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HootTheOwl posted:They did. I mean you say that, but it's clearly not the case.
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AngryBooch posted:I mean you say that, but it's clearly not the case. It is though. You're being tripped up by the fact that it's bomecrusher giant until the very last moment when we ask "can I cast stomp"
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HootTheOwl posted:It is though. I'm not being tripped up, I understand the rule. I think it's bad and should be changed by WotC.
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I pulled a blood moon in my prerelease kit and thought of Hoot
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big cummers ONLY posted:I pulled a blood moon in my prerelease kit and thought of Hoot And you didn’t actually hoot. Fail.
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AlternateNu posted:God. WotS was four years ago. Sets will be released until morale improves.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Maybe they used all their budget for the year on the DMU/ONE/MOM trailers, gotta be thrifty for the next couple The trailer for MOM was terrible though, and definitely showed signs of them already cheaping out on the animation.
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what? you sure you don't mean a different trailer? because the march of the machines trailer rules. the only bad part imo is how terribly goofy karn's doofus face is in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CvkMPoUNaA&hd=1 like it doesn't have a TON in it, sure, but it's by no means bad at all. and the trailers for crimson vow and midnight hunt are phenomenal, and dominaria united's is also great. hell, even the brother's war's trailer is great even if it's only between two characters.
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big cummers ONLY posted:I pulled a blood moon in my prerelease kit and thought of Hoot Did you play it?
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HootTheOwl posted:Did you play it? No, senpai. I do think it looks good, though 
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WOE trailer: perfectly fine, though I actually prefer most of the clips they've used in their "intersperse the paper-animation and arena gameplay clips" ads I've seen that a lot of them have larger versions in. Lier-Adventure interaction: actually how I would've expected things to work so they shouldn't change it on that basis.
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Captain Invictus posted:what? you sure you don't mean a different trailer? because the march of the machines trailer rules. the only bad part imo is how terribly goofy karn's doofus face is in it You're right, the MOM trailer is sufficiently slick. What dragged down my estimation and recollection of it is that it isn't nearly effective narratively as the trailers for DMU, ONE, or even the other sets you mentioned. Barely a glimpse of the carnage the multiverse invasion supposedly enacts, wastes an opportunity to showcase the other praetors by focusing on Norn (again), and the Phyrexian grunts we see are pretty boring. Nu Elspeth showing up is neat but could easily be some unused previs from any given MCU outing. So in a vacuum it would just be average but comparatively still lackluster IMO. YMMV.
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reignonyourparade posted:WOE trailer: perfectly fine, though I actually prefer most of the clips they've used in their "intersperse the paper-animation and arena gameplay clips" ads I've seen that a lot of them have larger versions in. The unintuitive part is that Lier works, but Past in Flames doesn't. e: The issue gets worse because Adventures look more like split cards (which work with both ways to grant flashback), but they function like double faced cards (which work with Lier but not Past). Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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I would have assumed that Lier would work with adventures, but I don't understand the difference with Past in Flames that makes that one not work Edit: oh is it because Past in Flames grants abilities to specific cards but doesn't see the adventure on a creature card, whereas Lier's ability is a static effect CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I would have assumed that Lier would work with adventures, but I don't understand the difference with Past in Flames that makes that one not work The difference is Lier is a continuous ability and Past in Flames is a one-time-effect. So when you check if you can cast with Lier you apply the continuous effect. This never happens with Past in Flames because the effect was already applied to the instants and sorceries, so when you try and cast you don't have flashback because there's no effect to apply.
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Mat Cauthon posted:You're right, the MOM trailer is sufficiently slick. What dragged down my estimation and recollection of it is that it isn't nearly effective narratively as the trailers for DMU, ONE, or even the other sets you mentioned. Barely a glimpse of the carnage the multiverse invasion supposedly enacts, wastes an opportunity to showcase the other praetors by focusing on Norn (again), and the Phyrexian grunts we see are pretty boring. Nu Elspeth showing up is neat but could easily be some unused previs from any given MCU outing.  , nobody will argue that. but I was more saying that it gets a few beats of the story in and looks great, the budget was still definitely there. I don't think it would be possible for them to properly encompass something like the multiversal invasion much more than they did, the cinematic team was basically given a losing hand from the get go.
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HootTheOwl posted:The difference is Lier is a continuous ability and Past in Flames is a one-time-effect. Oh, I see so Lier doesn't "see" the Adventure either until you start the action to cast the spell, and when it starts that process the card is still in the graveyard and Lier's ability then automatically applies?
