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Gearman
Dec 6, 2011

post hole digger posted:

i bought them from dvinikey.com which i dont know anything about, but had the model i wanted in stock and everyone says buying direct from keychron is bad if you ever need to actually talk to someone.

All of this is very true. Divinikey is a great vendor and will at least attempt to take care of you if something goes wrong.

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post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

hmmm. i dont think i like clicky switches. not too sure about these box jades.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

oh no

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

ok, they sound a lot better with the keycaps on. just pressing them on their own they sound a lot like mouse clicks though lol. this will work, but i think what i really want is just very heavy linears. maybe later.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
why linears

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
you see what I mean about the click tho huh

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.
the problem with blues is that they're too rattly. feels sloppy and loose. not the tight, crisp snick snack of a 30-year-old alps board.

you'd think in the intervening decades progress would be possible, but i haven't been convinced yet.

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

echinopsis posted:

why linears

linears are the best they feel great

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

echinopsis posted:

you see what I mean about the click tho huh

yeah i think its probably just an issue with clicky switches in general. these box jades are nice -- they feel good to type on and arent wobbly, but the click doesnt sound anything at all like an old model m, yeah. it sounds like a million mice clicking at once when im typing. i like how heavy the springs are and how snappy the key response is though. im also not constantly bottoming out on every key when i type like my old one. a+ feel on these things. the sound probably wont bother me enough to do anything about it for a while though.

Subjunctive posted:

you don’t return keyboards, you just grow your parts stash

this seems very true already

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

wife just came in to the office and said "is that your keyboard making that noise? i thought you were just clicking your mouse really fast" :xd:

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

post hole digger posted:

wife just came in to the office and said "is that your keyboard making that noise? i thought you were just clicking your mouse really fast" :xd:

weak

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

post hole digger posted:

wife just came in to the office and said "is that your keyboard making that noise? i thought you were just clicking your mouse really fast" :xd:

hmm does anyone make a microswitch keyboard

that could be interesting

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

Raluek posted:

hmm does anyone make a microswitch keyboard

that could be interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb_EL0HeUtw

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

lol cool. I love arcade buttons. I made an arcade stick recently and even though it's a bodged together pos it somehow also kicks rear end and I love it

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Raluek posted:

hmm does anyone make a microswitch keyboard

that could be interesting

Ever typed on a scissor switch keyboard like an older laptop? I imagine that would be kind of similar

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮

Raluek posted:

hmm does anyone make a microswitch keyboard

that could be interesting

does tim tyler count

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Silver Alicorn posted:

does tim tyler count

of course tim tyler counts

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

got a new keycap set on now and im liking what i got. kind of pingy, esp the spacebar, but feels good to type on. this message is longer than it needs to be just so i can keep typing.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I took apart the Osborne keyboard I got a while back, for cleaning. I was curious to see what the gently caress it used for key switches since it felt like a rubber dome keyboard but it also felt really nice to type on.

Turns out... NMB (the manufacturer) just made really nice rubber dome keyboards :shrug: https://deskthority.net/wiki/NMB_dome_with_slider

e: It's this, only with a standard lay-out, the full alphabet, and the Osborne badge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQJqViPHGU

If it did USB I'd be typing on it right now.

ee: Why does that video exist? Is it hand fetish porn?

3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 31, 2023

RICKON WALNUTSBANE
Jun 13, 2001


Sounds tests are nice. And some people just like the sound of a keyboard

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Jenny Agutter posted:

Ever typed on a scissor switch keyboard like an older laptop? I imagine that would be kind of similar

i thought those usually had a rubber dome underneath

Silver Alicorn posted:

does tim tyler count

hmm good point but i meant mass produced. i dont remember how he did his, maybe ill look it up whenever i feel like going down a youtube rabbit hole.

seems like you could mount a mouse size microswitch (ideally with roller) vertically and have a nub on the switch stem come down and press it, just seems like it might feel kind of interesting compared to "actual" keyswitches

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮

Raluek posted:

hmm good point but i meant mass produced. i dont remember how he did his, maybe ill look it up whenever i feel like going down a youtube rabbit hole.

youtube not required! http://mykeyboard.co.uk/

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
Bargain buy showed up

evga Z20



optical switches

some macro keys

the volume rolling pin (which i like a lot more than a knob!

the cable is VERY stout, braided, hard attached, and brings the onboard usb jack out to a separate USB plug. (it does the same with 4 pin 3.5 audio but i don't use that obv)

So it's okay for use if you have a work machine with draconian IT policies that ban USB hubs


Software is w/e. The wasd keys have texturing so it's weird to type on, but probably good for games.

