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The X-man cometh posted:Covering a shiny place with black tires could make it harder to identify the plane with a low-res drone camera. Unless you've got up to date targeting information from satellites.
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Kazinsal posted:I'll eat the sixer for this: it's fuckin hilarious in a sad sort of power grubby way that the GIP IK is being a laser beam hardass about casual temporary derails while in equally serious forums like TFR the chief mod and former admin aids and abets derails as long as they aren't making people have psychotic meltdowns about whatever. Thanks for your feedback. This is me contributing my only post on this topic. A couple of points here for anyone watching: 1) Burning Man and whatever forums drama folks were discussing in the Ukraine thread are not on topic. What TFR or other parts of SA do with derails isn't relevant to this discussion because we aren't them. 2) Sometimes people in the Goons in Platoons subforum talk like platoon sergeants talk to their troops. Is it a bit? Maybe a little? But you will also notice that everyone is usually pretty hands off on the 6er buttons and other probes since most of the time those are not necessary. (LOL I am just now seeing that both of you have sixers. Whelp, the point still MOSTLY stands). I don't recognize either of your usernames. It could be my goldfish memory or it could be that your are mostly visiting from other parts of the forums. If you still have heartburn about me talking mean to people, feel free to vent your frustration in an angry PM so we don't clog up this thread with the derail. Hekk fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Sep 3, 2023 |
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The X-man cometh posted:Covering a shiny place with black tires could make it harder to identify the plane with a low-res drone camera. Trash bags seem like a better bet all around, though I guess wind would pick them up more easily than tires.
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PurpleXVI posted:The fact that they invited two of the most despised countries in the world at all baffles me. Like did they really think no one was going to care? What's the reasoning behind banning Iran? I mean, they suck but so do a lot of countries. Is Saudi Arabia there?
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The larger issue is that the tires won't help. At day, they bring significant visual contrast. Under thermal, it's gonna glow like a motherfucker for hours after the airframe has fallen to ambient. They will catch shrapnel, but not enough to prevent much, if any of the damage.
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bulletsponge13 posted:The larger issue is that the tires won't help. Also makes launching a huge pain in the rear end, as someone has to remove all those tires...
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bulletsponge13 posted:The larger issue is that the tires won't help. Also, a few thousand pounds of weight levering down on those wings can't be helping metal fatigue
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goatsestretchgoals posted:
Holy poo poo lurk more.
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CommieGIR posted:Also makes launching a huge pain in the rear end, as someone has to remove all those tires... Nah, just let the wind take them as the plane takes off. Who gives a poo poo about them being in the runway  Seriously though, that screams “DO SOMETHING/ANYTHING” that we’ve probably all experienced to some degree in the US military.
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One of the ongoing effects of Russia’s conflict in Ukraine is that the CSTO did not support Armenia during periods of Azerbaijan’s attacks and blockades. The Russian pundit response varies between “nuh uh” and “we just don’t care about Armenia and the CATO lmao” Armenian leadership (also self-servingly) points to reliance on Russia and the CSTO as a strategic failure, in hindsight.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Seriously though, that screams “DO SOMETHING/ANYTHING” that we’ve probably all experienced to some degree in the US military. We (All the junior enlisted who don't have keys) once had to spend a month pulling fire watches at the shop because some one (A senior enlisted who has keys) forgot to lock the door one day. The door being unlocked was reported to the gunny by a junior enlisted who showed up early and noticed the door wasn't even closed all the way. I'm pretty sure this was gunny's reaction to being told to do something about that.
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mlmp08 posted:One of the ongoing effects of Russia’s conflict in Ukraine is that the CSTO did not support Armenia during periods of Azerbaijan’s attacks and blockades.
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A.o.D. posted:The Road bridge portion of Kerch has two spans. Maybe that's what they were thinking of? Also there's a rail bridge, but that's all considered part of the same bridge 'system'. No I was thinking about there being the Kerch bridge and then a bridge northbound within the Russian sphere of control.
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SerthVarnee posted:No I was thinking about there being the Kerch bridge and then a bridge northbound within the Russian sphere of control. The Chonhar Bridge: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65982817
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Stultus Maximus posted:The Chonhar Bridge: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65982817 Yeah that one. Or apparently what used to be that one. Thanks for the update!
