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ZearothK posted:Yeah, the Order has actively made the Gate situation worse. They had no way to know Xykon was going to teleport in five minutes after Tarquin took the gate. For all they knew, an evil faction was going to get months of time with the gate before anyone challenged them, and they made the call to prevent that because they have fairly sparse information on exactly how the bad guys are planning to abuse the gates, they just know it's bad. It wasn't the right call given full information, but they had very little information. Or, more succiently, Kyte posted:Man it's almost like incomplete information begets bad situations.
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If the Order hadn't made the Gate situation worse, then Thor wouldn't have been in a position to get a 4-quiddity pact with The Dark One. The Stickverse would've slowly succumbed to the Snarl's unraveling and be remade into something else.
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To be fair if we are talking about who's at fault with the gates we have to start with Serini's group. The gates were poorly defended in the first place because none of the defenders wanted to cooperate with the others. (Well I'm sure Dorukon and Lirian would have been willing to collaborate with each other but they didn't I guess because of the promise not to interfere with the other gates?) So they each ended up with exploitable flaws as a result because of the biases of the folks who built them. If they had worked together or coordinated anything at all they could have done something better but they didn't. Or at the very least you know maybe muster some kind of unified effort against Xykon once Lirian's gate fell. I imagine Dorukon's tower being shored up by high level paladins, illusionists, Serini, etc would have made a significant difference. Though if that happened, we wouldn't have a story. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Aug 15, 2023 |
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I mean obviously the best possible path in the long run is the one we are on. They are the protagonists. I just found it amusing to consider that Xykon would have gotten his rear end kicked sneaking into the throne room alone if the Order had not been there to figure out his invisibility and waylay him.
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ImpAtom posted:There is nothing about Tarquin that is actually reasonable. He puts on a good face but he's driven by the same narrative desires as Elan and is just as mercurial. Leaving a potential way to end the world in the hands of a dude whose stated goal is to be a final boss is not a good idea. This is a very good and incisive post.
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like trying to put any blame on the Order kind of misses the point. Even though he'd killed Dorukan, Xykon wasn't able to break the protections on Dorukan's Gate. That's why the Order even had a chance against Xykon in their first battle - he went easy on them while he attempted to trick one of those pure-hearted adventurers into touching the gate and disarming the defenses for him. Ironically, Dorukan's Gate defenses were probably the most secure of all the Gates. Even after Dorukan's death and the occupation of his dungeon by a villain, the defenses remained in place right up until after the defeat of the villain, at which point one of the victorious heroes pushed a big magic rune labeled "Do Not Touch" for absolutely no reason.
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Really it's the gods'fault for not being able to cooperate and causing the entire situation in the first place
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FlocksOfMice posted:Really it's the gods'fault for not being able to cooperate and causing the entire situation in the first place “In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.”
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New page - https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1286.html
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Now that's how you do a final dungeon!
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Ahahaha perfect
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Amazing.
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Of course it is.
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This is totally a boss rush, isn't it? It's going to have aspects of all of the other Scribble characters' dungeons or themes one after another.
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Really funny, great strip. Really elegant characterisation for a lot of characters in a small space, killer punchline.
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Haley catching Elan in a princess carry is extremely cute. 
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Rogues passed their acrobatics checks, fighters failed them, Elan passed his Charisma check to get his Rogue gf to catch him. By the way, don't suppose Hailey catching him princess carry required a specific str for her character sheet did it? After looking through that earlier link about the grognards figuring out character levels due to feats in comic, I wonder if that princess carry will become another data point.
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Possibly, but even if they do, it's not a very useful data point. A character can lift double their carrying capacity off the ground, which means unless Elan is comically heavy or Haley has a comically low Strength score, it doesn't really determine anything.
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girl dick energy posted:Haley catching Elan in a princess carry is extremely cute.
