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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:lol no This is why the program is so secretive. The military failed to keep its secrets and now it has no explanation for the UFOs
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:lol no Yeah they might WANT to keep it all a secret but you're talking about many thousands of people with their own motivations and circumstances no chance
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Aug 31, 2023 17:35
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jokes posted:This is why almost all UFO sightings happen in America This isn't even remotely true.
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It can't be over stated how war throws fuel on the ol' technology fire. For example, when WWI started, no one had a clue how to use those new fangled aero-planes on the battle field. The best they could come up with was just dropping hand grenades from the cockpit: quote:First ordnance dropped from an airplane: Lieutenant Giulio Gavotti dropped grenades from his Etrich Taube airplane on Ottoman troops in Libya on November 1, 1911. Cut to about 40 years later and we're rocking B-52 carrying 70,000 lbs of high yield bombs.  Then another 40 years the B-2 stealth bombers are starting to fly around  We're about another 40 years out from that so I would not be surprised if there are pill shaped super-drones buzzing around.
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Aug 31, 2023 17:39
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D-Pad posted:This isn't even remotely true. Uh, it absolutely is except for western Europe which also has robust technological development and is comparatively the size of a thimble. The US is loving huge and has the second most sightings (Canadian sightings are just American sightings) maybealabia posted:Yeah they might WANT to keep it all a secret but you're talking about many thousands of people with their own motivations and circumstances Technology improves but we never got any better at keeping secrets? No improvement in technology or methodology/process that allows people to watch for potential leaks without their knowledge? No learning from the mistakes of the past? Screening of candidates hasn't improved? We haven't developed better understanding of family/social/psychological backgrounds? jokes fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 17:49
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jokes posted:Why would the experimental program, whose goal is to maintain and expand a technological edge over everyone else, give the technology to anyone, ever? the only thing that could possibly hold back the rabid demands of capitalism in the U.S. of A. would be the aliens themselves if cash money was on the table and hover-tech existed it would get sold the the highest bidder period I refuse to believe any human organization has the ability to not make number go up so either there is no alien crash technology and this is all horseshit, or the aliens/inter-dimensional-space-lizards etc are themselves imposing limits on us, which would make sense as we are kind of assholes
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Aug 31, 2023 17:52
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jokes posted:Uh, it absolutely is except for western Europe which also has robust technological development and is comparatively the size of a thimble. The US is loving huge and has the second most sightings (Canadian sightings are just American sightings) I hate to break it to you but technology has literally made it much harder to keep secrets.
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jokes posted:Uh, it absolutely is except for western Europe which also has robust technological development and is comparatively the size of a thimble. The US is loving huge and has the second most sightings (Canadian sightings are just American sightings) lol syq
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Aug 31, 2023 17:56
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naem posted:the only thing that could possibly hold back the rabid demands of capitalism in the U.S. of A. would be the aliens themselves Super-capitalist America also produces some of the world's most prolific socialists. The motivation of capitalists is rarely shared by the military, much less secret government research labs. In occupied Japan, the US created a frighteningly efficient and robust healthcare system out of nothing-- something that could have been free money for capitalists. Sometimes the interests align, but leaking government research to the entire world to benefit a handful of capitalists doesn't really align with military interests. Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I hate to break it to you but technology has literally made it much harder to keep secrets. Technology has made it much easier to disseminate secrets, but it's become much harder to anonymously leak secrets. Combined with the ability of the state to track everything, I can't imagine anyone thinking they can leak secrets without being caught. And, importantly, if the secrets do get disseminated, the disinformation campaign has already probably sufficiently discredited the leaker Winkle-Daddy posted:lol syq I googled it and picked the result that most aligned with whatever I'm posting about jokes fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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Aug 31, 2023 17:58
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jokes posted:Super-capitalist America also produces some of the world's most prolific socialists. The motivation of capitalists is rarely shared by the military, much less secret government research labs. In occupied Japan, the US created a frighteningly efficient and robust healthcare system out of nothing-- something that could have been free money for capitalists. Sometimes the interests align, but leaking government research to the entire world to benefit a handful of capitalists doesn't really align with military interests. if the top secret US Army Space Commies who are holding back hover cars and fusion etc at the behest of their Advanced Alien Lizard Friends for the last 90 plus years successfully are reading this, are you guys hiring??
