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Knormal posted:The weirdest thing about The Loss to me is that apparently Troi is the ship's only counselor. You'd assume she's have like, assistants or something that would be better people to talk to and actually trained in this kind of thing, but apparently nope, just the other senior staff and Guinan.
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Powered Descent posted:The women of TNG got several good episodes but only one great episode each. Troi's was Face of the Enemy, Crusher's was Remember Me, and Yar's had to wait until two years after she DIED: Yesterday's Enterprise. Crusher also got to fly the Enterprise into the sun that one time which was p cool.
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Aug 27, 2023 03:24
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FlamingLiberal posted:One counselor for like 1000 crewmembers is Starfleet malpractice And speaking of... MrMojok posted:Just watched The Inner Light again.
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Aug 27, 2023 03:47
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FlamingLiberal posted:One counselor for like 1000 crewmembers is Starfleet malpractice And one doctor too.
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Aug 27, 2023 03:52
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Sash! posted:And one doctor too. That’s all we’ve ever needed.
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Aug 27, 2023 03:55
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The flesh and blood counselor is for senior staff. Everybody else is expected to self-therapise using the holodeck.
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Aug 27, 2023 03:55
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Sash! posted:And one doctor too. There's at least a second doctor - Dr. Selar as played by Suzie Plakson. Only one on screen appearance, but she is mentioned a few other times during the series.
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Aug 27, 2023 04:07
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We've only ever definitively had just one Doctor twice on a Star Trak. Phlox on the NX-01 because it was a small ship, and The Doctor on Voyager because everyone else was dead.
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Aug 27, 2023 04:29
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Continuing through Voyager S4, enjoyed the episode that’s basically Alien vs Predator. The Hirogen are such a flagrant ripoff of Predator that I can’t help but respect it. Unfortunately it’s followed by Retrospect, an episode about how women be lyin to besmirch upstanding men. What a piece of poo poo. gently caress this episode.
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Aug 27, 2023 04:32
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Retrospect did NOT age well, to say the least... The fact that the crew has more sympathy for the shady arms dealer than Seven is certainly something
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Aug 27, 2023 04:53
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Gully Foyle posted:There's at least a second doctor - Dr. Selar as played by Suzie Plakson. Only one on screen appearance, but she is mentioned a few other times during the series. I mistakenly thought this was still talking about counselors and started thinking about what a Vulcan counselor would be like. Vulcan Patient: I am experiencing shaking hands and distraction in my duties. Vulcan Counselor: Your tense relationship with your father is causing physical symptoms to manifest. Vulcan patient: Your logic is flawless, thank you. Vulcan counselor: Gratitude is illogical.
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Aug 27, 2023 06:50
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Retrospect was intended to evoke the satanic panic and the lovely people who pushed the narrative like the doctor did in that episode, but the writers had to make sure the plot was different enough from a specific lifetime movie about date rape. You think that might have had them stop and rethink what they were doing, but apparently not.
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Aug 27, 2023 07:11
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I think of the way that TNG doesn't really use Troi like it should and people don't generally want therapy as being because people of the 80s weren't really respectful of psychology and therapy, but what if it's the result of the extra-utopian nature of the TNG-era Federation where they've regressed in the field of therapy and counseling because most people are ashamed of their problems seeming insignificant in a time of such peace and plenty.
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Aug 27, 2023 07:26
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FlamingLiberal posted:One counselor for like 1000 crewmembers is Starfleet malpractice DS9 didn’t even have a counselor. They had Bajoran religious leaders and Vic Fontaine. Edit: And I think Keiko at one point? AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Aug 27, 2023 |
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Aug 27, 2023 14:06
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Maybe if starfleet are gonna only have one therapist on ship to stave off the space madness she should spend most of her shifts in surgery instead of on the bridge telling Picard that Norgathx the Skull-Muncher is feeling peeved.
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Aug 27, 2023 14:14
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AlternateNu posted:DS9 didn’t even have a counselor. They had Bajoran religious leaders and Vic Fontaine. Ezri was technically a counselor but part of her whole arc was "is Ezri Dax still a counselor like Ezri Tigan was?" Beyond that, though, DS9 did have counselors, they just weren't senior staff so they didn't make it on screen. Off the top of my head, O'Brien is sent to see one in "Hard Time."
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Aug 27, 2023 14:19
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Who Mourns for Adonais manages to have the single most sexist exchange in all of the Star Trek I've seen from basically any series. Holy wow. Scotty asks a girl out and she accepts, so Kirk and McCoy give him poo poo for being old and ugly and her being too hot for him. This is bad, but pretty standard for the series. Then, the two start lamenting that eventually she will find a proper man and when that happens, Starfleet will lose a great officer. This is followed by a giant gas hand from the planet below grabbing their ship.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:04
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It's sad, because it also has some really fantastic scenes with Spock on the bridge working with the crew.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:06
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I gotta ask though, is that a wig on Chekhov?
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Aug 27, 2023 15:07
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Atlas Hugged posted:I gotta ask though, is that a wig on Chekhov? Walter Koenig posted:They put me in a lady’s wig for my first six or seven episodes, until I could grow my own hair out. But then my hair was already starting to thin, so they had to spray it and comb it forward. It took a little work to make me appealing to the preteen crowd.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:13
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Is Apollo about to cuck Scotty?
