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An analyst saying "meat-wave zerg-rush" is setting off my bullshit alarm something fierce
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Sep 6, 2023 11:22
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Gort posted:An analyst saying "meat-wave zerg-rush" is setting off my bullshit alarm something fierce Yeah, actual experts would compare it to Peter Jackson's orc waves
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Sep 6, 2023 12:03
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Reminds me of the early days of the war when people, some of them surprisingly high ranked public officials or institutions, were trying to compare Putin to Voldemort in an effort to drum up Western support. It was so cringe I almost believed it was reverse psychology by Russian agents
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Sep 6, 2023 12:21
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I think "Dark Lord" would be Sauron and not Voldemort. Hence use of "orcs" for Russian Troops.
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Sep 6, 2023 12:35
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Brood War came out 23 years ago, I think it's pretty well established nomenclature for online posting by now.
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Sep 6, 2023 12:36
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UA has wiped out the VDV and Wagner, that is progress.
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Sep 6, 2023 14:02
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Has it?
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Sep 6, 2023 14:05
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LifeSunDeath posted:UA has wiped out the VDV and Wagner, that is progress. The 76th Guards Airborne is a VDV unit.. I also question Brynn's assertion that it is the "few" units capable of offensive action given what has occurred in Kupiansk and Kreminna.
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Sep 6, 2023 14:42
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TheRat posted:Has it? “Wiped out” is perhaps a stretch but “made both units combat ineffective in Ukraine” isn’t
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Sep 6, 2023 14:44
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LifeSunDeath posted:UA has wiped out the VDV and Wagner, that is progress. Some things might live on in name only, i've no idea what the casualty/attrition % is for the VDV but i doubt that it's positive for them.
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Sep 6, 2023 14:51
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Scratch Monkey posted:“Wiped out” is perhaps a stretch but “made both units combat ineffective in Ukraine” isn’t VDV units are still active
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Sep 6, 2023 14:53
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fatherboxx posted:VDV units are still active Sure, but there's a question as to what those VDV units are actually comprised of - are they still highly-trained pre-war soldiers or reconstituted from newly raised volunteers? I'm reminded of the carrier battles in the Pacific in ww2, where the IJN lost basically irreplacable veteran flight crews even if they technically won the battle. Eventually the elite squadrons from the beginning of the war became elite in name only.
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Sep 6, 2023 15:36
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MikeC posted:I also question Brynn's assertion that it is the "few" units capable of offensive action given what has occurred in Kupiansk and Kreminna. Months of inclusive trench warfare? Isn't that consistent with exhaustion?
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Sep 6, 2023 15:50
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Looks like Russia has withdrawn from robotyne.
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Sep 6, 2023 15:51
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Funny was of saying they got kicked out like two weeks ago.
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Sep 6, 2023 15:52
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Volmarias posted:I meant more that if you can add a large number of even more inexpensive flying decoys, you don't actually have to give them sensors or explosives; it doesn't matter if they survive if their only job is to eat an AA munition instead of a drone that's got explosives, a camera, and the ability to recognize "that's an airplane" or "that's a boat" in the general vicinity of where you send it. All it needs to do is be able to travel in roughly the same direction at the same speed and be difficult enough to distinguish from the actual munition drones that it can contribute to overwhelming AA. This is what Azerbaijan did during the 2020 war with Armenia. Except they took 1940s vintage AN-2 Colt biplanes and rigged them up with some kind of auto flying function then flew them into Armenian airspace. Armenia would see them on their radar and fire AA missiles at them which would then give away their position. Then Azerbaijan would hit the AA systems with drones. The cost to Azerbaijan was nil but the cost to Armenia was significant.
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Sep 6, 2023 16:10
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Neophyte posted:Sure, but there's a question as to what those VDV units are actually comprised of - are they still highly-trained pre-war soldiers or reconstituted from newly raised volunteers? I'm reminded of the carrier battles in the Pacific in ww2, where the IJN lost basically irreplacable veteran flight crews even if they technically won the battle. Eventually the elite squadrons from the beginning of the war became elite in name only. I think it was Jack Watling that pointed out that while VDV units have taken very heavy casualties, they seem to be able to regenerate combat power more effectively than "regular" line rifle units. That is, they can take in new recruits and turn them into effective soldiers. The latest RUSI report had a similar conclusion of Russian tank crews based on the actual performance of Russian tanks on the defense during the Ukrainian counteroffensive this summer. As much as we may be astonished that Russia can reconstitute viable combat power, the facts suggest that they can, in fact, do so. Permit me a moment of ungracious smugness when I posted in late Spring 2022 that people underestimate just how quickly militaries can recover from catastrophic defeats in battle.
