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Atrocious Joe posted:how does someone measure the purity of liberation
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I've had some of the Zapatista solidarity coffee and it was good but not amazing. It was brewed in a real old drip coffee maker though. I've heard good stuff about MST produced coffee but that person said that while complaining about the Folgers they were currently drinking so I don't know how much weight that holds.
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Atrocious Joe posted:how does someone measure the purity of liberation losers = pure winners = compromised
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It's so utterly normalised in the western world to exploit and gently caress over even their own populations, let alone those of the global south, that they literally can't comprehend the idea of actually delivering on your promises so the people will have positive feelings about you and also be more prosperous and in a better position to benefit you in turn. Also combined with how actually just building infrastructure is incomprehensible lost technology, as applied to domestic policy where China actually building bridges, apartment blocks and high speed rail is seen as incomprehensible, staggering waste on useless trinkets rather than giving trillions to defense contractors to make planes that don't fly and boats that dissolve in water. It's not even about being good or evil but being so ruled by base greed and cruelty that the basic coldest pragmatism is incomprehensible.
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Aug 31, 2023 06:01
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tatankatonk posted:losers = pure Just reading the Losurdo Stalin book and it's hilarious how this has been the exact playbook for a century.
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Nonsense posted:China is entering recession, all of that will end. China has been about to enter a recession for almost as long as Iran has been about to construct a nuclear weapon.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:it’s only colonialism if the wealthy foreign power selectively investing in projects controlled by local elites in order to develop a compliant, dependent aristocracy does so with boats having a bunch of capitalist countries dependent on a communist superpower is a far better state of affairs than the old world order, hth but also DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:to be absolutely clear, the west is in no way, shape or form an ally of Latin America, and any criticism or potential criticism of Chinese activities in latam is not an implicit or explicit suggestion that partnership with the west is superior. and as someone upthread said, the money’s gotta come from somewhere. insofar as there’s a prescriptive element to my post it’s that movements of national liberation have never suffered from being too skeptical of powerful and wealthy “allies,” no matter how pure their stated motives. loving lmao that your goto example of socialist liberation is a purely provincial movement that poses absolutely no threat to global capitalism whatsoever
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Aug 31, 2023 09:07
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Orange Devil posted:China has been about to enter a recession for almost as long as Iran has been about to construct a nuclear weapon. lol yeah, I think I first heard that one in 2010.
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Aug 31, 2023 11:50
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I still lol at the Chapo guys on that old lib rear end podcast going 'Of course Iran is trying to build a nuke, they'd be insane and irresponsible NOT to'.
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Aug 31, 2023 11:52
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Americans calling themselves leftists repeating American imperial propaganda, a tale as old as time.
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I think China is more pragmatic than anything in their international politics and trade. They were open for business with Brazil even as our president and his supporters smeared them in public all day long And it happens that their interests more often than not align with ours, because we are a part of the developing world, of "the rest" Its quite obvious, I think, but a lot of people in latin america just cant see that, because COMMUNISM!! and because the USA has been furiously spreading hate and paranoia about China for the last 3 decades or more edit: I just remember last year I had a discussion with a coworker about the chinese 5G and he was very seriously worried about China spying on us and etc and I told him "so you are afraid that China will do what the USA, documentedly, has been doing to us and the whole world since the internet exists, and because of that you think we should side with the USA?" Elias_Maluco has issued a correction as of 12:14 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Thing is from China's perspective I'm pretty sure for the most part they don't actually care about getting smeared as commie demons because that's literally the norm for them for the most part, or at least they won't actually let hurt feelings get in the way of a pragmatic deal. Especially when dealing with polarised democratic governments where the attitudes do a 180 or at least starkly change in tone every few years. Helping the global south grow its economies and infrastructure is win-win for them, reducing US power and influence indirectly that has been actively working to keep the global south underdeveloped and dependent to extract resources, creating larger markets for China's manufacturing economy and empowering countries that, even under the most swivel-eyed dictators, have incentive to seek other deals because US foreign policy is so blatantly predatory and imperious there's no incentive even to comply.
