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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Homeless Friend posted:

drat whoever made this wanted to gently caress mao

Buddy,

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Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Looks more like Rosa Luxemburg than Mao

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/country-garden-heiress-has-fortune-cut-in-half/102758274

Yang Huiyan is Country Garden's billionaire heiress, but her fortune was just cut in half


quote:

Just two years ago, Yang Huiyan was the mysterious majority stakeholder of a sprawling real estate empire worth billions of dollars.

But in a stunning reversal of fortune triggered by China's ongoing property woes, she is now locked in a desperate battle to prevent the collapse of the company founded by her father, Yang Guoqiang.

quote:

Its woes could be a sign that the heiress has lost some of her political clout, expert suggest.

"I think she once was very, very connected, could call up very senior officials and get different things done but I suspect that may not be the case so much anymore," Professor Shih said.

"Because if Country Garden still had that kind of political clout, none of this would have been necessary in the first place.

quote:

And while Ms Yang's fortune is declining, it's also under increasing scrutiny.

Earlier this month, the company announced Ms Yang had donated more than half her stake in the company — worth more than $US800 million — to a family charity.

The practice has become more common among China's super wealthy as a result of a Chinese Communist Party policy called "Common Prosperity".

While it is not clearly defined, the policy is generally understood to involve reducing the gap between China's elite and its poorest citizens.

"There's no tax distribution, there was actually no economic policies whatsoever to support Common Prosperity," explained Mr Collier.

"However, the ability to use that to grab money from the large capitalist firms is the key to it."

Some of China's major companies — including Ali Baba and a lot of big tech firms — have set up charities in recent years, he said.

"One gets a sense that basically the regime, including the provincial governors, are so desperate for money that they'll just go to whoever has it … [and] the government may simply say, 'Well, you know, we want that money' and they'll just take it," he said.

thank you, President Xi

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

indigi posted:

that's an amazing post thanks. is there anywhere I can read more about the local government problems with fixing the problem around youth unemployment or why the central government isn't taking a leading role in this? maybe they're saving it for the next 5 year plan

isn't the chinese system highly devolved in general

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Here's some data from 2019. Not sure how to do the sums for the new countries.

https://twitter.com/VuslatBayoglu/status/1694697254639042570

Votskomit has issued a correction as of 10:27 on Aug 25, 2023

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Votskomit posted:

Here's some data from 2019. Not sure how to do the sums for the new countries.

https://twitter.com/VuslatBayoglu/status/1694697254639042570

It's just that it feels too much at first glance. Case in point, here is a chart from 2022.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

I've highlighted the 9 BRICS members among the top 30 producers (Ethiopia has no production and S.Africa produces 950bbl/d).



This give me a combined output of less than 37Mbbl/d. World production on that page is listed as 80+Mbbl/d.

Don't get me wrong, that is a lot more than OPEC itself, for example. But still, 80% is a little hyperbolic.

Dante80 has issued a correction as of 10:42 on Aug 25, 2023

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Even in the 1950’s, America didn’t need oil from the Middle East or Latin America, they wanted to control global markets and deny access to anyone else. That’s only accelerated since 1991.

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/country-garden-heiress-has-fortune-cut-in-half/102758274

Yang Huiyan is Country Garden's billionaire heiress, but her fortune was just cut in half



drat hope shes OK

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-25/country-garden-heiress-has-fortune-cut-in-half/102758274

Yang Huiyan is Country Garden's billionaire heiress, but her fortune was just cut in half


why did andrew carnegie build all those libraries? he just liked it?

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

article posted:

Some of China's major companies — including Ali Baba and a lot of big tech firms — have set up charities in recent years, he said.

"One gets a sense that basically the regime, including the provincial governors, are so desperate for money that they'll just go to whoever has it … [and] the government may simply say, 'Well, you know, we want that money' and they'll just take it," he said.

