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Nothingtoseehere posted:I've sent OOTS to a few people who only got into D&D for 5e and they've enjoyed it, it holds up. My wife who is completely non geeky (and never re reads stuff) read up to the empire of blood a few years back, this morning she said "tell me when it's finished and I'll read the whole thing again."
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sebmojo posted:My wife who is completely non geeky (and never re reads stuff) read up to the empire of blood a few years back, this morning she said "tell me when it's finished and I'll read the whole thing again." Maybe you can tell her that she can start getting through the last 10 years of the comic and she might arrive to the finish almost in real time
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Me and my daughter are keeping up to date, she's happy to wait until it's all finished which I can respect.
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Nenonen posted:Maybe you can tell her that she can start getting through the last 10 years of the comic and she might arrive to the finish almost in real time Doubtful. More likely, she'd just wind up in here with the rest of us, kvetching about the update pace and debating alignments.
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Nenonen posted:Maybe you can tell her that she can start getting through the last 10 years of the comic and she might arrive to the finish almost in real time That's like 10 strips though
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Nothingtoseehere posted:I've sent OOTS to a few people who only got into D&D for 5e and they've enjoyed it, it holds up. Amusingly, I'm the opposite. 95% of the my D&D time has been with 1st/2nd ed. sfwarlock fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Sep 7, 2023 |
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sfwarlock posted:Amusingly, I'm the opposite. 95% of the my D&D time has been with 1st/2nd ed. All the weird percentage-based stats and circumstances scare me, but I do use 2e books a lot for inspiration in my 3.5e games. Never actually played 2e.
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Nenonen posted:Maybe you can tell her that she can start getting through the last 10 years of the comic and she might arrive to the finish almost in real time That's like, a week of reading, max
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If she rereads a page a day from the beginning it would take 3 and a half years to catch up, maybe the comic would even be finished by then.
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sirtommygunn posted:If she rereads a page a day from the beginning it would take 3 and a half years to catch up, maybe the comic would even be finished by then. nah the next page def won't take 3.5 years to come out
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How many strips are left? 100? I know it's a spitball, I think we could make an educated guess.
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sebmojo posted:How many strips are left? 100? I know it's a spitball, I think we could make an educated guess. Well, the previous book had 242. The largest book had 273. The current book has 98. So between 150 and 200 more strips is probably a reasonable range.
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Put me in for 375 as my guess on the non-existent betting pool.
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sebmojo posted:How many strips are left? 100? I know it's a spitball, I think we could make an educated guess. Each of the previous books has been ~150-250 (increasing over time) strips and we're about 100 into this book. Considering I doubt this book will be shorter than the last book that means we've got at least 150 chapters to go, probably more.
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It's kinda hard to judge because updates have become multi-page occasionally, especially after the art shift.
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As much as the latest twist points toward things coming to a head, there's no way the comic ends without the Order going into the Snarl's world. That as much as anything tells me we have 100 pages still.
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Yeah, I think we have at least two, maybe three full story arcs left before we're actually done here. This arc probably ends with either Xykon or Redcloak neutralized, so there's still whichever one remains standing, plus the matter of the Snarl and the planet inside the gates, which I would be shocked if that didn't end up being a large portion of the remaining story from here on out. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a solid 200 to 300 more pages until the end.
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I've always gotten the feeling that we're still many years away from the comic's final strip despite Rich saying this is definitely the last book
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I've always gotten the feeling that we're still many years away from the comic's final strip despite Rich saying this is definitely the last book I mean to be fair we could be many years away from the comic's final strip if we had 10 strips to go.
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The only way I see this resolving in a single book is if the "final battle" kicks off in the next four or five strips. There's too many balls in the air and even if some of them are dealt with perfunctorially (a monster in the shadow reveal is a good bet for an anticlimax joke), a lot of them need some space to breathe. But maybe Rich has the ending plotted out down to the panel and it's all set up...
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I've always gotten the feeling that we're still many years away from the comic's final strip despite Rich saying this is definitely the last book he's doing like 25 strips a year at the moment, so at least five years sounds about right.
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Calling it now: Like GRRM, he will die before finishing it.
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LiterallyATomato posted:Calling it now: will Brandon Sanderson finish this one too?
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"Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies". It's a DnD trope he hasn't dealt with yet, that also handily takes care of ending the story in one book.
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LiterallyATomato posted:Calling it now: Please don't say that, he already had one health scare that led to him taking it easier for his health.