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AlternateNu posted:DS9 didn’t even have a counselor. They had Bajoran religious leaders and Vic Fontaine. DS9 did in fact have a counsellor. They're mentioned in the O'Brien Mind Prison episode as someone O'Brien is seeing. You just never see them.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:16
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I feel like I'm the only person who hates Far Beyond The Stars. I don't like any episode of a show that goes "Maybe it's not real??" I probably wouldn't care at all if I'd only seen it later when I could binge it but having that episode after a week of waiting was like "ugh gently caress that" Especially since every show at the time seemed to HAVE to have that one episode.
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Taear posted:I feel like I'm the only person who hates Far Beyond The Stars. I don't like any episode of a show that goes "Maybe it's not real??" I don't hate it but I am extremely glad they didn't end the series on the "kid looking at a snow globe" ending that was proposed where the camera pulls out from the set and old Benny Hill is watching them film DS9.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:26
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This episode is a lot like Space Seed, with Apollo wanting the crew and Khan wanting the ship. And so I'm hoping they bring back Apollo in the next live action movie.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:30
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It's kind of weird that it's a recurring thing on DS9 where Keiko is unable to find anything to do as a botanist. They're right next to a whole new quadrant, aren't there any returning Federation vessels with plant samples that need to be analyzed? There's a whole running thing in the first few seasons about a famine on Bajor, couldn't they use the help of a botanist there? I think she does end up doing something like that eventually, but only as a fallback after being a teacher.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:36
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They moved to DS9 with the intention of her being a botanist for Bajor as her day-to-day, but the station gets moved a six hour flight away from Bajor in the first episode, so the only way for her to do it in the end is for her to move to Bajor and go long distance with O'Brien. I assume science ships surveying the gamma quadrant usually have their own onboard botanical departments.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:39
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I just feel like the writers had her be a botanist for the same reason that writers always make people be architects. It sounds like a job a smart, successful person would have but no one knows what they actually do day to day so the writers also don't have to know poo poo about the profession. They never wanted Keiko to be happy on the station because they wanted tension in O'Brien's life so they had to invent obstacles for her and career was what they settled on.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:42
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If they had the money for a set in a hydroponics lab she might have done more. Would have been fun for the other sets to gradually get full of weird plants though.
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Aug 27, 2023 15:44
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They had a perfectly good botany lab when Sulu was briefly in the science department. Just copy that.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I just feel like the writers had her be a botanist for the same reason that writers always make people be architects. She was introduced before DS9 was conceived, though, and botanist is a pretty good fit for 'minor research job on a galaxy-class starship'.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:DS9 did in fact have a counsellor. They're mentioned in the O'Brien Mind Prison episode as someone O'Brien is seeing. You just never see them. And in season 7 the counselor was Ezri
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Atlas Hugged posted:They had a perfectly good botany lab when Sulu was briefly in the science department. Just copy that. actually I'm surprised how TOS the arboretum from TNG looked 
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8one6 posted:I don't hate it but I am extremely glad they didn't end the series on the "kid looking at a snow globe" ending that was proposed where the camera pulls out from the set and old Benny Hill is watching them film DS9. I still can't believe that was seriously considered, given that Far Beyond the Stars literally has a scene where the racist editor proposes making the story a dream as a compromise.
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MikeJF posted:They moved to DS9 with the intention of her being a botanist for Bajor as her day-to-day, but the station gets moved a six hour flight away from Bajor in the first episode, so the only way for her to do it in the end is for her to move to Bajor and go long distance with O'Brien. Which is a problem with an easy solution, because it's a six hour trip at impulse using Bajoran transport ships because Bajor is still rebuilding and can't support that many warp vessels. Requisition the poor woman one of those tiny shoebox-looking shuttlepods from TNG S2 and let her have a five minute commute. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Aug 27, 2023 |
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Also while I can understand that remote work wasn't as big a thing when they were writing it, they have instant comms in universe. You just need lab techs or grad students on Bajor itself, she could still direct research and analyze data from DS9. Although yeah, the real out of universe reason is that they needed a source of conflict with O'Brien because wives, amirite?
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Aug 27, 2023 16:35
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So Uhura's dead right? Like her memory was erased and they just taught her what she was supposed to know? That's not the same loving woman.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Which is a problem with an easy solution, because it's a six hour trip at impulse using Bajoran transport ships because Bajor is still rebuilding and can't support that many warp vessels. It's a six hour trip by runabout, they were still adhering to the 'it's not safe to warp deep into star systems' rule back then.
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Atlas Hugged posted:So Uhura's dead right? Like her memory was erased and they just taught her what she was supposed to know? That's not the same loving woman. nah she was remembering swahili at the end, she just needed something to jog her memory
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MikeJF posted:It's a six hour trip by runabout, they were still adhering to the 'it's not safe to warp deep into star systems' rule back then. And, of course, Star Trek never engages with the actual implications of their technology so no one says "what if we built a network of small stations that are little more than reactors and transporters, so that we can leap frog people from buffer to buffer without materializing them, moving them inside star systems faster than impulse?"
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