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Oh, I see so Lier doesn't "see" the Adventure either until you start the action to cast the spell, and when it starts that process the card is still in the graveyard and Lier's ability then automatically applies? Right. Before you even move it to the stack you have to check if it's legal and when you do you use only the adventure's characteristics. And when you do that you also apply continuous effects. The rules are all quoted in the last page.
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Lier being able to endlessly loop adventures is gonna be a problem in Standard, calling it now
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MOM trailer is dragged down by the being a strictly inferior version of the scars of mirrodin trailer
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I wanted to see what the oldest trailer they had was and wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=190mbXY4En0 what a time capsule
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Froghammer posted:Lier being able to endlessly loop adventures is gonna be a problem in Standard, calling it now idk, do you really think assembling a fragile engine to slowly recur certain adventures is better than just casting a Sheoldred?
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Went to my first paper pre-release in over a year and played round one against the guy with turn 2 bitterblossom two games in a row Edit: I went 2-1 and he went 1-2 despite me seeing 5 on color rares in his deck
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I wanted to see what the oldest trailer they had was and wow you're forgetting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwIPwi_FSVc
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Mezzanon posted:Went to my first paper pre-release in over a year and played round one against the guy with turn 2 bitterblossom two games in a row this guy sounds like a cheating loser. prerelease should be free from such racketeers
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The 4 mana 4/4 Flyer that makes a treasure every time it attacks, with a drat adventure stapled on, is Dream Trawler level painful. Not quite as oppressive really, but geez.
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:you're forgetting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwIPwi_FSVc Slightly older https://youtu.be/KN0zxVkTH6A?si=HAPWyDX_vDzIDbWZ
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:you're forgetting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwIPwi_FSVc magic the gathering owns
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Somberbrero posted:The 4 mana 4/4 Flyer that makes a treasure every time it attacks, with a drat adventure stapled on, is Dream Trawler level painful. Not quite as oppressive really, but geez. Simply grab it for turn with Eriette's tempting apple and then use the treasure from attacking to give it double strike with the adventure side of two-headed-hunter, that's what worked for me  (Actually I ended up losing that game anyway when my opponent got down Phyrexian Unlife at the exact right moment but still, it was a pretty sweet move.)
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Mezzanon posted:Went to my first paper pre-release in over a year and played round one against the guy with turn 2 bitterblossom two games in a row There was a guy in the prerelease at my store that pulled 2 Raid Bombardments. Thought that was kinda nuts, at least until I saw someone else building their deck with Beseech the Mirror, Dark Tutelage, and Necropotence. Absolutely nutty pulls (which makes me sad that my prerelease pack was garbo). At least I was able to get a storybook Sneak Attack though, and grabbed a few of the art cards from the cases I opened for the store I work at as well, because a lot of the art in the set absolutely owns.
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Somberbrero posted:The 4 mana 4/4 Flyer that makes a treasure every time it attacks, with a drat adventure stapled on, is Dream Trawler level painful. Not quite as oppressive really, but geez. It's just a worse Goldspan Dragon
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Silhouette posted:It's just a worse Goldspan Dragon  Doesn't even have haste.
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My pool was meh but I made a good rats deck. 3-2-1. All of my losses were totally my own gently caress ups, first paper I’ve played in awhile and I definitely boned up. Could have turned the draw into a win if I hadn’t moved so slow. Oh well, good lessons. Those rare man lands seem bomby.
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AngryBooch posted:I'm not being tripped up, I understand the rule. I think it's bad and should be changed by WotC. What would you change it to? Is it also unreasonable that t3feri's +1 can let you cast an adventure sorcery at instant speed?
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Went to a paper prerelease for WOE and wow it feels like playing paper is so much more difficult than digital. Keeping track of what plays there are available to me felt so much harder, and 50 minutes to build a deck was what I thought would be too long for me these days ended up being like right around the right amount of time. Went 2-1 with a sick UR spells deck though, the 2/4 uncommon that makes a sorcerer role whenever you play an instant or sorcery is nuts
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Kashuno posted:Went to a paper prerelease for WOE and wow it feels like playing paper is so much more difficult than digital. Keeping track of what plays there are available to me felt so much harder, and 50 minutes to build a deck was what I thought would be too long for me these days ended up being like right around the right amount of time. Were there enough role tokens to go around, given that a color pair tends to make multiple of the same type (black giving out wicked roles for example). Any hints for making tracking easier?
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TacoNight posted:Were there enough role tokens to go around, given that a color pair tends to make multiple of the same type (black giving out wicked roles for example). Any hints for making tracking easier? each prerelease pack has a couple of the role token cards in the pack with your promo so you're at least always guaranteed to have one of each type no matter what 
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