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Arrath posted:Truly the problem with embargoes is that they can't access my economy, noted as "#1 producer" of...near enough every important industrial good. Sucks to suck, guys. my lanfang game I drat near established a global rubber monopoly Kneel before Malaysian bicycles, cars, and tanks, paleskins
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Eiba posted:I haven't had a chance to play, but how do you deal with production methods that require electricity when you're a big country and half your provinces have access to electricity? Do you manually have to go through and change each building's production method? Do they make it obvious where electricity is or isn't available on the building list? And just straight get hosed to any idea of electric railroads or street lights unless I'm in some tiny 4 state country, what's the loving point.
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seeing all the mixed PM symbols in the lategame from the building tab is gonna drive my OCD crazy
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, that's exactly my fuckin' concern. Right now the flow is get a new production method that needs electricity, click the button in the Building tab to switch everyone over to that. Seems like when it's state-by-state you've got to go into the building tab, expand it, click onto each one, check how much electricity switching over will need, click back into the state, click on the power plant, see how much surplus it has, compare that to what's needed, back out to the state again, click into the building, turn on the production method, open up the Buildings tab again, repeat. I mean, I guess you could do all that. Or you could just switch it all over and then build wherever it says you have a shortage. Sure you take a bit of a dip but it works out and you save a whole lot of time and effort! I do this all the time. Either you have enough construction capacity to manage it, or you don't have enough buildings for it to be an issue anyway.
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its not just a matter of construction points anymore, you can easily have areas where its not feasible due to population and/or qualifications to run electricity and whatnot now, which means you'd still either have to go back and manually adjust those states or just sit there eating the ramping imput penalty
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Zeron posted:I mean, I guess you could do all that. Or you could just switch it all over and then build wherever it says you have a shortage. Sure you take a bit of a dip but it works out and you save a whole lot of time and effort! I do this all the time. Either you have enough construction capacity to manage it, or you don't have enough buildings for it to be an issue anyway. Honestly, I really like local resources in principle, but I can't see how it's not going to be awkward in practice.
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Idea: another tier of coal/oil eating green button production method, that produces enough electricity to feed it's own building and no more. Upside: random sawmill in bfe can run electric saws without building a whole rear end coal plant in the area. Downside: doesn't get any bonuses to production from throughput or state traits like real deal power stations.
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Eiba posted:You'd really build a power plant in every single province of your empire? Who's going to staff the power plant in Greenland to refrigerate the two fish being produced there? the unemployed that are forced out of glorious Moscow due to automation, so they can maintain their ludicrously high standard of living?  Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:This is more like an alpha than a beta it seems like, with some features not being properly fleshed out. I'm surprised Paradox is pushing it out in this state, to be honest. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean that I wouldn't take its current state as indicative for how the game will play when 1.5 is officially released. im pessimistic about this because describing it as an eu4 mechanic tells me it'll be like..well, eu4 mechanics, where no, this is exactly indicative for how it'll play when 1.5 is officially released. ive had lots of hope paradox will flesh out features that they never, ever do, beyond the "+10% output" or whatever. fingers crossed vicky 3 (continues to?) buck that trend i guess, but it'd be unusual
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Eiba posted:You'd really build a power plant in every single province of your empire? Who's going to staff the power plant in Greenland to refrigerate the two fish being produced there? A lot of the state level locality would accomplish a lot of the same goals operating at a regional level instead. It'd keeps things localized for a global empire without the need to check each individual state. Heck cutting down the discrete sub-markets would make calculating adjacency or goods travel effects possible in real time.
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I am about 90% sure that the companies feature isn't going to end up doing anything particularly clever, not every gameplay mechanic needs to be super complex, it just needs to enable some interesting gameplay decisions. In the case of companies that is giving you a reason to specialise your economy more and potentially generating more opportunities for trade (both imports and exports) My only complaint is that "companies" is a really bad name for what the feature actually does right now, plus there should be more reason to stick with a given company rather than just swapping them around constantly; in the current implementation if you really want you can just use them as a free construction boost for whatever you're working on. RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Sep 2, 2023 |
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, that's exactly my fuckin' concern. Right now the flow is get a new production method that needs electricity, click the button in the Building tab to switch everyone over to that. Seems like when it's state-by-state you've got to go into the building tab, expand it, click onto each one, check how much electricity switching over will need, click back into the state, click on the power plant, see how much surplus it has, compare that to what's needed, back out to the state again, click into the building, turn on the production method, open up the Buildings tab again, repeat. Yeah, this is the problem I have. The UI as it is just doesn't work for managing different production methods in different states.
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RabidWeasel posted:I am about 90% sure that the companies feature isn't going to end up doing anything particularly clever, not every gameplay mechanic needs to be super complex, it just needs to enable some interesting gameplay Still the decision would be more interesting if it's not just a bonus with no strings attached. Allowing them to influence politics might be too much, but I expect some other considerations for not selecting a company except for opportunity cost, and also different effects based on the government. Like maybe in a free market you get double bonus from them but also some sort of malus too. Like tariffs costing more or something.
