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pseudosavior
Apr 14, 2006

Don't you do cocaine at ME,
you son of a bitch!
Meanwhile I'd just been thinking "well, so long as it doesn't bank really hard to the East, I should be right outside of the path of- oh. Welp. 🤷"

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Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.
Why does anyone still voluntarily live in Florida

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

Coasterphreak posted:

Why does anyone still voluntarily live in Florida

If my Aunt is an indicator, there is a large faction that lives there because they "like the politics".

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Living on the coast during hurricane season is like playing russian roulette

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


ASAPI posted:

If my Aunt is an indicator, there is a large faction that lives there because they "like the politics".

Every single, right leaning dissatisfied, older white person, I have met in Rhode Island Pines for moving to Florida one of these days and it’s their most frequent threat. Any time the state looks sideways at some tax policy.

It’s pretty common for snowbirds here to have a house down there as well and some of the people that do that have come in and noted that they aren’t getting good medical care in Florida and have to come back to New England for that.

pseudosavior
Apr 14, 2006

Don't you do cocaine at ME,
you son of a bitch!

Coasterphreak posted:

Why does anyone still voluntarily live in Florida

Moved down here because we were in a bind, and my wife's family lived down here and had yet to go full chud.
Now, we haven't spoken to them in years, and we can't afford to move because our rent keeps rising every year while our apartment complex gets passed around from LLC to LLC like a joint at a Phish concert.

5 different companies have owned my apartment complex since I moved in 3 years ago. If that isn't a bad omen, I'm not sure what is.


Edit: the number of New Yorkers who go on and on about NYC being the greatest city in the world, yet they have lived in Tampa for ~20 years is astounding.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

pseudosavior posted:

Edit: the number of New Yorkers who go on and on about NYC being the greatest city in the world, yet they have lived in Tampa for ~20 years is astounding.

They're the first to whine about it too, without fail. Usually involves racism!

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


pseudosavior posted:

Moved down here because we were in a bind, and my wife's family lived down here and had yet to go full chud.
Now, we haven't spoken to them in years, and we can't afford to move because our rent keeps rising every year while our apartment complex gets passed around from LLC to LLC like a joint at a Phish concert.

5 different companies have owned my apartment complex since I moved in 3 years ago. If that isn't a bad omen, I'm not sure what is.


Edit: the number of New Yorkers who go on and on about NYC being the greatest city in the world, yet they have lived in Tampa for ~20 years is astounding.

That sucks. I hope y’all can get out of there sometime soon.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
What gets me is that my area's homeowner's insurance is around $900, and the equivalent for Florida is around $6000. But even that has an asterisk, as you have to find an insurer in the middle of a near-exodus going on.

And the wild bit is how the state Congress is like "blame the woke lgbtq libs in your middle schools and the insurance companies are woke too" and from an outsider, it seems like that works.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Blame the ((bankers)) is the next step.

Wonder Free
Jun 19, 2006

Throw some D's..
Yes, the surprise upgraded forecast has ruined my morning. We are sending a crew to Mobile to wait out the storm and collect imagery afterwards.

Both the Euro / ECMWF and GFS are at least agreeing that the track will go up near Cedar Key, but the whole gulf coast of FL is going to get raked with onshore flow winds and storm surge. There is also increased risk of tornados on the NE side generally. Intensity forecast has been creeping up in the models as well.

They have yet to find a good way to present the track uncertainty, so people look at a track and think that outer bounds and shaded areas are just where they will feel any impacts or wind or whatever. The eye of the storm can still go right over whatever the outer bounds are so somewhere like Tampa is still at risk of a near direct hit with all the fun that causes.

Some of the people that died in Ian looked at the track, saw the centerline going to Tampa and thought they were good. It trucked right down that outer bound of uncertainty and wrecked Fort Myers instead.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


That Works posted:

Every single, right leaning dissatisfied, older white person, I have met in Rhode Island Pines for moving to Florida one of these days and it’s their most frequent threat. Any time the state looks sideways at some tax policy.

It’s pretty common for snowbirds here to have a house down there as well and some of the people that do that have come in and noted that they aren’t getting good medical care in Florida and have to come back to New England for that.

I was shocked how high my brother's property taxes were in CT vs. mine here on the gulf coast, but then when we included homeowner's insurance too we were paying about the same and he had much much better services and public schools etc. than around here.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
Yes, here in CT we have public services still somewhat functional.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


pseudosavior posted:

Moved down here because we were in a bind, and my wife's family lived down here and had yet to go full chud.
Now, we haven't spoken to them in years, and we can't afford to move because our rent keeps rising every year while our apartment complex gets passed around from LLC to LLC like a joint at a Phish concert.

