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School uniforms are necessary for when I see children in a WH Smiths at lunchtime so I can report them to their schools in case they look at me funny.
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happyhippy posted:I would say 99.999999% of uniforms only have one item thats branded. standard uniform is gonna be branded blazer/jumper and a school tie, rest of it generally can come from cheap places (unless your kids are autistic and have severe sensory issues which lead you to becoming an expert in shirt fit, trouser seams and arguing trainers are shoes but I digress) where the uniform providers sting the absolute gently caress out of parents is the loving branded PE kit- shorts, t shirt, jogging bottoms, fleece top and socks, all cheaply logo'd shite tier sporting goods sold for thrice what something non poo poo would cost, and you just loving know some corruption/nepotism got the provider the contract If uniforms must be kept then let schools issue a tie free of charge and the rest of the requirements should be sourced at parents discretion, not "well we will make it so the uniform providers can't be quite as greedy, maybe" happyhippy posted:But meh, Kier will u-turn it in a fortnight. but aye, this anyway
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Sep 3, 2023 12:11
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Uniforms are loving stupid anyway, or at least anything beyond "black trousers, polo shirt" or something like that. Stuff you can get anywhere.
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Sep 3, 2023 12:14
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Rappaport posted:
We should make them wear colourful overalls and collect patches from grade one so that by the time they graduate from Otaniemi they will have 20 years worth and a few dozen kilograms of them.
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Sep 3, 2023 12:19
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Huh. Apparently our chief justice chancellor (or whatever the proper translation is) opined that it is against the Finnish constitution to regulate kids' clothing in school, outside of hate symbols and the like which are covered by hate speech laws. I learned something today, thanks! 
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OwlFancier posted:Uniforms are loving stupid anyway, or at least anything beyond "black trousers, polo shirt" or something like that. Stuff you can get anywhere. But apparently the unofficial motto of the DfE is "we refuse to learn."
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Sep 3, 2023 12:21
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My school had a uniform and a dress code. The uniform was a navy sweater with the school badge and a white polo with a navy stripe on the collar, both purchased direct from the school office. The dress code was “dark top, dark trousers, no visible branding”, so it wasn’t very much effort at all to pick out a few outfits that fit the bill for the code while letting you wear what you want. There was a fad for school uniforms among the girls when I was in fourth year and my school had to order ties in to meet the fashion demand because nobody had worn one for a decade!
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Sep 3, 2023 12:28
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Guavanaut posted:The DfE should at very least try to figure out how the whole of the rest of Europe manages without school uniform without all the "kids will form terrorism gangs based on their brand of trainers" fears that come up every single time it is discussed. Honestly the only argument I would entertain is trying to stop kids being made fun of for not being able to afford fancy clothes. But I suspect that would be better achived by schools giving a poo poo about kids being twats in general which they didn't when I was at school.
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Sep 3, 2023 12:58
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And also uniforms really don't do that, otherwise the least classist schools in the country would be the old money public schools with formal dress codes, and I'm fairly sure that is not the case. Even (especially?) in full tie and blazer and your-trousers-must-be-this-shade-of-charcoal schools rich kids will just use dress shoes or watches or items of jewellery that the staff wouldn't dare complain about like gold crucifixes to show off. Or just their name, proper old school classism.
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Sep 3, 2023 13:03
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Guavanaut posted:And also uniforms really don't do that, otherwise the least classist schools in the country would be the old money public schools with formal dress codes, and I'm fairly sure that is not the case. Especially now that phones are such a marker of that kinda poo poo.
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Sep 3, 2023 13:21
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Lmao. You have to admire their determination https://twitter.com/kardyology/status/1682722955464171520?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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Sep 3, 2023 13:29
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, my folks got wooden kitchen surfaces installed and it's nothing but a pain. Have to oil them every 3-6 months to lessen the damage done by spills, but there's still warping & discolouration around the sink. Hmm. My kitchen surfaces are whatever my current landlord provides, but I do have a honking big wood topped kitchen island of my own and I've never had a problem. Mind you I also have a honking big cutting board on top of it where anything messy/slicy happens.
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Sep 3, 2023 13:43
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Guavanaut posted:"Joining the rest of Europe" is still off the table then? Shameful lack of solidarity with the Irish Republic
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Sep 3, 2023 13:46
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Mebh posted:The moment they do say they'll tax the rich and will fund anything even a sliver to the left of Thatcher it'll get pounced on, and it'll be all the media will talk about forever and ever tho right? So instead the country falls apart, everything is poo poo and you have to pay more for it, and the billionaires all leave anyway because who wants to live in a burning shithole where you can't get your treats and you have to look at poor people dying everywhere.