Not bad if you need something above a dell membrane keyboard and only have $45 to spend. but for 20 more you can get a keychron and for 50 more you can get a leopold

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

the roller is cool.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/08/using-machine-learning-to-detect-keystrokes.html

quote:

Abstract: With recent developments in deep learning, the ubiquity of microphones and the rise in online services via personal devices, acoustic side channel attacks present a greater threat to keyboards than ever. This paper presents a practical implementation of a state-of-the-art deep learning model in order to classify laptop keystrokes, using a smartphone integrated microphone. When trained on keystrokes recorded by a nearby phone, the classifier achieved an accuracy of 95%, the highest accuracy seen without the use of a language model. When trained on keystrokes recorded using the video-conferencing software Zoom, an accuracy of 93% was achieved, a new best for the medium. Our results prove the practicality of these side channel attacks via off-the-shelf equipment and algorithms. We discuss a series of mitigation methods to protect users against these series of attacks.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2308.01074.pdf

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

is this different than that other one that turned out to be completely garbage at actually detecting keystrokes from a few months ago

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
T+48h with this little evga keyboard:

It's really weird to have it wake up and do the light show thing when you just walk up to the desk

(it has a very crude lidar sensor below the space bar)

Other than that it's pretty okay! I've wrangled the macro stuff and have figured out how to program it.

Only issue is that i don't have a good use for the roller still.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Jonny 290 posted:

It's really weird to have it wake up and do the light show thing when you just walk up to the desk

(it has a very crude lidar sensor below the space bar)

the cool and fun kind of dumb

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

great, now I want a lidar module for my keyboard(s)

thanks, jonny

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
my son bought this keyboard https://www.amazon.com.au/Redragon-...B09BVCVTBC&th=1

and I am extremely impressed with it considering the price

the switches are some knockoff linear ones, which I have to admit are fine. the bottoming out does the job of being a tactile response

the amount of led effects are actually pretty cool, including ones that are dependent on what you type

and it feels pretty solid and decent imo. and didnt think id like a 60% but it works. dunno if I'd want 60% for myself but its' enjoyable

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

echinopsis posted:

my son bought this keyboard https://www.amazon.com.au/Redragon-...B09BVCVTBC&th=1

and I am extremely impressed with it considering the price

the switches are some knockoff linear ones, which I have to admit are fine. the bottoming out does the job of being a tactile response

the amount of led effects are actually pretty cool, including ones that are dependent on what you type

and it feels pretty solid and decent imo. and didnt think id like a 60% but it works. dunno if I'd want 60% for myself but its' enjoyable

looks good to me. ta for the rec mate

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
redragon's a pretty okay entry level brand yeah. but for like $10-20 more you can get a keychron just sayin

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I’m pretty out of the scene now tbh, I found my One True Keyboard like 7 years ago and largely stopped paying attention so I know sweet gently caress all

but that’s good to know

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

echinopsis posted:

I found my One True Keyboard

that’s not how this works

looks around shelf at keyboards and keyboard components

that’s not how this works at all

Gearman
Dec 6, 2011

Subjunctive posted:

that’s not how this works

looks around shelf at keyboards and keyboard components

that’s not how this works at all

My one true keyboard is this one, and this one, and this one, and...

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
I want an ergodox maybe idk they're expensive

InternetOfTwinks
Apr 2, 2011

Coming out of my cage and I've been doing just bad
I got the moonlander and it was absolutely worth the money imo

Its a Rolex
Jan 23, 2023

Hey, posting is posting. You emptyquote, I turn my monitor on; what's the difference?
I never ended up upgrading my barocco but i have been considering a Keychron Q11 so I can do macros in a reasonable way.

mistels programming method is flaky, but once i got ctrl mapped to the left space bar it made me realize how nice multiple layers and a quality macro or remap setup could be. i am strongly on the "thumb keys own" train and the moonlander looks awesome on that front

Pardot
Jul 25, 2001




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWoDSsCX1S8

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Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

Silver Alicorn posted:

I want an ergodox maybe idk they're expensive

i love my ergodox ez but i’m not 100% sure the columnar layout works for me. i feel like i stretch a lot and miss keys when i’m doing it

thinking about maybe doing a smaller split board that’s got normal-ish positioning

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