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jokes posted:The motivation of capitalists is rarely shared by the military, much less secret government research labs. HAHAHAHA
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:HAHAHAHA Military interests are served by capitalists, capitalist interests are rarely served by the military. One of the military's interests continues to be "take other people's poo poo", of course. For example, even if the ultimate benefactor is Citigroup, the military still wants to take Haitian gold and keep it in America. If an investment bank holds it, or if it's in a military base, it's still an American interest.
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A copy of "Wage Labour and Capital" can be found on the shelves of every Lockheed Martin black site.
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Raytheon is working on hypersonic missiles out of a deep sense of patriotism.
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Raytheon working on hypersonic missiles, making some capitalists absurdly wealthy. Military gets hypersonic missiles.
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Colonoscopy and colon cancer screening technology, that's where I would except to see rapid technological jumps once they start leaking the alien tech. Watch for healthcare startups focused on the colon and the rear end area in general
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UFOs are real: focused on the colon and the rear end area in general
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jokes posted:Uh, it absolutely is except for western Europe which also has robust technological development and is comparatively the size of a thimble. The US is loving huge and has the second most sightings (Canadian sightings are just American sightings) No, it is a bias because you consume english language western media.
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The infamous map of UFO sighting reports that shows a heavy bias for North America and Western Europe is notably gathered from a reporting agency that collects UFO report data only from US sources
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I wonder if butt probing tech and space travel are linked somehow. Aliens make some scientific breakthrough that allows them to travel between stars, and also do a colonoscopy without the goddamn don't-eat & take-pooping-drugs hassle, and they just go hog wild on both because it's zeitgeisty
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Icochet posted:I wonder if butt probing tech and space travel are linked somehow. Aliens make some scientific breakthrough that allows them to travel between stars, and also do a colonoscopy without the goddamn don't-eat & take-pooping-drugs hassle, and they just go hog wild on both because it's zeitgeisty Every opening is an opportunity-- a portal to a new reality
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jokes posted:Every opening is an opportunity-- a portal to a new reality The current prep method is miserable so if I ever have to get a colonoscopy again I volunteer for the guys at CERN to put me in the tunnel and they can boson my neg rear end and try create a wormhole or black hole or whatever to clear out my bowels
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naem posted:if the top secret US Army Space Commies who are holding back hover cars and fusion etc at the behest of their Advanced Alien Lizard Friends for the last 90 plus years successfully are reading this,
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Vakal posted:Then another 40 years the B-2 stealth bombers are starting to fly around
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GABA ghoul posted:Some are drones, some are amphetamine and sleep deprivation induced hallucinations, some are hardware or software artifacts, some we just don't know could be some badly understood natural phenomenon like ball lightning (some people even believe it could be visitors from another planet)  "Mass hysteria". A label applied by skeptics to try and dismiss the evidence of multiple witnesses, when said skeptics want to pretend that what was so effectively witnessed doesn't exist.
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BigBadSteve posted:
LMAO yeah we sure haven't seen plenty of good examples of mass hysteria before. Good thing us humans are just too smart for that and whoever made up that term is ONLY trying to suppress hundreds of expert witnesses at a time to keep on hiding the fact that aliens are zippin around up there in front of everyone, constantly. Good thing we've got forums user bigbadsteve here to set things straight on the matter. Thanks, bigbadsteve.
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I suppose you came down with a bad case of Havana Syndrome too.
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I think a lot of the horse-paste-fueled political insanity lately could be viewed as mass hysteria Misogynistic origins of that term aside
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Aliens are like Voodoo, they only exist and can affect you if you truly believe.
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Someone make a warthunder spinoff where you fly ufos and within a month we're getting spec documents posted to the forum because the anti-grav suppressors are modeled wrong.
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Vakal posted:Aliens are like Voodoo, they only exist and can affect you if you truly believe. This is true there was this alien with gardening gloves that was trying to kill me and my friends in our dreams, back in the 80's. We stopped beliving in him and he just disappeared. Then he came back like a year later and killed us all. 
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dr_rat posted:Then he came back like a year later and killed us all. Oh poo poo, a ghost!
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Vakal posted:Oh poo poo, a ghost! Wait isn't everyone here? I just assumed this is limbo? poo poo.
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deep dish peat moss posted:The infamous map of UFO sighting reports that shows a heavy bias for North America and Western Europe is notably gathered from a reporting agency that collects UFO report data only from US sources There's a similar issue with bigfoot, it turns out there's been a whole lot of sightings in Australia as well, plus a handful in the UK and Russia and a smattering throughout SE Asia That hairy hominid sure does get around!