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Sep 3, 2023 13:49
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happyhippy posted:I would say 99.999999% of uniforms only have one item thats branded. I loving wish So far we've got branded jumper, pe hoodie, pe t-shirt, pe trousers and house tie with an optional branded waterproof coat for pe that can only be ordered from one place online E:FB really should have refreshed before hitting post
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Sep 3, 2023 13:54
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Man I remember so many arguments about school uniform as a kid and "not the right shade of navy" Seems so weird and petty in retrospect. My sister's school seemed to have a set number of things that they had to have banned. The girls campaigned for ages to be able to wear black tights and it finally got allowed, then next week the school banned black socks for girls.
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Sep 3, 2023 14:57
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happyhippy posted:I would say 99.999999% of uniforms only have one item thats branded. I hope its more 'Schools cant mandate its a colour/style thats only available from this one particular uniform shop' more than just stopping them putting logos on things. Theres a school round the corner from me and the blazer has this stupid stripe on the lapel which stops anyone from buying it from George or Matalan.
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Sep 3, 2023 15:14
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My school uniform was bottle green and I once got my hair scrunchie confiscated because it was green with black polka dots. I'm willing to bet that the scrunchie didn't interfere with anyone's learning, but me not being able to tie my long hair back during science lessons did. Some parent friends of mine were complaining last year that their kids were only allowed school branded water bottles in class, which cost £5 each.
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Sep 3, 2023 15:25
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A neighbouring school near mine had a brown blazer/yellow shirt uniform, which led to most of us shouting “poo poo and custard” at them whenever they walked by.
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Sep 3, 2023 15:35
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Surprise T Rex posted:A neighbouring school near mine had a brown blazer/yellow shirt uniform, which led to most of us shouting “poo poo and custard” at them whenever they walked by. Twenty eight, you were, etc etc etc
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Sep 3, 2023 15:36
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When I have kids, any of this nonsense from the school about branded water bottles are whatever is going to send me into fits. I hate hate hate this sort of petty loving nonsense and am already fantasising about shouting at the hypothetical headmaster and board of governors
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Sep 3, 2023 15:41
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Surprise T Rex posted:A neighbouring school near mine had a brown blazer/yellow shirt uniform, which led to most of us shouting “poo poo and custard” at them whenever they walked by. That's the uniform of the all girls school here. The yellow shirt is only sold by one shop in the whole town. No one sells female shirts of that exact colour. The school tried kicking up stink of wrong shades of yellow when ordering things online became popular, but no one gave a poo poo. There's a mint green shirt and dark navy uniform of a school here too. Fugly as hell.
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Sep 3, 2023 15:44
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I think my mum was a nightmare for my school. A letter writing, single mum, with no willingness to back down. Undiagnosed ADHD and all, I think I was too. I've not seen anyone from back then since. Probably for the best.
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Sep 3, 2023 15:47
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I mean you definitely don’t have to hand it to Keith but here we see even the most pathetic, milquetoast promise to maybe make school jumpers less expensive branded as “woke insurgency” https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1808865/labour-school-uniforms-woke-insurgency
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Sep 3, 2023 16:41
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My school changed uniform soon after I started. They replaced the old black woolen v-neck jumpers with black sweatshirts. There was a grace period during which either uniform could be worn, but the poorer kids who were using hand-me-downs started getting letters after a while. Fortunately, none of the uniform items were particularly expensive (no blazers or similar poo poo), and being black avoided arguments over exactly which shades were permitted. The simplest option would probably be to standardise school uniform nationally. Make it available at pretty much every supermarket and online retailer. For customisation, let schools sell some kind of sew-on badge or logo, with a requirement that it be supplied at cost. If you absolutely need some variation, authorise a short menu of colour schemes schools can choose from. Actually, I hate children, so make it lime green with orange polka-dots.
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Sep 3, 2023 16:46
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smellmycheese posted:I mean you definitely don’t have to hand it to Keith but here we see even the most pathetic, milquetoast promise to maybe make school jumpers less expensive branded as “woke insurgency” That's why you definitely don't have to hand it to Keith - if kowtowing to the tabloids and giving endless sloppies to capital got you an easier ride as Labour leader then it would at least be a tactic with some sort of justification. Not very good ones, but some. But. It. Never. Works. As here, even suggesting a zero-cost, zero-change policy to reduce uniform costs to families is a 'woke insurgency'. And it doesn't appeal to anyone in the 'real world' either. You might as well go big and say that you're going to get rid of uniforms for kids altogether. Or introduce standardised jumpsuits with red neckerchiefs or something. The Daily Mail will still have fits, the Telegraph will still call you a nation-hating communist and a Guardian columnist will write 800 words about how wearing their school tie with a larger-than-regulation knot was their first act of anti-establishment anarchism that made them the ardent socialist they are to this day.
