouting views that don't necessarily correspond to reality, being pushed for specific political reasons and represent the absolute worst of client journalism. If no one is willing to go on record then it's probably bullshit. This is true for all the "US official says Ukraine is stalemated" or "Official says US pushing for Ukraine to give up territory" stories, as well as all the stories of "Unnamed official says Russia is about to collapse". Without evidence, it's just someone feeding whatever poo poo they want to to journalists and doesn't represent reality in any way. DJ Burette fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Aug 25, 2023 15:20
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I dont know posted:I think the issue is more manufacturing capacity than cost. Thankfully there are countries like Bulgaria and Slovakia to step up the manufacturing on timescales US is apparently incapable of. (How we ended up with utterly inadequate supply of something that may be critical for national security and isn't that expensive in the grand scheme of things is an uncomfortable question).
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Aug 25, 2023 15:20
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SaTaMaS posted:Why is time running out? Ukraine can fly drones around while dropping grenades and directing artillery indefinitely. Offensive operations will start become difficult around October once the mud season starts as movements. Then you have to wait for the ground to freeze. It's not the end of everything, but the more ground Ukraine gains before that, the better positions they have to continue from when the ground freezes.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:26
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A Wagnerite cemetery has been "erased". All the graves dug up, memorials removed, and levelled. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1695044436038693017?s=20
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Aug 25, 2023 15:46
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...did they open an illegal unzoned cemetery or how does that happen?
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Aug 25, 2023 15:56
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Mr. Apollo posted:A Wagnerite cemetery has been "erased". All the graves dug up, memorials removed, and levelled. Y'all doubted denazification smdh
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Aug 25, 2023 15:57
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DJ Burette posted:Fortunately perceptions of a stalemate are extremely premature. It feels like journalistic standards have gotten really sloppy when it comes to citing "former officials", too, even when they name them by name. It's a cheap and lazy way of punching up someone's creds when they don't have the bona fides to speak for themselves.
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Aug 25, 2023 16:04
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Nenonen posted:...did they open an illegal unzoned cemetery or how does that happen?
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Aug 25, 2023 16:06
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According to Die Zeit Ukraine-Liveblog, mercenaries in Russia will now have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Russian state as per a personal decree of Putin.
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Aug 25, 2023 16:20
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Libluini posted:According to Die Zeit Ukraine-Liveblog, mercenaries in Russia will now have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Russian state as per a personal decree of Putin. Foolproof, no mercenary would ever break an oath
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Aug 25, 2023 16:21
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Nenonen posted:Offensive operations will start become difficult around October once the mud season starts as movements. Then you have to wait for the ground to freeze. It's not the end of everything, but the more ground Ukraine gains before that, the better positions they have to continue from when the ground freezes. I know this is true further north, but not so much in the warmer/drier south of the country. Does the area around Tokmak get hit hard by mud season?
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Aug 25, 2023 16:21
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Are there any signs of Russian planning another offensive or are they just turning the territory they hold into a giant minefield?
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Aug 25, 2023 16:34
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Nenonen posted:Offensive operations will start become difficult around October once the mud season starts as movements. Then you have to wait for the ground to freeze. It's not the end of everything, but the more ground Ukraine gains before that, the better positions they have to continue from when the ground freezes. They'll probably start to run low on ammunition before then anyway. My guess is things start to slow down in the next few weeks and we see the fall spent slowly chipping away at minefields and defenses even before the mud sets in.
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Aug 25, 2023 16:36
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daslog posted:Are there any signs of Russian planning another offensive or are they just turning the territory they hold into a giant minefield? There were large concentrations of modern material and men near Kreminna, and constant counter-attacks. But when the advance slowed down and stopped, reporting on it stopped, too. So the answer to your question is yes, and it already failed. The question is now, how fast can Russia mass troops for a second offensive after this one got stuck.
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Aug 25, 2023 16:41
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