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Aug 31, 2023 12:12
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the foreign material interests of chinese capital are to import processed natural resources and export things like telecoms networks, solar panels, and electric cars. building out infrastructure to support these aims is good for everyone. laying the political economic groundwork to favor these sectors means hostility to climate denialism and anti-development elites. why the gently caress should anyone who doesn’t think global capitalism can be overthrown by 2030 oppose that agenda. there’s state security concerns for some of china’s neighbors, but outside of those immediate conflicts everyone else in developing countries should recognize that china’s selfish interests are to their benefit
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ZearothK posted:lol yeah, I think I first heard that one in 2010. can you imagine talking about china in latin america back then? talk about decades where decades happen…
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tatankatonk posted:losers = pure quote:The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.
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Atrocious Joe posted:I've had some of the Zapatista solidarity coffee and it was good but not amazing. It was brewed in a real old drip coffee maker though. I've heard good stuff about MST produced coffee but that person said that while complaining about the Folgers they were currently drinking so I don't know how much weight that holds. MST = Movimento Sem Terra? If so, it wildly depends from which part of Brazil you are getting, as the different agricultural units (a farm that isn't a farm in the legal sense) that they have vary a lot from one another in terms of resources and stuff. For example, around here I can get a crate of milk produced by them in a rather reasonable price, but elsewhere in the country it's very rare. Likewise, I never seen coffee by them around here for the same reason.
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so im watching madame secretary s01 e11 and its a venezuela episode the plot is that madame secretary contrives a visit to venezuela to investigate a suspicious bank account related to the death of her predecessor and its run by a dictator who hates freedom and is full of machismo blah blah nothing out of the ordinary whats bugging me is the climax of the plot is madame secretary threatening to indict not maduro for having insecure banks or something and that if she does this venezuela wont be able to trade with dollars anymore so my questions are and bear in mind this episode aired in 2014 what authority does anyone in the united states or anyone else have to gently caress up a countrys banking processes because of questionable security practices and how similar is the thing madame secretary threatened to do compared to what we actually did to venezuela because of the uhhh rigged elections??? cant actually remember what the horrible evil thing was that they did to become south americas greatest monster in the late teens
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I still lol at the Chapo guys on that old lib rear end podcast going 'Of course Iran is trying to build a nuke, they'd be insane and irresponsible NOT to'. then one of them starting to loudly eat while giving the interview
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bedpan posted:then one of them starting to loudly eat while giving the interview A modern day Diogenes.
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Nonsense posted:China is entering recession, all of that will end. 
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Some Guy TT posted:cant actually remember what the horrible evil thing was that they did to become south americas greatest monster in the late teens they were a monster before the late teens because of industrial nationalizations
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bedpan posted:then one of them starting to loudly eat while giving the interview you're confusing two lib podcasts. the first was felix on Lovett or Leave It, an offshoot of Pod Save America, where he said the best thing the US could do in the middle east would be to give Iran a nuke. they cut a lot of his segment and never had anyone lefty on again. Lovett was the only Bernie guy of the three main pod save guys from the obama admin and he got pushed back into line after that ep iirc. the other podcast was some people i forget that hosted matt and virgil. matt made fun of them and virgil ate a banana
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They also made fun of The West Wing and how the regular hosts would let their kids watch it and were flabbergasted at the idea it'll be a bad influence
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Mexico decriminalizes abortion, extending Latin American trend of widening access to procedure MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s Supreme Court threw out all federal criminal penalties for abortion Wednesday, ruling that national laws prohibiting the procedure are unconstitutional and violate women’s rights in a sweeping decision that extended Latin American’s trend of widening abortion access. The high court ordered that abortion be removed from the federal penal code. The ruling will require the federal public health service and all federal health institutions to offer abortion to anyone who requests it.
