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You say s1 of TNG is the worst instead of the best? Give me your agonizer.
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I already kinda look back on s1 a lot more fondly than I expected. Sure, there are absolute messes in there, but they're entertaining messes and they never felt like they were wasting my time like the worst of s2. Up The Long Ladder? UP YER SHAFT
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Aug 25, 2023 15:03
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Season 1 is better than season 7 though.
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Aug 25, 2023 15:28
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Soul Dentist posted:Y'all can definitely quit trying to defend Voyager, of all things. I married my wife for many reasons but her taste and judgement are foremost.
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Aug 25, 2023 16:39
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Voyager has some good episodes but overall it's pretty bad, however watching Voyager gives me the warm and fuzzy Star Trek nostalgia feeling that I don't get from the new shows
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Aug 25, 2023 17:02
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Voyager is cool and good and if you can't appreciate it there's always still time to work on yourself
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Aug 25, 2023 17:03
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Season 1 is better than season 7 though.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:I know the new hotness is to poo poo on Season 7 but absolutely not
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Aug 25, 2023 17:15
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The real answer is its all good.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:24
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My dear poster, they're all good. Even the bad ones? Especially the bad ones.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:34
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As outrageous as Okona.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:37
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TNG has some good episodes and some awful episodes in basically every season. Season 1 might be the only season with no great episodes, perhaps.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:38
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Sir Lemming posted:TNG has some good episodes and some awful episodes in basically every season. Season 1 might be the only season with no great episodes, perhaps. 1/3 of utter crap, 1/3 of forgettable filler and 1/3 of brilliance. The way they used to make TV-show seasons.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:39
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Sir Lemming posted:TNG has some good episodes and some awful episodes in basically every season. Season 1 might be the only season with no great episodes, perhaps. Conspiracy, duh.
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Aug 25, 2023 17:49
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S1 has Arsenal of Freedom which is an all-time Trek great. “It’s a good ship.”
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Aug 25, 2023 17:54
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I like Dragon's Teeth because it is fun but also has an ending where Voyager screws up and instead of helping fix the problem, jumps out the window and runs off
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Aug 25, 2023 18:02
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Might have said this before but Dragon's Teeth really is 'The Gang Unearth An Ancient Evil'
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Aug 25, 2023 18:04
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skasion posted:S1 has Arsenal of Freedom which is an all-time Trek great. “It’s a good ship.” Ten.
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Aug 25, 2023 18:23
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There are no ‘great’ episodes in Season 1. There are a few good ones, but the majority are bad, average, or just boring
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Aug 25, 2023 18:27
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YOu need to watch it all so you can participate in this thread fully!
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Aug 25, 2023 18:34
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Yeah, I'm not and have no interest in defending Voyager. Saying Enterprise is worse isn't defending it; Enterprise is worse than most other bad things. If you're legit interested in high points, low points and story beats, here's the list I'd give for ten episodes. 1x01 Caretaker 2x18 Death Wish 2x24 Tuvix 3x21 Before and After 3x25 Worst Case Scenario 3x26 Scorpion 4x08 Year of Hell 4x23 Living Witness 5x06 Timeless 7x25 Endgame And then I guess hatewatch Threshold as a sendoff if you like, it doesn't really matter if you watch it in its place or not.
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Man. DS9's Melora feels quintessential of how 90s shows dealt with a physical disability: otherize them as much as you can, make their disability into a thing that determines every interaction with her, and focus on the idea of curing her condition. First, everyone's ooh-ing and aah-ing over the novelty of a wheelchair, and then she's a massive pill about wanting a special exception made for her because... she doesn't want exceptions made for her. I feel like if the writers had bothered to ask a fan in a wheelchair what they wanted, they might've told them "actually just have someone in a chair treated like anyone else maybe"
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davidspackage posted:Man. DS9's Melora feels quintessential of how 90s shows dealt with a physical disability: otherize them as much as you can, make their disability into a thing that determines every interaction with her, and focus on the idea of curing her condition. First, everyone's ooh-ing and aah-ing over the novelty of a wheelchair, and then she's a massive pill about wanting a special exception made for her because... she doesn't want exceptions made for her. I feel like if the writers had bothered to ask a fan in a wheelchair what they wanted, they might've told them "actually just have someone in a chair treated like anyone else maybe" Yeah, the writer was a wheelchair user who turned in a script that he admits was rushed and needed tweaking, but Piller's tweaks were basically "add in all the poo poo the writer deliberately didn't."