5 different companies have owned my apartment complex since I moved in 3 years ago. If that isn't a bad omen, I'm not sure what is.


Edit: the number of New Yorkers who go on and on about NYC being the greatest city in the world, yet they have lived in Tampa for ~20 years is astounding.

The Florida economy is hosed. Turns out the same economic policies that ostensibly exist to keep cost of living attractive to retirees gently caress over everyone who has not already saved up enough money to move to Florida. Likewise so much of Florida's economy is just low wage service and agriculture jobs. If you don't already have money it can be very hard to make enough money to leave Florida.

In grad school in Florida, I worked for a program that did K-12 STEM outreach. One of the legislature's stated aims was to keep more students graduating with IT and CS degrees in state. "But we have no income tax" they scream, despite the cost of living adjusted salaries being well below national average. Also a lot of the students I worked with in that program were minorities or queer and ultimately their motivation for studying computers was the realization they could get a job out of Florida.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Coasterphreak posted:

Why does anyone still voluntarily live in Florida

Checking on the motivations of the daughter of a close family friend who elected to sell their Seattle area house they’d never be able to afford again & move to Orlando with milquetoast husband & two small kids, in this case it’s a combo of:

-a month long Disneyworld vacation last November. It’s silly but this person legit didn’t seem to realize Orlando weather differs between November & summer, and has been constantly flying back to Seattle for week long visits.

-being absurdly bad at long term planning/money. Another reason for the Seattle visits is to attend MLM juice selling meetings at a resort.

-also didn’t seem to care that living near grandparents who watched their kids each day for free then abruptly moving away would be upsetting, and that Florida doesn’t offer free childcare.

-DisneyDisneyDisney

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

M_Gargantua posted:

Yes, here in CT we have public services still somewhat functional.

still kinda suggests wrongly that floridas ever were

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1696182093460513178?t=yI8kMsj6-fZPQTSU5q-o7w&s=19

Government wanted January, Donnie wanted 2026, so lol Donnie's people are going to be filing bazillions of motions to try and get this thing delayed via paperwork.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Milo and POTUS posted:

still kinda suggests wrongly that floridas ever were
Yeah, my mom's cousin's family moved there from NY for a work transfer in the late 90s and even then they were appalled at the state of the schools and services for kids in Florida.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
Can’t wait for Florida to offer state run homeowners insurance once everyone else pulls out. It’ll be wildly successful and people will love it while simultaneously screaming about the evils of socialism

Soul Dentist
Mar 17, 2009

Hyrax Attack! posted:

DisneyDisneyDisney

Disney people will always send chills up and down my spine

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

fknlo posted:

Can’t wait for Florida to offer state run homeowners insurance once everyone else pulls out. It’ll be wildly successful and people will love it while simultaneously screaming about the evils of socialism

LMAO will never happen. You either have enough money to recover, pay expensive insurance, or it'll continue to be gently caress You, Got Mine.

Florida would need a change in leadership for that to happen.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Soul Dentist posted:

Disney people will always send chills up and down my spine

Yeah coworker got engaged at Disneyland, honeymoon will be Disneyland, the wedding theme & every item on the registry… you get the idea.

It’s a bit creepy talking to them as their only goal is to return to Disneyland or acquire more Disney products, zero else.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


My girlfriend speaks highly of having a pass back when she lived in the LA area and went to Disneyland at least once a month.

I just can't wrap my head around wanting to go stand in crowds and lines that often. Sure I had fun when I went to Disneyland, but I was in 3rd grade.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Arrath posted:

My girlfriend speaks highly of having a pass back when she lived in the LA area and went to Disneyland at least once a month.

I just can't wrap my head around wanting to go stand in crowds and lines that often. Sure I had fun when I went to Disneyland, but I was in 3rd grade.

My wife swears there's been some improvement to the line technology and special needs children and their families get fast passes so it's not quite so terrible. I might go to Disney Land next year after a 20 year hiatus but my wife took/is going to take one of each of our kids. The next trip is on the October spookfest day. Separate passes and less people in the park overall.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

"Let him speak!"
de-lurking to post they apparently figured out who was buying up all the land around that one air force base.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/26/silicon-valley-elites-buy-800m-land-new-city
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/business/land-purchases-solano-county.html

quote:

After weeks of local speculation, the purchaser of 55,000 acres (22,000 hectares) of northern California land has been revealed. The group Flannery Associates – backed by a cohort of Silicon Valley investors – has quietly purchased $800m (£635m) worth of agricultural and empty land, the New York Times has reported. Its goal is to build a utopian new town that will offer its thousands of residents reliable public transportation and urban living, all of which would operate using clean energy.