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Kazinsal posted:I'll eat the sixer for this: it's fuckin hilarious in a sad sort of power grubby way that the GIP IK is being a laser beam hardass about casual temporary derails while in equally serious forums like TFR the chief mod and former admin aids and abets derails as long as they aren't making people have psychotic meltdowns about whatever. lol what How the gently caress is this a general thread. The OP of the thread, which I wrote by the way, explicitly says this is the thread for talking about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You want to know which GIP rule the derail broke? The one where I explicitly carved out a means for moderation to occur without a violation of an explicit rule. You want to play rules lawyer, you should have at least read the fuckin' rules. gently caress nobody had even been hit with a 6er when you posted that and Hekk wasn't the one giving them out what the gently caress the more I think about your post the worse it gets what is wrong with you
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SerthVarnee posted:So if those two bridges close and they decide to go all out on ferrying stuff in by boat, how many boats is that even going to take? And do they still have a harbor at both ends capable of handling that sort of shipping load? It'd probably look a lot like when they had to do the same across the Volga.
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psydude posted:Unless you've got up to date targeting information from satellites. You don't even need up to date information. Revetments don't move much, nor do oil stains on an open ramp.
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CommieGIR posted:Also makes launching a huge pain in the rear end, as someone has to remove all those tires... So you're saying they'll get tired? 
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SerthVarnee posted:Moving right along, there was like two bridges connecting Crimea with Russia right? At least two of any significant size big enough to matter. You're probably thinking of the Chonhar bridge which essentially forms a shortcut from north-east Crimea to south-east "mainland" occupied Ukraine. It's less of a vital artery than the Kerch Strait bridge, but is a considerable shortcut over driving the whole way around. The Chonhar Bridge had a hole blasted in it by a Storm Shadow semi-recently and I think some partisans hit the rail connection in the area as well. mlmp08 posted:One of the ongoing effects of Russia’s conflict in Ukraine is that the CSTO did not support Armenia during periods of Azerbaijan’s attacks and blockades. Armania vs Azerbaijan really was the CSTO's chance to show it was ever going to do anything and... it's just been all Russian talk and zero actual effort. As far as I recall, Russian peacekeepers just sat around picking their noses while Azerbaijan engaged in some light ethnic cleansing. Not really a huge surprise, but a pretty huge blow to anyone who expected the CSTO to actually do anything. I don't think you would've seen Russia doing jack poo poo even if they hadn't been busy in Ukraine. Stultus Maximus posted:What's the reasoning behind banning Iran? I mean, they suck but so do a lot of countries. Is Saudi Arabia there? Iran certainly isn't the only country that should face some censure, but yeah, pretty much everything Saudi Arabia gets up to, so does Iran, but Iran in particular suppressed a very big and public uprising against their "morality police" paramilitary groups in the spring of this year. I would expect it to be a response to that. https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1698286463467540686 Meanwhile, in more Ukraine-adjacent chat, here's a Ukrainian tanker's review of the Challenger compared to the T-64, T-72 and T-80 he's crewed on. I think it's interesting to hear Ukrainian crews' opinions of and experiences with all this NATO gear that's otherwise never really been tested in a peer/near peer environment.
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The X-man cometh posted:Covering a shiny place with black tires could make it harder to identify the plane with a low-res drone camera. Yeah, but when it's their BUFF equivalent it's going to be on a giant ramp one way or another, and it's not like you can hide those. They also aren't covering the entire surface, so you still eminently have a plane shape that is readily visible, and if it's low enough res to erase that effect it'd be a handful of pixels for the entire plane anyway. Also what bulletsponge said. It feels like doing something to have done something regardless of its effectiveness to me. But who knows, if Ukraine are doing automatic image recognition to trigger the explosive (instead of GPS or manual) maybe it screws that up somehow.
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Maybe they're hoping the rubber from the tires will be like one of those amusement park games and will bounce the grenade off the bomber? You have to get it perfectly in the hole
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PurpleXVI posted:Meanwhile, in more Ukraine-adjacent chat, here's a Ukrainian tanker's review of the Challenger compared to the T-64, T-72 and T-80 he's crewed on. I think it's interesting to hear Ukrainian crews' opinions of and experiences with all this NATO gear that's otherwise never really been tested in a peer/near peer environment. One of the commonly circulated views about Soviet equipment is that it was designed with ease of maintenance in mind; from what the Ukrainians are saying it sounds like this is very much not the case (at least from a crew member's perspective). Between that and the obvious attention to crew survivability, it sounds like NATO has some great ideas in regards to the end product (if not the procurement process).