Hell yeah

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/NickMarsh6/status/1694313319568695689?s=20

https://twitter.com/The_Japan_News/status/1695063224780255516?s=20

This is gearing up to be a pretty big dispute. Let's see if other countries join the banning side or buying more Japanese seafood side. I have a feeling its going to be a drama in Korea.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/NickMarsh6/status/1694313319568695689?s=20

https://twitter.com/The_Japan_News/status/1695063224780255516?s=20

This is gearing up to be a pretty big dispute. Let's see if other countries join the banning side or buying more Japanese seafood side. I have a feeling its going to be a drama in Korea.

I mean I see why you would want to own Japan about it, but people really get pretty batty about a bit of radiation.

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/NickMarsh6/status/1694313319568695689?s=20

https://twitter.com/The_Japan_News/status/1695063224780255516?s=20

This is gearing up to be a pretty big dispute. Let's see if other countries join the banning side or buying more Japanese seafood side. I have a feeling its going to be a drama in Korea.

I think there will be hilariously poorly thought out campaigns by their Japanophile PM to get everyone to eat the seafood

(which is probably perfectly safe btw but you can thank oil and gas for making everyone insane about nuclear stuff)

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
let the people eat the fukushima fish!!!

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

I hope he makes an Obama Flint water type video.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/160cq29/to_circumvent_local_governments_restriction_on/

friend just sent me this. i assume china doesn't have price controls on housing sales

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

genericnick posted:

I hope he makes an Obama Flint water type video.

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

stephenthinkpad posted:

https://twitter.com/NickMarsh6/status/1694313319568695689?s=20

https://twitter.com/The_Japan_News/status/1695063224780255516?s=20

This is gearing up to be a pretty big dispute. Let's see if other countries join the banning side or buying more Japanese seafood side. I have a feeling its going to be a drama in Korea.

Oh yeah, big time drama. Even the conservative newspapers are speaking out against Korea's support of it.

Editorial - A bad precedent

quote:

What was unexpected was Seoul's move.

Korea and Japan have long been closest geographically but furthest apart in terms of national sentiment. So, Seoul's otherwise unthinkable act of consent must have been the proverbial "support of a thousand horses" for Tokyo. A simple endorsement did not suffice. The Yoon Suk Yeol administration made PR material to advertise the released water's safety using taxpayer money while attacking its political opponents as scaremongers. Little wonder Koreans ask whether theirs is a Korean or Japanese government. Greenpeace called it Tokyo's irresponsibility plus Seoul's abetment.

Yoon, who prioritizes trilateral cooperation, might have found it difficult to oppose what Japan decided and America supported. His shortsighted adherence to nuclear power generation could be another reason.

Still, Korea must have an independent voice on issues of global importance, like the environment and climate. As far as nuclear issues are concerned, Japan is becoming a world first, for the second time, by leaving a bad precedent of polluting the ocean with water tainted and originating from a nuclear disaster. Who can block similar attempts by others in the future? And why should Korea become an accomplice for this historic blunder?

Korean firms face backlash over plan to serve more seafood at cafeterias

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Although some HD Hyundai officials explained that their cafeterias allow choices among a wide variety of foods other than seafood, similar controversies are expected at other companies, as the government and the ruling People Power Party (PPP) continue urging businesses to encourage seafood consumption by taking advantage of their cafeterias.

"The party and the government will support fishermen by continuously holding meetings with catering service providers," Rep. Sung Il-jong of the PPP said.

...

The Korean Confederation of Trade Unions suggested that workers are used by the government as "guinea pigs" to test the safety of seafood.

Against this backdrop, fears are also growing among parents over the possibility of school cafeterias following the suit. In response to concerns, the Ministry of Education said Friday that schools have served seafood that went through safety inspection.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I seriously cannot support dumping nuclear waste into the ocean as a matter of principle, but this is definitely some dose-makes-the-poison poo poo.

They filtered the heavy metal long-lived radioactive materials from the water. These complaints are about a bit of heavy water, spread out over 40 years. Literally a drop in the ocean.

I can't really take China's side on this one

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

ikanreed posted:

I seriously cannot support dumping nuclear waste into the ocean as a matter of principle, but this is definitely some dose-makes-the-poison poo poo.

They filtered the heavy metal long-lived radioactive materials from the water. These complaints are about a bit of heavy water, spread out over 40 years. Literally a drop in the ocean.