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Random Stranger posted:The only way I see this resolving in a single book is if the "final battle" kicks off in the next four or five strips. There's too many balls in the air and even if some of them are dealt with perfunctorially (a monster in the shadow reveal is a good bet for an anticlimax joke), a lot of them need some space to breathe. But maybe Rich has the ending plotted out down to the panel and it's all set up... At this point, i doubt Rich has any space for anything else in his outline if he doesn't have it completely plotted already. At minimum we need to deal with: Xykon Redcloak MitD The IFCC Eugene The Snarl and that's a list just off the top of my head. I'm absolutely sure there's another plot hook or three dangling that I'm forgetting about. Rich has stated that this is gonna be the final book, though, so I'm sure it's gonna be closer to 300 pages than 250 given what we still got left if he touches on everything. I just don't see him going back on that and doing another 300+ pages to get another book out of it.
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the final book not counting the epilogue or book 5 intermission 2
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Robviously posted:At this point, i doubt Rich has any space for anything else in his outline if he doesn't have it completely plotted already. At minimum we need to deal with: And I'm not necessarily sure of this list that Eugene needs more than like a page. Especially if people are overthinking the extent Eugene's meddling is "bad" vs him trying to find a way of helping that Roy won't reject out of hand that doesn't just get brushed off ultimately. I think the remainder of the MitD's arc is tied up in however the Xanatos Pileup resolves between Redcloak and Xykon. Assuming he survives it, what's left probably I assume gets tied up as part of the Epilogue, Eugene's thing also feels like an Epilogue "after the danger is over" kind of thing. So really its Snarl and Xykon vs Redcloak and however the IFCC fits into everything.
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Robviously posted:At this point, i doubt Rich has any space for anything else in his outline if he doesn't have it completely plotted already. At minimum we need to deal with: There's probably going to be something with Tarquin, too.
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The X-man cometh posted:There's probably going to be something with Tarquin, too. naw, maybe a page of haley's dad loving him up.
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This might be an epilogue thing, but I think if we see Tarquin again, we will see Sabine enacting revenge, probably through murder.
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LiterallyATomato posted:This might be an epilogue thing, but I think if we see Tarquin again, we will see Sabine enacting revenge, probably through murder. I think part of the problem here is this plays into Tarquin's narcissism. Her getting revenge is very Count of Monte Cristo and he'd want nothing more than to be someone's Count of Monte Cristo villain if he can't be the big bad evil guy for Elan, than he'll absolutely accept killing Nale resulting in him dying at Sabine's hands as an acceptable Plan B. Being defeated off screen by a bunch of no-named nobodies and the Dad of his Son's girlfriend is humiliating and he'll ripe out his own arms to be killed by Sabine instead. Maybe Sabine does something to help topple him but taking painstaking care to avoid giving Tarquin what he wants.
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The fact that Rich is making regular money off Patreon (which he should have been doing from the start) also means that there's no rush for him to wrap things up. (I just checked and the last bi-monthly Q&A on the Patreon was in March)
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DeadBonesBrook posted:(which he should have been doing from the start) Would be a neat trick, since OOTS was 10 years old when patreo n launched.
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Robviously posted:At this point, i doubt Rich has any space for anything else in his outline if he doesn't have it completely plotted already. At minimum we need to deal with: I'd add the gods to that, plus Belkar's gotta die. There's a lot of emotional beats that need to be hit and they can't be done at the pole, so there will almost certainly be a lengthy epilogue where everyone reconciles with the important people in their life and we see what they do afterward. And narratively, I wouldn't expect this to wrap up in one fight at the end of this dungeon; it would make sense to see the Order thrash Team Evil to demonstrate how much they've improved and how effective they are as a team and then have a turnaround on just bad luck. Then they could have an actual final battle with Xykon where they're at a disadvantage giving us a heroic triumph. The big things to resolve are going to need a lot of space. Facing down the Snarl (for whatever that means) and understanding what's the deal with the world within it can't be addressed in eight pages. Redcloak can't be resolved in a three page speech. These are the big moments that the strip has been building toward for over twenty years and they're going to need some room to built up to that climax and space to deal with the consequences of it and that page count is going to add up.
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Gobbotopia and the Azure City Remnant are also very unresolved and I suspect they will amount to more than a peace treaty in the epilogue given how much groundwork have been laid for them. Last I heard, Rich had said that this would be both the final and the longest of the books, so I'd wager we're at most a third of the way through the book, and cast my vote for it being at least 350 strips and 400+ pages by the end.
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If there are around 250 pages left and Rich is putting out 2 pages a month, we've got another 10 years worth of story left
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Gobbotopia and the Azure City Remnant are also very unresolved and I suspect they will amount to more than a peace treaty in the epilogue given how much groundwork have been laid for them. i think Gobbotopia and the Azure City remnants are about as resolved as they're going to be, at least within the context of this story it's gonna be one of those rocky problems that future generations (and the gods) have to deal with, not something that's going to get wrapped up all neat and tidy on the page while our heroes watch
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