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Sep 6, 2023 16:20
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I'd also argue a force reconstituted with green soldiers is still combat effective, you just can't use them like you did before. Or shouldn't rather.
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Sep 6, 2023 16:25
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mutata posted:Brood War came out 23 years ago, I think it's pretty well established nomenclature for online posting by now. Yeah I was going to say, the game is old enough that someone with a decade plus of academic and analysis experience could have easily played it as a kid. And yes, that should make you feel old, just like when I recently learned one of my coworkers wasn't born when 9/11 happened.
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Sep 6, 2023 17:20
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Moon Slayer posted:And yes, that should make you feel old, just like when I recently learned one of my coworkers wasn't born when 9/11 happened. 
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Sep 6, 2023 17:42
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was in a meeting a little while ago and someone was talking about the new WTC. One of the interns asked "what happened to the old one?". That's when you bust out your tattoo of a QR code that links to a Zeitgeist/Loose Change YT playlist. Teach your children well. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 6, 2023 18:06
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Ynglaur posted:I think it was Jack Watling that pointed out that while VDV units have taken very heavy casualties, they seem to be able to regenerate combat power more effectively than "regular" line rifle units. That is, they can take in new recruits and turn them into effective soldiers. The latest RUSI report had a similar conclusion of Russian tank crews based on the actual performance of Russian tanks on the defense during the Ukrainian counteroffensive this summer. I guess they didn't send ALL of their trainers to the front line last year when things were tight.
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Sep 6, 2023 18:28
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was in a meeting a little while ago and someone was talking about the new WTC. One of the interns asked "what happened to the old one?". weforgot.jpg
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Sep 6, 2023 18:38
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I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't rigged up a drone that has a grenade launcher pointing downwards. Like a simple launcher like a Mk79. I've seen videos of the drones that simply drop grenades and I they are really good at it but also it seems they way they drop they wobble a lot and so accuracy isn't the best. If they were shot out of a rifled tube I'm sure the accuracy would be greatly improved. But maybe it's a weight issue. The drones can carry individual grenades but maybe a launcher would be too much for all but the larger drones.
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Sep 6, 2023 19:32
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ever shot a bullpup shotgun with no weight in the stock?
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Sep 6, 2023 19:33
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Charliegrs posted:I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't rigged up a drone that has a grenade launcher pointing downwards. Like a simple launcher like a Mk79. I've seen videos of the drones that simply drop grenades and I they are really good at it but also it seems they way they drop they wobble a lot and so accuracy isn't the best. If they were shot out of a rifled tube I'm sure the accuracy would be greatly improved. But maybe it's a weight issue. The drones can carry individual grenades but maybe a launcher would be too much for all but the larger drones. You are turning a system designed to be ultra cheap and disposable to a system that is more costly yet will incur the same, very high attrition rate.
