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I've heard the reason for the extremely hard cut nearing the end of Overdrawn at the Memory Bank was that they cut like, a whole third of it.
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There's a lot of little scenes cut, but the only ones that really matter are the ones that cement how dangerous it is for the girl to keep connecting with Fingal in the computer. Outside of that it's just more of what's already in the movie.
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muscles like this! posted:My understanding is that with Mitchell they got the TV edit, which cut the John Saxon scene. Yeah, when a lot of people complain about the cuts they don't take into account what print of the movie the Brains (or NuMST3K or RiffTrax) got.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, when a lot of people complain about the cuts they don't take into account what print of the movie the Brains (or NuMST3K or RiffTrax) got. In the case of Munchie, hopefully a film print they burned and buried the ashes of on consecrated ground to ensure its evil is cleansed from the Earth.
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Sardonik posted:You guys link Joe Don Baker movies? This post tickled me more than it should have.
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Morter posted:This post tickled me more than it should have. Yeah, that needs to be praised. Well done, Sardonik.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:In the case of Munchie, hopefully a film print they burned and buried the ashes of on consecrated ground to ensure its evil is cleansed from the Earth. You rear end in a top hat, you’re going to get us all killed slandering Munchie like that. We live and die on his whims, don’t you know that?! Forgive us, Munchie, forums user Neddy Seagoon knows not what he says.
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Uncut Munchie invokes terrible imagery
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Morter posted:This post tickled me more than it should have. Dawgstar posted:Yeah, that needs to be praised. Well done, Sardonik. WhiteHowler posted:There was a Munchie Sequel.
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You know a movie's bad when you can't even get Dom DeLuise to come back.
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I'm kind of surprised they never did Munchie back in the day considering how absolutely noxious it is.
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On the subject of cuttng scenes, The Sidehackers had several scenes involving sexual assault cut, to the point where Crow had to mention that Rita was dead, because it'd be kind of hosed up to show what happened to her on MST3K. Not coincidentally, it was the last time they picked a movie for the show without screening it in full first.
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On the flip side, I seem to remember from watching the Mads livestream of Manos, that the MST3K version didn't actually cut a whole lot from it. Similarly, the non-MST3K version of Space Mutiny didn't have a whole lot trimmed from it (mainly just a little character background stuff on the guy with the cane, who later gets "bravely" roasted by Big McLargehuge).
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The cut they used of Devil Fish didn’t resemble the regular version you can get on dvd at all from what I saw of it. Stuff in wildly different orders.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:On the flip side, I seem to remember from watching the Mads livestream of Manos, that the MST3K version didn't actually cut a whole lot from it. But I haven’t seen that MST episode in a while and the Mads’ version was a restored print so maybe it was just easier to follow because you could see and hear things so I thought there was more.
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I remember seeing maybe an extra scene or two with the wives toward the end but not a whole lot seemed all that changed. The biggest difference is that the restored print adds in so much detail that was totally absent from the TV edit. It actually looks like a proper film, still a very crappy one, but there's at least some fundamental level of artistic vision there.
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exquisite tea posted:I remember seeing maybe an extra scene or two with the wives toward the end but not a whole lot seemed all that changed. The biggest difference is that the restored print adds in so much detail that was totally absent from the TV edit. It actually looks like a proper film, still a very crappy one, but there's at least some fundamental level of artistic vision there. Only a genius could bring Torgo to this undeserving world.
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Murdstone posted:I thought exactly the opposite. I felt like there was more with the Manos wives and more parts to the climax. I meant they probably didn't cut much from it in the same sense as Space Mutiny, in that if they did cut anything it was just stuff that didn't add much to the plot. Manos only has a 1 hour 10 minute runtime (even though it feels a looooot longer), so they likely only cut enough stuff to make sure it fit into the show's 2 hour (realistically 90 minutes without commercials) runtime. This also reminds me of what Kevin Murphy had to say about trimming actual WW2 bombing footage from Invasion of the Neptune Men: Kevin Murphy posted:Suffice it to say that the reprehensible nature of Invasion of the Neptune Men is embodied in the filmmaker's choice to use actual WWII file footage in what is ostensibly a children's film. To glibly summon the darkest shadows of our century because one has run out of models to blow up is to stoop to Schumacherian levels of banality. Though we as a rule cut only for time, we also cut for violent content, and we very clearly considered arial bombardment footage of Japan to be of a violent nature.
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exquisite tea posted:I remember seeing maybe an extra scene or two with the wives toward the end but not a whole lot seemed all that changed. The biggest difference is that the restored print adds in so much detail that was totally absent from the TV edit. It actually looks like a proper film, still a very crappy one, but there's at least some fundamental level of artistic vision there.
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I demand my copy of Final Justice on 4k Blu-ray. Come on, Vinegar Syndrome, I know you love that Graydon Clark garbage.