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Fearless posted:One of the commonly circulated views about Soviet equipment is that it was designed with ease of maintenance in mind; from what the Ukrainians are saying it sounds like this is very much not the case (at least from a crew member's perspective). Between that and the obvious attention to crew survivability, it sounds like NATO has some great ideas in regards to the end product (if not the procurement process). I think the idea is that the materials and processes required to do repairs on Soviet equipment is basic and simple, but the actual ergonomics and reality of doing it is not easy
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Stravag posted:Maybe they're hoping the rubber from the tires will be like one of those amusement park games and will bounce the grenade off the bomber? You have to get it perfectly in the hole Lawn dart bombs
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Fearless posted:One of the commonly circulated views about Soviet equipment is that it was designed with ease of maintenance in mind; from what the Ukrainians are saying it sounds like this is very much not the case (at least from a crew member's perspective). Between that and the obvious attention to crew survivability, it sounds like NATO has some great ideas in regards to the end product (if not the procurement process). Mederlock posted:I think the idea is that the materials and processes required to do repairs on Soviet equipment is basic and simple, but the actual ergonomics and reality of doing it is not easy Yeah the point is that it's relatively easy and cheap to repair this stuff in the workshop. Three man crews aren't supposed to be doing complex maintenance in the field, and that's also a big reason why so much stuff got left behind in the retreats of 2022; around Kyiv it was unfixable and about Kharkiv it was stacked up in workshops waiting for someone to do something about it.
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Mederlock posted:I think the idea is that the materials and processes required to do repairs on Soviet equipment is basic and simple, but the actual ergonomics and reality of doing it is not easy The interview spoke of crew having to make tools to reach bolts and wasting hours or days doing that kind of work. As I understood it, it sounds like deeper maintenance was never meant to be done by crews but rather by specialized mechanics and armourers in a depot with access to the facilities and tools needed to do the work. This, of course, assumes that those tools are still present and have not been sold off to support foreign arms sales or on the black market. E: Thanks Alchenar
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The X-man cometh posted:Covering a shiny place with black tires could make it harder to identify the plane with a low-res drone camera. and how's that working out for them?
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Alan Smithee posted:and how's that working out for them? Pretty sure they haven't lost any bombers since Operation Goodyear started yesterday.  Hopefully we'll have better news tomorrow.
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Flyinglemur posted:Pretty sure they haven't lost any bombers since Operation Goodyear started yesterday. "Goodyear Reporting" 
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Fearless posted:One of the commonly circulated views about Soviet equipment is that it was designed with ease of maintenance in mind; from what the Ukrainians are saying it sounds like this is very much not the case (at least from a crew member's perspective). Between that and the obvious attention to crew survivability, it sounds like NATO has some great ideas in regards to the end product (if not the procurement process). Ease of production, not ease of maintenance.
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A.o.D. posted:Ease of production, not ease of maintenance. I always heard this was the case. The expectation is that in a no-poo poo war, a tank is expected to survive for 3-something minutes, so better to have 100,000 expendable tanks than 10,000 repairable ones.
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Tbf soviet experience on the eastern front was that tanks would survive a maximum of a week or two before being disabled or knocked out and requiring depot refurbishment anyways.
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The reason they stockpiled so much is because they were expecting a 'come with what you have' war just as much as we were. If something breaks in the tank then it isn't getting fixed in time to take part in operations anyway so don't worry about it.
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Soviet-designed tanks look so small and cramped compared to Western tanks when I've seen them fighting together, like in Iraqi use. I feel sorry for the crews of T-whatevers, that sounds like a terrible job especially considering how explodey they are.
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tiaz posted:e: nm, bit meanspirited for the vfw thread. Then that's a commendable edit.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Soviet-designed tanks look so small and cramped compared to Western tanks when I've seen them fighting together, like in Iraqi use. I feel sorry for the crews of T-whatevers, that sounds like a terrible job especially considering how explodey they are. I remember a story, possibly apocryphal, that some early generations of Russian tankers were explicitly chosen for being short because they could actually fit in the current generation of tanks without needing to be folded into a pretzel. Don't sleep on this one, guy should've been a comedian as well as a politician.
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PurpleXVI posted:
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