I can't really take China's side on this one

You can boil the radioactive water like US did to the three mile island water though, it's just more expensive.

I am okay with Japan paying the price in export because they want to cheap out on the filtering.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

stephenthinkpad posted:

You can boil the radioactive water like US did to the three mile island water though, it's just more expensive.

I am okay with Japan paying the price in export because they want to cheap out on the filtering.

How's that supposed to help?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
atmosphere is bigger than ocean therefore relatively less radioactive after the fact :v:

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
realtalk, water isn't really radioactive, it's the particles floating in it that are still still decaying, if you boil it off you get left with a radioactive sludge.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

genericnick posted:

How's that supposed to help?

Help them switch to a more carb, more meat and less seafood diet.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

ikanreed posted:

I seriously cannot support dumping nuclear waste into the ocean as a matter of principle, but this is definitely some dose-makes-the-poison poo poo.

They filtered the heavy metal long-lived radioactive materials from the water. These complaints are about a bit of heavy water, spread out over 40 years. Literally a drop in the ocean.

I can't really take China's side on this one

Reported.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Truga posted:

realtalk, water isn't really radioactive, it's the particles floating in it that are still still decaying, if you boil it off you get left with a radioactive sludge.

I thought this was about tritium?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

genericnick posted:

I thought this was about tritium?

right, the heavy metals are gone from the water, it's only hydrogen isotopes left which you can't really remove. seeping it out over multiple decades into the ocean seems reasonable but i ain't no physicist

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
i've seen a bunch of tweets arguing either way i have no idea which is correct

https://twitter.com/taro_taylor/status/1694917686445375616?s=20

https://twitter.com/giegie43433570/status/1694937094635000120?s=20

https://twitter.com/yaling_jiang/status/1694608976200319349?s=20

https://twitter.com/dan_gl20/status/1694774483733684352?s=20

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

lmfao

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006
if they get tired of milking the outrage they can always just make a show of testing the seafood after release has started and saying it was right to act out of a precautionary principle in case the discharge contained things that were claimed to be effectively removed. it’s most likely the case that the release won’t harm anyone but there’s no real downsides to leveraging it a bit unless they end up with the exact same problem down the line

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://twitter.com/firststrikegame/status/943134021516779520?t=CRfDiykjMCSSKK0UFoItag&s=19

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

crepeface posted:

i've seen a bunch of tweets arguing either way i have no idea which is correct
they say they've managed to filter it into clean water which makes tritium the only potential problem, but it's still TEPCO doing poo poo and well, they did this mess in the first place, it might not be the best to trust them

OTOH, this is getting released into the ocean over the next 10 years, it's a very slow and gradual process so unless they're just flushing all the molten fuel into the ocean along with the water, it shouldn't cause any issue outside maybe like 1km radius

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006

indigi posted:

that's an amazing post thanks. is there anywhere I can read more about the local government problems with fixing the problem around youth unemployment or why the central government isn't taking a leading role in this? maybe they're saving it for the next 5 year plan
not exactly that, no. but i get a lot of my impressions of how economic management works from the china coverage on phenomenalworld.org (i know some people find it rather disagreeable but you really have to be good at taking what you can from stuff that contains assumptions you disagree with to learn much about china)

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Truga posted:

radioactive sludge.

Suddenly I have an urge to make Elephant's Foot Pudding.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

i don't know much about nuclear waste, but i do know capitalists. they're always going to go for the cheapest option and it's always going to have foreseeable "unforseen consequences".

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
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is the nuclear water gmo free?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
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R. Mute posted:

i don't know much about nuclear waste, but i do know capitalists. they're always going to go for the cheapest option and it's always going to have foreseeable "unforseen consequences".

I posted about this in the mideast thread, but many western countries dump it in Somalia.

https://www.newarab.com/features/somalias-ecosystem-dumps-toxic-waste-poisons-life

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1695108095989706920?s=20

thank you president Xi for expanding access to home ownership

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



:ohdear:

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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

genericnick posted:

How's that supposed to help?

boiling water makes it potable.

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