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disaster pastor posted:Yeah, the writer was a wheelchair user who turned in a script that he admits was rushed and needed tweaking, but Piller's tweaks were basically "add in all the poo poo the writer deliberately didn't." I'm reading about it now, that sucks! The writer was motivated by his disapproval of the TNG episode Ethics, in which Worf keeps trying to kill himself rather than not be able to walk.
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Aug 25, 2023 19:06
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Yeah but Worf, and I can't stress this enough, is a moron
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skasion posted:S1 has Arsenal of Freedom which is an all-time Trek great. “It’s a good ship.” Arsenal of Freedom would be my pick for best episode of season 1, yeah. I wouldn't call it great but it's a very solid pretty good.
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Where No One Has Gone Before* Arsenal of Freedom Conspiracy elements of Coming of Age Heart of Glory ...are all perfectly fine episodes, imo. * Maybe it's just me. Not a great episode but I'm a bit of a sucker for 'lost deep in space' episodes.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Season 1 is better than season 7 though. Season 1 TNG is wild. Like memorably wild. S7 is kind of too cozy for the most part, even if it has really strong ups and crazy memorable downs. For every "All Good Things" there is a matching "Masks", and such. Having the entire crew be absolutely A-Okay after just one commercial break at the end of "Genesis" is like the perfect way to sum up the season. S7 is still far more interesting than the entirety of Voyager or Enterprise. jeeves fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Aug 25, 2023 20:07
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Surprised nobody's mentioned False Profits for a Voyager hatewatch
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Without Masks we don't have the Cerritos routinely dealing with Mask Takeovers and I'm not willing to give that up
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Soul Dentist posted:Surprised nobody's mentioned False Profits for a Voyager hatewatch False Profits has Leslie Jordan as a Ferengi. Not hateable.
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jeeves posted:Season 1 TNG is wild. Like memorably wild. Nah, Voyager does get some sauce between seasons 3 and 5 and Enterprise season 4, they're deeply flawed shows but they have their moments
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Aug 25, 2023 20:18
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I don't think there's ever been a piece of media before or since that's like Masks.
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No Dignity posted:Nah, Voyager does get some sauce between seasons 3 and 5 and Enterprise season 4, they're deeply flawed shows but they have their moments If Enterprise did what it did in S4 for the entire run it would be remembered as the best Star Trek series. I am serious about this.
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I know they make a big deal about there was No Improv on Trek, Ever, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the shooting script for Masks wasn't just pages of "Brent does another funny voice".Der Kyhe posted:If Enterprise did what it did in S4 for the entire run it would be remembered as the best Star Trek series. I am serious about this. Manny Coto was the only person involved in Enterprise who understood the assignment. Fighting Trousers fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Aug 25, 2023 |
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Der Kyhe posted:If Enterprise did what it did in S4 for the entire run it would be remembered as the best Star Trek series. I am serious about this. Just let Riker and Troi be the main characters and make sure we never see the rest of the cast again? Yeah, probably.
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disaster pastor posted:Just let Riker and Troi be the main characters and make sure we never see the rest of the cast again? Yeah, probably. Well, not *that* part. TV movies and one-off episodes exploring the pre-TOS historical achievements of the United Earth and the key events leading to the birth of the Federation.
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I love that O'Brien's facial features just keep getting smaller
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bashir is our friend
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