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Further on "mass hysteria", with more precise language (my bad): Hundreds of people seeing multiple inexplicably fast aircraft of unknown origin flying round at an airshow in broad daylight, for example (which has happened, I saw one case on TV news the day it happened) would be attributed by some pundits to "mass hysteria". Really? Imagine yourself there, do you see you and the rest of the crowd running round with your hands in the air all imagining the same things and panicking? Seriously? Attributing such sughtings to "mass hysteria" is a fantasy concept to try and deny unpalatable (to some) truths. Stupid stuff like QAnon conspiracy theories about what is not seen but purely surmised could indeed be considered a form of mass hysteria, good point. Multiple witnesses miles apart reporting the same UFOs at the same time (as has happened in other cases) with no prompting? "Mass hysteria" is a bullshit "explanation" for that, sadly one too often used, like "swamp gas", by extreme skeptics who just must have a conventional explanation for all sightings, or their faith is dangerously shaken. I'm making no generalities about UFO sightings here, and believe most have good explanations not involving ETs. But "mass hysteria" as an explanation for unexplained sightings is generally laughable, except in very specific cases like the first radio broadcast of War Of The Worlds being mistaken for news reporting by many listeners, causing actual hysteria. Believe it... or not. BigBadSteve fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Sep 1, 2023 |
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There is something to people being primed to explain anything they half see and can't immediately identify or understand as significant and meaningful, though. Conspiracy-minded people are probably much more likely to think they saw something secret and important. Twice in my life I've seen something that I could call a UFO and I really have no explanation for what I saw but I believe it's much more likely that it was my brain poorly interpreting something mundane rather than a top secret alien space ship angel Kaiju ghost or whatever
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maybealabia posted:Twice in my life I've seen something that I could call a UFO and I really have no explanation for what I saw but I believe it's much more likely that it was my brain poorly interpreting something mundane rather than a top secret alien space ship angel Kaiju ghost or whatever The pareidolia effect is hardwired into our brains, it's an automatic cognitive reflex which alerts us to imminent danger by immediately extrapolating from incomplete evidence and dumping adrenaline into the system so we can react faster. It happens to me quite frequently when I'll spot a dark shape near my hand and immediately go "GAH, A SPIDER!" only to then realise it was just a crack in the wall or a bunch of little sticks or something. Your brain fills in the details and if you don't go back for a second look you'll have an incorrect memory of what actually occurred, there's a shitload of psychological studies showing that memories can be incredibly unreliable. One of the best examples from my life was one time when I was walking home at night past a metal railing fence and I spotted a grey object with dark banding darting towards me and my brain went "LOOK OUT, A RACCOON IS ATTACKING YOU!" so I leapt sideways to avoid it. Turns out it was just a rounded cover over a drainage pipe and the 'dark banding' was the shadow from the fence, and the 'darting towards me' was just the shift in perspective as I was walking past. The real kicker is that I live in Australia and we don't even have raccoons here. If I hadn't taken a second look I would have sworn up and down I saw a raccoon.  This is also why anecdotal evidence isn't counted as actual scientific evidence, it's simply not verifiable. BigBadSteve posted:But "mass hysteria" as an explanation for unexplained sightings is generally laughable, except in very specific cases like the first radio broadcast of War Of The Worlds being mistaken for news reporting by many listeners, causing actual hysteria. I'd also include instance where someone reports a weird phenomena (eg: Mothman, chupacabra, Popobawa the assrape demon) and then other people also start reporting sightings
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Vakal posted:Aliens are like Voodoo, they only exist and can affect you if you truly believe. So THAT'S where Mulder went wrong!
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BigBadSteve posted:Further on "mass hysteria", with more precise language (my bad): Just a couple of weeks ago police was combing the woods around Berlin searching for a loving lion after countless people suddenly started reported sightings of lions in the area. The population was even told to stay indoors for safety. All because some idiot uploaded a 3 second grainy video of a boar at night, filmed from a weird angle, that looked vaguely like a lion, if you squint real hard. I don't know what to tell you, mass hysteria is a real thing and it happens all the time around us. It's a fact of life.
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GABA ghoul posted:Just a couple of weeks ago police was combing the woods around Berlin searching for a loving lion after countless people suddenly started reported sightings of lions in the area. The population was even told to stay indoors for safety. All because some idiot uploaded a 3 second grainy video of a boar at night, filmed from a weird angle, that looked vaguely like a lion, if you squint real hard. I don't know what to tell you, mass hysteria is a real thing and it happens all the time around us. It's a fact of life. Have you considered the fact that there might actually be an escaped lion or other big cat loose in the woods?
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