The project was spearheaded by Jan Sramek, a 36-year-old former trader for the investment banking firm Goldman Sachs, and is backed by prominent Silicon Valley investors including Michael Moritz, a venture capitalist; Reid Hoffman, the co-founder of Linkedin; Laurene Powell Jobs, the founder of the philanthropic group Emerson Collective and wife of Steve Jobs; Marc Andreessen, an investor and software developer; Patrick and John Collison, the sibling co-founders of the payment processor Stripe; and the entrepreneurs Daniel Gross and Nat Friedman, the Times reported.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Arrath posted:

My girlfriend speaks highly of having a pass back when she lived in the LA area and went to Disneyland at least once a month.

I just can't wrap my head around wanting to go stand in crowds and lines that often. Sure I had fun when I went to Disneyland, but I was in 3rd grade.

The point to having a pass is that you can pop in for 30 minutes at weird times like near closing when there are no lines.

Naturally Disney had to get rid of that type of thing so passes don’t work like that anymore

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Checking on the motivations of the daughter of a close family friend who elected to sell their Seattle area house they’d never be able to afford again & move to Orlando with milquetoast husband & two small kids, in this case it’s a combo of:

-a month long Disneyworld vacation last November. It’s silly but this person legit didn’t seem to realize Orlando weather differs between November & summer, and has been constantly flying back to Seattle for week long visits.

-being absurdly bad at long term planning/money. Another reason for the Seattle visits is to attend MLM juice selling meetings at a resort.

-also didn’t seem to care that living near grandparents who watched their kids each day for free then abruptly moving away would be upsetting, and that Florida doesn’t offer free childcare.

-DisneyDisneyDisney

As someone that grew up and lived in Florida for 15 years of my life and now lives in Seattle, your friends daughter is one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this planet. Like I cannot even loving imagine how anyone could compare the two and think FL wins out. There are a lot of stupid fucks around Seattle that are extremely ignorant of the world outside of the PNW though.

Like Soylent Pudding mentioned, the economy of FL is completely hosed for anyone that isn't mid career or retired. She's setting her children up for working poverty wages and living at home well into their 20s, unless they decide to become nurses and earn one of the few decent incomes in the state.

Easily the worst choice my dad ever made was moving our family to FL and then retiring from the military there. 15 years of my life spent there and I can't think of anything nice to say about that hick infested shithole. I'm including the New Yorkers and New Englanders with that, since they largely end up adopting that irritating FL hick culture no matter where they come from.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


My wife surprised me with a trip to Hollywood Studios/Galaxy's Edge last year for my birthday. It was my first time at any Disney park, we only went for a day, but I did have a lot of fun. Though I have zero desire to return on a regular basis.

Maybe in like a few years because she wants to see Animal Kingdom but we're also prioritizing overseas trips over a trip to Disney because lol.

Mustang posted:

I'm including the New Yorkers and New Englanders with that, since they largely end up adopting that irritating FL hick culture no matter where they come from.

Everyone I know from New England that moved to Florida has become some variation of Florida man. gently caress that state, it should only be kept open as a honey pot along with Texas for morons whining about taxes or libs or whatever other bullshit they're on about.

Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Aug 28, 2023

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

fknlo posted:

Can’t wait for Florida to offer state run homeowners insurance once everyone else pulls out. It’ll be wildly successful and people will love it while simultaneously screaming about the evils of socialism

They already have a government owned insurer of last resort - Citizens. It is by far the largest insurer in the state, and will soon be basically the only insurer.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

fknlo posted:

Can’t wait for Florida to offer state run homeowners insurance once everyone else pulls out. It’ll be wildly successful and people will love it while simultaneously screaming about the evils of socialism

They already do.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


You know that ladies journey sounds a lot like a person i know out here but they managed to move back.

Dude is some sort of golden child and all the bosses like him. He gets promoted to GS11 then gets a job overseas in Bahrain for big bucks but quits before he starts due to refusing to get the covid shots. So he uproots his family to move to Florida because his wife loves DisneyLand. I guess that got old because he managed to move back to Seattle region and get a private sector job. Comes sniffing around for his old job but it's filled. The boss offers him a GS12 position but he turns it down because he wont take less than GS13.
The boss says no thankfully. Dude is way too flighty even if he is a great worker. Also lol antivax.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.