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Sep 6, 2023 19:41
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Charliegrs posted:I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't rigged up a drone that has a grenade launcher pointing downwards. Like a simple launcher like a Mk79. I've seen videos of the drones that simply drop grenades and I they are really good at it but also it seems they way they drop they wobble a lot and so accuracy isn't the best. If they were shot out of a rifled tube I'm sure the accuracy would be greatly improved. But maybe it's a weight issue. The drones can carry individual grenades but maybe a launcher would be too much for all but the larger drones. a mavic drone couldn't carry that much extra weight (I think the lift limit is like 3 pounds), and only really heavy drones could handle the recoil but it would tear up the motors. dropping grenades is very effective and accurate, see videos where they swish them into hatches on tanks and APCs.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:01
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Charliegrs posted:I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't rigged up a drone that has a grenade launcher pointing downwards. Like a simple launcher like a Mk79. I've seen videos of the drones that simply drop grenades and I they are really good at it but also it seems they way they drop they wobble a lot and so accuracy isn't the best. If they were shot out of a rifled tube I'm sure the accuracy would be greatly improved. But maybe it's a weight issue. The drones can carry individual grenades but maybe a launcher would be too much for all but the larger drones. Like you said, there's no extra capacity for that kind of thing, which wouldn't improve efficiency when you consider the reduction in grenade weight. Also I don't think that Mk79 has laser accuracy either, especially when shot from a lightweight drone thrown around by wind. A bettert application would be an Uzi drone, anyway, if we were to ignore physics.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:03
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incorporating physics, a tiny drone with 1 .22lr bullet or a few grams of high explosive probably scares me the most for potential political destabilization
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Sep 6, 2023 20:13
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Charliegrs posted:I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't rigged up a drone that has a grenade launcher pointing downwards. Like a simple launcher like a Mk79. I've seen videos of the drones that simply drop grenades and I they are really good at it but also it seems they way they drop they wobble a lot and so accuracy isn't the best. If they were shot out of a rifled tube I'm sure the accuracy would be greatly improved. But maybe it's a weight issue. The drones can carry individual grenades but maybe a launcher would be too much for all but the larger drones. According to news items I've seen, there's a lot of people in Baltics and Poland who are 3D printing large quantities of stabiliser fins for drone delivered grenades. Not sure how much that helps, but I assume it does.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:14
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a podcast for cats posted:According to news items I've seen, there's a lot of people in Baltics and Poland who are 3D printing large quantities of stabiliser fins for drone delivered grenades. Not sure how much that helps, but I assume it does. If theyre 3d printing so many at this point, it seems like someone should just start injection molding these and mass producing some purpose built drone grenades. For a product like this, the casing, fins etc could be done pretty easily
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Sep 6, 2023 20:21
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Charliegrs posted:I'm surprised that Ukraine hasn't rigged up a drone that has a grenade launcher pointing downwards. Like a simple launcher like a Mk79. I've seen videos of the drones that simply drop grenades and I they are really good at it but also it seems they way they drop they wobble a lot and so accuracy isn't the best. If they were shot out of a rifled tube I'm sure the accuracy would be greatly improved. But maybe it's a weight issue. The drones can carry individual grenades but maybe a launcher would be too much for all but the larger drones. Being able to carry an extra 3-6 grenades on a quadcopter drone is probably always going to be better than the weight of a grenade launcher. You can put fins on the grenades and drop them to within a few meters accuracy, which is plenty for a grenade in a field or trench
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Sep 6, 2023 20:23
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My guys the drone is the launcher. A purpose of the grenade launcher is to take the grenade to where you want it to go to. You know, like you're doing it with the drone.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:25
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Vahakyla posted:My guys the drone is the launcher. A purpose of the grenade launcher is to take the grenade to where you want it to go to. You know, like you're doing it with the drone. No we need a gunpowder propellant or it's not a gun 
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Sep 6, 2023 20:28
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if this war doesn't lead to purpose built bomber drones becoming a thing, I'd be shocked. who knows what the capacity and accuracy could be if they were built from the ground up to do it, instead of being a strapped on bootleg mechanism that requires an auxiliary light to activate it.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:31
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Just put four grenade launchers in a compas rose configuration and fire them all at the same time. The momentum from each will be canceled out and it'll be the closest thing you'll ever get to casting an AoE spell.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:32
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UAV death blossom
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Sep 6, 2023 20:34
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Moon Slayer posted:Just put four grenade launchers in a compas rose configuration and fire them all at the same time. The momentum from each will be canceled out and it'll be the closest thing you'll ever get to casting an AoE spell. This, my child, is the Zybourne Drone.
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Sep 6, 2023 20:43
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this interview has some amazing tidbits, like pilots getting paid less than regular enlisted and not being given quarters and being told to man up and find your own place to sleep??? Then some commander having 2 helicopters run a sortie to pick up a purebred cat they stole and bring it back to russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA34FKBFcQA
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Sep 6, 2023 20:45
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Nenonen posted:No we need a gunpowder propellant or it's not a gun
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