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Hogama posted:I'm all for crystal clear visions of terribleness. It's not like a cleaned up print of The Castle of Fu Manchu is going to make it a good movie. I'm the opposite; Manos as seen on MST3K has a hazy, fairly sleazy quality that makes it just a wee bit unnerving if you're watching it alone at like 4 AM, even with Joel and the Bots riffing on it (same with Zaat!/Blood Waters of Dr. Z). Seeing it in pristine 4k quality removes that, so while it's certainly a lot easier to laugh at, it kind of loses its' sleazy "charm", if that makes any sense.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Seeing it in pristine 4k quality removes that, so while it's certainly a lot easier to laugh at, it kind of loses its' sleazy "charm", if that makes any sense. Sardonik posted:In the RLM review of Zaat/The Blood Waters of Dr. Z they show a scene cut from the MST3K cut where the police escort a conga line of hippies into jail for their safety
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Sydney Bottocks posted:On the flip side, I seem to remember from watching the Mads livestream of Manos, that the MST3K version didn't actually cut a whole lot from it. Similarly, the non-MST3K version of Space Mutiny didn't have a whole lot trimmed from it (mainly just a little character background stuff on the guy with the cane, who later gets "bravely" roasted by Big McLargehuge). There's also a sex scene cut from Space Mutiny. Also, the racist cabbie from Time Chasers.
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Sybil on Sunday on CBS Sybil on Sunday on CBS Sybil on Sunday on CBS Sybil on Sunday on CBS
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Hogama posted:Man, there's a whole bunch of stuff I can't cross off my wheel chart now! That wheel chart is like something you'd find in Zodiac's basement. I'm actually concerned about the prop maker that built it.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:On the flip side, I seem to remember from watching the Mads livestream of Manos, that the MST3K version didn't actually cut a whole lot from it. Similarly, the non-MST3K version of Space Mutiny didn't have a whole lot trimmed from it (mainly just a little character background stuff on the guy with the cane, who later gets "bravely" roasted by Big McLargehuge). There was a short, extremely funny scene where Duke Chunkroast and Grandma Daughter hide unconcealed next to a doorway as a dozen mooks run through... and take no notice of them despite them being obvious to anyone with functioning vision. That's the only bit I wish hadn't had to have been cut for time from the original episode. Space Mutiny and Manos are IMO the only films that Rifftrax has redone that are comparable to the original MST3K versions. The rest are just diminishing returns. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Sep 9, 2023 |
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It’s really a shame that Cameron Mitchell didn’t get to yell at anybody to close the fuckin doors on the Southern Sun.
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I get why MST3K generally avoids films over a certain degree of violence if it can't be edited around, but it's still a shame that because of that we'll never get to see them riff Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky, though I guess Rifftrax or one of the other offshoot series could always do it instead
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I'm the opposite; Manos as seen on MST3K has a hazy, fairly sleazy quality that makes it just a wee bit unnerving if you're watching it alone at like 4 AM, even with Joel and the Bots riffing on it (same with Zaat!/Blood Waters of Dr. Z). Tangentially related, I was pondering over Manos' positive qualities the other day and I think the murkiness of that print might be one. Though the thing I was thinking about originally is just the general premise of the Valley Lodge being a supernaturally concealed nowhere place. It's hardly original and it's set up so drat clunkily, but it's a trope I like. I guess the print quality adds to the pitch black darkness that sets in around the place too. I also like the looming presence of the Master by way of the painting and how the dad becomes his new Torgo at the end. Hell, Torgo himself is like halfway to being well realized. Shame about the rest of the technical qualities. And how it devolves into one of those embarrassing "Satan's harem" type movies. And the hand motif is neat but also doesn't really go anywhere... John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Sep 9, 2023 |
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You’d think it would be one of those movies that’s an excuse to have nudity, but maybe it was just Hal Warren’s bizarre vision, driven by compulsion onto the screen.
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Speaking of movies with cut scenes, Santa Claus had several involving Merlin that are just as bugfuck crazy as anything else you see in the movie. Clearly an example of cuts made purely for time, Rifftrax Live eventually did the full thing.
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They cut poo poo from almost every movie. They can't not. It's just mostly little bits and pieces nobody would miss. Even Space Mutiny had some things cut out of it that I was very pleased to see when I saw Rifftrax live do it at a Fathom Events deal.
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I used to enjoy it when there was nudity and Joel or Mike would do something to cover it up. Like they stand up and open an umbrella or something. I think it only happened a few times.
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Sight gags were more Joel's domain than Mike's, and I missed them when they were gone. Cinematic Titanic did a lot of that too.
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LividLiquid posted:Sight gags were more Joel's domain than Mike's, and I missed them when they were gone. Cinematic Titanic did a lot of that too. That’s also why they stopped doing Invention Exchanges early in Mike’s run since they were a holdover from Joel’s standup routine (though I think Seasons 11 and onward brought them back)
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Yep. I missed those too, but I liked that Mike got to be different. I preferred his seasons, though not to the degree that I joined in on the Great Joel/Make Flame Wars of the early internet. I don't really feel like Jonah has put his stamp on things yet. It kinda' feels like he's just another puppet operated by Joel sometimes. But there's still time.
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Finally got my rewards shipping notice.
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