Have they heard of California City

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Arrath posted:

My girlfriend speaks highly of having a pass back when she lived in the LA area and went to Disneyland at least once a month.

I just can't wrap my head around wanting to go stand in crowds and lines that often. Sure I had fun when I went to Disneyland, but I was in 3rd grade.

My wife and I have discussed taking the kids to a Disney park. She argues for World and I argue Land.
Her arguments: it’s closer, it’s got more stuff
My arguments: gently caress Florida weather gently caress Florida politics

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

hobbesmaster posted:

The point to having a pass is that you can pop in for 30 minutes at weird times like near closing when there are no lines.

Naturally Disney had to get rid of that type of thing so passes don’t work like that anymore

They came up with Fast Pass as a way to get people on rides while still maximizing the amount of time to get their eyeballs and feet in front of stalls. Then they charged extra for it because the sort of people who can afford to buy realistic lightsabers can afford the $50 pass too.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

hobbesmaster posted:

The point to having a pass is that you can pop in for 30 minutes at weird times like near closing when there are no lines.

Naturally Disney had to get rid of that type of thing so passes don’t work like that anymore

Oh yeah I listen to comedy podcasts based in LA & sounds like it used to be fairly common to have an annual pass maybe a decade ago as it got used enough to be a decent value, especially for single young people living nearby who can get there during off peak months. Seems like the prices/lines are up enough it’s not as popular now among that crowd.

Mustang posted:

As someone that grew up and lived in Florida for 15 years of my life and now lives in Seattle, your friends daughter is one of the dumbest mother fuckers on this planet. Like I cannot even loving imagine how anyone could compare the two and think FL wins out. There are a lot of stupid fucks around Seattle that are extremely ignorant of the world outside of the PNW though.

How can you say that when I didn’t mention spending six figures that required multiple mortgages to become an unemployed life coach or how this person has four MLM schemes on their FB profile page?

Especially ridiculous as this family was doing ok as the husband who appears incapable of vetoing anything that will ruin his life has a good job & all they had to do was stay the course & would have been fine. Maybe set aside two weeks a year & a few thousand dollars for mom to go to Disney as a safety valve.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
I would have loved old epcot as an adult, when it was all retrofuture optimism. Apparently they did away with all that poo poo and it's all frozen and crap from movies I never bothered to watch. I hate the state but it's an extremely well run theme park. Busch garden's is a lot of fun too.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Wife and I were going to go to Disneyland and Galaxy's Edge last time we were visiting family in SoCal, but it became clear that it was going to be a several hundred dollar day when you factored in parking, ride passes, and me getting my very own lightsaber for being the goodest lil' Jedi ever. So we decided to plan better and well in advance for the next time we're in town, and instead we spent the day surfing and lounging on the beach instead.

I haven't been to Disneyland since 2007 and I'll bet my next visit will hold me for like another 16 years. I really don't "get" Disney adults at all.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
I was at Disney World in the January just before Covid. Someone else paid for the trip, since it was technically a hosted corporate event. But it was worth every one of their pennies. I did the math out since I'm a nerd and the price of the lodging on the campus was more than made up for by the value of not having to rent a car or pay for gas or wasting time getting too and from the parks and parking. Turns out having functional mass transit in their little city is a huge time and cost saver for the everyday person, what a commie idea!

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

M_Gargantua posted:

I was at Disney World in the January just before Covid. Someone else paid for the trip, since it was technically a hosted corporate event. But it was worth every one of their pennies. I did the math out since I'm a nerd and the price of the lodging on the campus was more than made up for by the value of not having to rent a car or pay for gas or wasting time getting too and from the parks and parking. Turns out having functional mass transit in their little city is a huge time and cost saver for the everyday person, what a commie idea!

oh yeah we stayed at xmas once back in the 90s at the contemporary hotel. Train ran right through the goddamn building. Honestly more impressive than the rides. I enjoyed it, and I'd go again pretty easily. I just don't understand disney adults. That poo poo is baffling

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Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.

CommieGIR posted:

LMAO will never happen. You either have enough money to recover, pay expensive insurance, or it'll continue to be gently caress You, Got Mine.

Florida would need a change in leadership for that to happen.

Citizens Property Insurance is a thing. And guess who owns it. Instituted by the GOP government too.

Socialism for me but not for thee

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