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Sep 3, 2023 16:53
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The school I teach at has a uniform that involves a variety of items that are specific to the school including the summer socks. That lead to some messages being passed down on high about how we need to have a conversation with our forms about how too many are wearing the wrong socks and instead of being able to wear almost some cheap Primark socks, they have to wear those ones (or the regular long ones / tights) if they didn't want a detention. I really need to get around to talking to the deputy head about why that is such an important thing. Tomorrow's inset day seems like a good way to start the school year by asking!
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smellmycheese posted:I mean you definitely don’t have to hand it to Keith but here we see even the most pathetic, milquetoast promise to maybe make school jumpers less expensive branded as “woke insurgency” See, if we only take one very sickly lamb, judge “hang ‘em all” murdoch might be so impressed by our frugality that he lets us off with a caution!
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Sep 3, 2023 16:58
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smellmycheese posted:Lmao. You have to admire their determination Can't be charged for emissions if your engine doesn't work [tapping head gif]
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Sep 3, 2023 17:04
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sebzilla posted:Can't be charged for emissions if your engine doesn't work [tapping head gif] It's an X-reg Ford Cortina Mk5 so, being over 40 years old it would be MoT, tax, congestion charge and ULEZ exempt anyway.
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Sep 3, 2023 17:16
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I miss our old Ford Cortina. Bought it second hand, had heavily tinted windows due to it being a cop car Best was an old Datsun. Two tone. Gold upper half, brown lower half. Totally seventies car.
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Sep 3, 2023 17:23
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It’s not just me right? She sounds absolutely shitfaced here https://twitter.com/nanaakua1/status/1698070622402695562?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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happyhippy posted:I miss our old Ford Cortina. Me da had a Datsun Cherry when i was a kid and i learned to drive in it years later when it reached banger stage.  edit: smellmycheese posted:It’s not just me right? She's no Moira Stuart... and never will be. 
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crispix posted:what's left of our society is literally falling down around us and the opposition is rachael reeves listing all the things labour will not do if elected to government I would do anything for gov, I would do anything for gov, I would do anything for gov, But I won't do that... Will you let the kids wear normal Primark shoes, Will you scoff that the proles have no-one else to choose, Will you put a cop in every home? I can do that I can do that! Will you spend all your funds on court frivolity, And ignore all the poo that's flowing out to sea, Will you flip-flop over Sadiq's new Zone? I can do that I can do that! Can you picture a different new economy, Can you see a way forward without austerity, Will you fund all the things that need funds? I won't do that No I won't do that! Will you welcome the refugee with open arms, Will you listen to the science on drug-related harms, Will you stop taking cues from The Sun? I won't do that No I won't do that! Will you stand with the workers and bolster all their rights, Will you show up on picket lines for union fights, Will you ever live up to your name? I won't do that No I won't do that! I know elections, baby, I've been around, When the schools turn to dust, and the courts fall down, Surely by then, they'll see Kieth is a clown? Don't bet on that, No don't bet on that
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Sep 3, 2023 17:57
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kinda OT but sad news for anyone who liked to watch Sabine Hossenfelders videos, just released this turd into the toilet bowl that's youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRPHp2EjNR8
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His Divine Shadow posted:kinda OT but sad news for anyone who liked to watch Sabine Hossenfelders videos, just released this turd into the toilet bowl that's youtube No worries, i had already disliked her quite some time ago. 
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Sep 3, 2023 20:17
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i have decided to not let her explain to me
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Sad Panda posted:The school I teach at has a uniform that involves a variety of items that are specific to the school including the summer socks. That lead to some messages being passed down on high about how we need to have a conversation with our forms about how too many are wearing the wrong socks and instead of being able to wear almost some cheap Primark socks, they have to wear those ones (or the regular long ones / tights) if they didn't want a detention. "Embezzlement"
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"Jeremy Hunt under fire after Treasury says no new cash to fix Raac in schools Chancellor had pledged to ‘spend what ever it takes’ on concrete crisis but repair costs will come from existing education budget" Fix schools? No new money! Just fix!
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Uniforms are dogshit but I had to wear one so I'll be damned if we get rid of them now. I actually changed primary school because we moved. The new school didn't have uniforms so my mum made me wear my old schools uniform too the new school.
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