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ilitarist posted:Still the decision would be more interesting if it's not just a bonus with no strings attached. Allowing them to influence politics might be too much, but I expect some other considerations for not selecting a company except for opportunity cost, and also different effects based on the government. Like maybe in a free market you get double bonus from them but also some sort of malus too. Like tariffs costing more or something. Making the company bonuses different under different laws would be a pretty cool extension
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Different bonuses could be an overkill cause this would make law changes have crazy unpredictable effects, but something like free market doubling both good and bad effects of the company and administrative economy halves the positive impact and removes a negative (not making a political statement here, just talking about gameplay considerations) would be fun. And, again, having a negative effect would probably feel more right for the game where every decision has varied consequences. Here it feels like your choice is between good and very good.
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I've had a chance to play a decent amount of 1.5 today and I'm really looking forwards to the next beta update, the game is so much more interesting while you're doing the whole industrial build up thing and the only bug I've run into so far which is really a problem is having your war goal removed if your war target decides to make itself into a vassal as a sway. Obviously there's a ton of broken stuff to do with the new war system but if you avoid abusing naval landings it seems to work ok (though some wars are unreasonably long)
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Hope the changes are integrated well into UI. Thanks to the feature bloat EU4 has extremely important things hidden behind small barely visible buttons and submenus. Hope I won't have to read devdiaries to understand what's up with the navies.
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The new war visuals are nice but I appear to have airplanes circling above in 1841.
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It might just be a coincidence but the AI feels more aggressive in 1.5. It’s almost 1865 and Prussia has already fought Austria twice for leadership and is now fighting France and Russia for unification. Russia has also invaded Persia and Sweden has tried to puppet the southern puppets of Denmark.
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As Colombia I managed to take British Guinea by asking for it in exchange for joining a war that Britain absolutely didn't need me for (a revolt in India). Thanks 
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Reverse-sway is tuned a bit high, yeah, especially with greater war enthusiasm from the AI. I started up a Qing run yesterday that I probably made unplayable in the first 10 minutes by getting a second institution going, but also has recognition, Singapore, and Dutch Guiyana solely off what the AI will pay to borrow my army.
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uh am i missing something in the beta or is there no way to have barracks demand artillery, fleets demand manowars, etc.
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I haven't been able to figure out how to raise conscripts myself.
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Conscripts don't work at all right now since that system's changing. I tried building some artillery and I think I had it work with one army group, while for all the others it just built the barracks then didn't recruit anyone. The beta looks interesting but it's very rough around the edges to actually play - I poked around a little but I'm waiting for the second beta version to actually put some time into.
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You just right click on the province to raise conscripts now, I'm not entirely sure if this does anything though? The current beta is fine if you just want to gently caress around with laws / economy stuff but there's so many issues with the military (and surprisingly diplomacy which I was not expecting in 1.5) that you can't really play a normal game
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Re the production method/electricity thing, I feel like a simple? solution would be to separate buildings in states which have electricity from those which don't. This doesn't quite solve the problem of making sure you have enough power plants in each state, but at least you'd be able to flick the switch only on those places which have some chance of meeting the electricity demand.
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ya i went back to mainline, the economy changes are exciting though!
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That's basically how I feel about the beta - it's full of interesting and generally good ideas, but it's not a game you can play.
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Luckily "just loving around with the economy" is my preferred playstyle so 1.5 works great for me
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For artillery, you can build explicit artillery/cavalry units via the army tab. It all gets aggregated into barracks, but building it this way will get you artillery demand at least instead of building barracks itself. I'm guessing its the same deal with light/capital ships, but I didn't experiment that far. I think army is also where you set if a commander is on the offensive or defensive. It's definitely alpha/early beta stuff with a mess warfare is, but I'm glad they're tackling the current war issues at least and am happy to wait and see how it turns out. Also had a front hell appear for a sec in a Russia 1.4 game. It wasn't a problem here, but I've never seen fronts fracture so hard like this. 
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Gort posted:That's basically how I feel about the beta - it's full of interesting and generally good ideas, but it's not a game you can play. makes sense, they warned it was still in the dev cycle. I’ll pick it back up after an iteration or two
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The next update is in 2 weeks and I assume that it will be significantly more "playable"
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Hotfix just hitquote:Fixes include: Nothing too interesting except the AI port fix
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is it just me or is the sun rising in the west and setting in the east??
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Lady Radia posted:is it just me or is the sun rising in the west and setting in the east?? Apparently their original lighting model doesn't work if the sun rises correctly lol
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It’s not just you. Phoneposting right now so I don’t have a link handy but apparently paradox set it up that way because otherwise the lighting looks like poo poo. e; beaten
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Is there a list of common exploits? Stuff like sending dual naval invasions to get a foothold.
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StashAugustine posted:Apparently their original lighting model doesn't work if the sun rises correctly lol Grizzwold posted:It’s not just you. Phoneposting right now so I don’t have a link handy but apparently paradox set it up that way because otherwise the lighting looks like poo poo. Excuse me
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Look you play the game on a giant map table, obviously it's set up such that "map up" is South in the council room.
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Lady Radia posted:Excuse me https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/sun-rises-in-the-west.1597847/post-29123619 PDX_H4n1baL Victoria 3 Game Design Lead posted:The short answer remains if we "fixed" the sun lighting direction, the map and all objects on it would look worse in most situations and that's not something we're willing to do. Which makes me wonder why they decided to do day/night cycles at all if this is the only way you can make it work.
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