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Donkringel posted:Rogues passed their acrobatics checks, fighters failed them, Elan passed his Charisma check to get his Rogue gf to catch him. Ochul passed the insight check to figure out that a rogue would dump them into the dungeon in an obtuse way, only to get tripped up by Roy failing everything.
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Donkringel posted:By the way, don't suppose Hailey catching him princess carry required a specific str for her character sheet did it? After looking through that earlier link about the grognards figuring out character levels due to feats in comic, I wonder if that princess carry will become another data point. There's rules for carrying, yeah. I looked at the stat thread on the GITP forums, and they put Haley's lower Str bound at 15. Then, I looked at the SRD's carrying capacity rules, and that puts her maximum carrying load at 200 lbs. Elan doesn't wear armor and probably uses bags of holding. Haley might be able to lift Elan over her head. ... what? I'm on my lunch break and bored.
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I assume her STR is like 18-20 because the more strength you have the more comically oversized bags of gold you can carry.
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ImpAtom posted:I assume her STR is like 18-20 because the more strength you have the more comically oversized bags of gold you can carry. That is what bags of holding are for
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Strength is also an important stat for an archer, since you can add it to damage with composite bows.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Haley picked up a few fighter levels at some point, especially while Roy was dead.
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IIRC Haley would need like an 18+ strength to not be burdened by her excessive number of bags of holding, but also the comic doesn't care a whole lot about carrying capacity because who does, really?
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Plus, at the level the party operates, a set of +2 or even +4 Gauntlets of Strength would be pocket change, and doubly so if it's an obsolete hand-me-down from Roy. I know the comic doesn't obligate itself into adhering strictly to RAW, but I thought it was implied or assumed somewhere that everyone is keeping up on their armor enchantments and Cloaks of Resistance and other essentials? Anyways, carry capacity tables are kind of worthless here anyways, since it only tells you what kind of loads you can carry indefinitely for a long period of time, which is absolutely not the same as what you exert yourself into doing very briefly.
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lightrook posted:Plus, at the level the party operates, a set of +2 or even +4 Gauntlets of Strength would be pocket change, and doubly so if it's an obsolete hand-me-down from Roy. I know the comic doesn't obligate itself into adhering strictly to RAW, but I thought it was implied or assumed somewhere that everyone is keeping up on their armor enchantments and Cloaks of Resistance and other essentials? I mean they regularly go to towns to stock up on magic items and they've lampshaded the "assume we're doing all our normal buffing off screen" bit before so it's perfectly reasonable to assume they have standard in slot magical equipment from gnome town at the very least, if not more recently.
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So this is going to be the water part of the first dungeon? A real deep cut if this is why that cut from the first dungeon.
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Schwarzwald posted:Encumbrance rules just slow things down. Boo. Boo this man.
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They jumped through a portal and now they're in the first dungeon again, but like, what does that actually mean? Is this an illusion? An actual portal to the physical first dungeon? Time travel back to before the first Gate got blown up? Serini just built a physical reproduction of the first dungeon? Some additional option?
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Ponsonby Britt posted:They jumped through a portal and now they're in the first dungeon again, but like, what does that actually mean? Is this an illusion? An actual portal to the physical first dungeon? Time travel back to before the first Gate got blown up? Serini just built a physical reproduction of the first dungeon? Some additional option? Serini built a dungeon in honor of a fallen member of their group but the final-final dungeon is actually a tribute to the entire group and mixes them all together.
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ImpAtom posted:Serini built a dungeon in honor of a fallen member of their group but the final-final dungeon is actually a tribute to the entire group and mixes them all together. Gun Jam posted:They had the same contractors? Both of these.
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Gun Jam posted:They had the same contractors? I trust that as the party's rogue she had a better head for finances than Dorukan and was able to pay for the complete project.
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Or had enough insight to know when the contractors tried to shaft her.
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Yessssssssss! That's definitely a Final Dungeon!
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That magnificent son-of-a-bitch.
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