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mexico's supreme court doesn't have the power that its US counterpart does i think. they ruled to decriminalize drugs years ago and it's still an ongoing process
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it feels like the US is hyping itself up for a punitive expedition against Mexico as part of Cold War 2 for some reason https://twitter.com/Alexander_Avina/status/1699905952529756417?s=20 https://twitter.com/DEAHQ/status/1696625709563736074?s=20
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Elias_Maluco posted:I think China is more pragmatic than anything in their international politics and trade. They were open for business with Brazil even as our president and his supporters smeared them in public all day long Part of it is that since Deng, China has had an official policy of trying to develop the developing world in order to safeguard local manufacturing. They saw that they could be threatened by a widespread capital strike on their manufacturing industry so they are actively investing in the developing world to try to bring their standard of living up enough that there would be no advantage for a multinational to shift their manufacturing to another country since the cost of labor would be too close to that in China and there would be massive infrastructure investments needed to make the shift that China would be able to hold out and win against any attempted international capital strike. They obviously do it for international solidarity and to develop new export markets as well, but bringing up the wages in the developing world enough that they would be immune to foreign capital strikes was a specific point of why they began investing in the developing world.
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Atrocious Joe posted:it feels like the US is hyping itself up for a punitive expedition against Mexico as part of Cold War 2 for some reason Biden probably won't do an invasion, but half of the Republican candidates seem to be wanting to do it during the debates
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mexico is going to be the republican partys afghanistan
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Centrist Committee posted:mexico is going to be the republican partys afghanistan the propaganda music videos coming from guerrillas out of the sierra madres will be way better
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coahuila y tejas shall rise again. move the capital back to saltillo so i can work in better weather
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i say swears online posted:mexico's supreme court doesn't have the power that its US counterpart does i think. they ruled to decriminalize drugs years ago and it's still an ongoing process yeah nothing will get done unless AMLO wills it and he doesnt like that stuff so nothing will get done heres hoping that claudia doesnt suck rear end as well
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even though she'll probably lose all the northern states with the opposition electoral alliance do you think she's still kind of a shoe-in?
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oh this may seem dumb, but would claudia's heritage be welcomed in NL and coah because of secularism? many of my friends in those two states are irreligious and claim heritage from sephardic jews escaping the inquisition many years previous to the period in question
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i say swears online posted:even though she'll probably lose all the northern states with the opposition electoral alliance do you think she's still kind of a shoe-in? Well, let me see... https://politica.expansion.mx/mexico/2022/09/01/encuesta-elecciones-2024-morena-mantiene-ventaja Article says that Morena has 25 percent over the PRIANRD. Also, that 67 percent of people believe they should participate separately. Not a surprise after their alliance has accomplished jack and poo poo. For voting numbers, 57 percent would vote for Morena, while just 33 percent for the PRIANRD. But wait! If Movimiento Ciudadano joins them, that number goes up all the way to... 34 percent.  Guess that their policy of just whining and bitching didn't work. Curious. i say swears online posted:oh this may seem dumb, but would claudia's heritage be welcomed in NL and coah because of secularism? many of my friends in those two states are irreligious and claim heritage from sephardic jews escaping the inquisition many years previous to the period in question I've lived in the north of the country and let me tell you that my personal opinion is... NO. They may claim secularism and irreligiousness, but those areas are also pretty classist and conservative. What I'm saying is brace yourself to see some memes from there that will be copypasted from 4chan.
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i say swears online posted:you're confusing two lib podcasts. the first was felix on Lovett or Leave It, an offshoot of Pod Save America, where he said the best thing the US could do in the middle east would be to give Iran a nuke. they cut a lot of his segment and never had anyone lefty on again. Lovett was the only Bernie guy of the three main pod save guys from the obama admin and he got pushed back into line after that ep iirc. the other podcast was some people i forget that hosted matt and virgil. matt made fun of them and virgil ate a banana the show was called Skulduggery and Iran came up in the episode. I specifically remember them saying that the world would obviously be a LESS dangerous place with a nuclear-armed iran. good poo poo.
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