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Yes. Nothing has changed in how we decide whether someone can keep posting on these forums.
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I admit I was shooting for the moon on the perma request, but I'm glad the admins saw the same priors that I did, lol
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Jul 3, 2023 00:18
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O poo poo. Dwarf has the death touch.
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Jul 3, 2023 00:27
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Xiahou Dun posted:O poo poo. Don't block him unless you have indestructible.
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Jul 3, 2023 00:29
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Leperflesh posted:e. no, there is no world in which the SA admins ban or permaban a poster for liking Kingdom Death: Monster. Since that's obviously what you're referring to. hahaha love it - you've gotta get up pretty early in the morning to slip anything past Leperflesh, MN!  (Also drat, dwarf clearly has some serious pull with Fluff - best not cross him!)
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Jul 3, 2023 01:10
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dwarf74 posted:I admit I was shooting for the moon on the perma request, but I'm glad the admins saw the same priors that I did, lol I endorsed for the same when I was talking to Leperflesh. Looks like the dude had a history of posting weird racist poo poo about black people in particular so I didn't see why it should be allowed to continue.
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Jul 3, 2023 04:23
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Leperflesh posted:e. no, there is no world in which the SA admins ban or permaban a poster for liking Kingdom Death: Monster. Since that's obviously what you're referring to. That is the incident I am referring to, but I am referring to your individual failure to punish the actual sexism more than the occasional tiny probe. I don't wish to relitigate poo poo because it is low profit but you'd made remarks that you were attempting to change things around these parts, and I was just checking to be certain that we had your support if sexism happened. (Fortunately, it still appears to be rare in the threads I read.) Regardless, it matters a bit less now because we have a few more members of the mod team such as: dwarf74 posted:I admit I was shooting for the moon on the perma request, but I'm glad the admins saw the same priors that I did, lol Thank you very much for giving it a shot. It's certainly better than the alternative of just kicking the can and imagining that poster will somehow get better. Though I do believe in the power of punishment to improve posting, it's not going to work for bigotry since it is inherently irrational. That is absolutely the attitude that our mod team should regard that type of unacceptable posting. I am grateful for the volunteer work of the mods and that we have your support. On that note, I'm also glad for the admins for taking action and to the TG posters who bought it to SAD. I think this is a success story for these feedback threads; from the outside, it could have been unclear why that was problematic unless you were pretty deep into the MTG poo poo, which meant it would cause maximum thread violence (since they would not miss what is meant) but also not necessarily be understood by an third party without context. Once understood, anyone volunteering to make this site better would not hesitate to act.
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Jul 3, 2023 09:16
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Dreadful shoot on Admiral Joeslop vs TheDiceMustRoll.
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Jul 6, 2023 20:27
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An admin just ran the queue, I think you probably saw only a sixer on joeslop and nothing on TDMR and thought that was unreasonable and it would have been, yes. I have been reminded that I can use placeholder sixers to better show that action is in progress so I will do that in the future.
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Jul 6, 2023 20:51
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You should be meaner to the user base here because look at their posting
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Jul 6, 2023 21:17
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Ominous Jazz posted:You should be meaner to the user base here because look at their posting Also I think we should buy the modmin team a real gun
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Jul 7, 2023 14:39
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Ominous Jazz posted:You should be meaner to the user base here because look at their posting gonna just ban everyone soon, just checkin with jeff
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Jul 7, 2023 15:00
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sebmojo posted:gonna just ban everyone soon, just checkin with jeff Harsh, but fair.
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Jul 9, 2023 03:12
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My feedback and suggestion is that maybe Toshimo didn't need his dick sucked about how good and right he is while giving him a tiny slap on the wrist for dancing on a man's grave
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Sep 10, 2023 17:43
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Tarnop posted:My feedback and suggestion is that maybe Toshimo didn't need his dick sucked about how good and right he is while giving him a tiny slap on the wrist for dancing on a man's grave Wait, how did Framboise hand out a 1 day probe? Aren't they an IK?
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Sep 10, 2023 18:13
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Magnetic North posted:Wait, how did Framboise hand out a 1 day probe? Aren't they an IK? IKs can queue whatever, they just have a lower threshold for what automatically goes through without approval
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Sep 10, 2023 18:15
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Yeah when I was an IK in the Friday Forum on Friday, I could have applied for a permaban but I'm pretty sure joke forum IKs don't get those approved. And I only wanted to sixer myself anyway.
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Sep 10, 2023 19:38
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Tarnop posted:My feedback and suggestion is that maybe Toshimo didn't need his dick sucked about how good and right he is while giving him a tiny slap on the wrist for dancing on a man's grave That post was deeply embarrassing and it says a lot about both the poster and the IK that they think it's a normal thing to say while acting like it's some leftist victory.
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Sep 10, 2023 19:44
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The IK Framboise talked to me first and I agreed with a 1-day probe, which also required admin approval. Jeffrey approved the probation with full view of our discussion on it. Toshimo's probation is for a combination of grotesquely cheering for the death of a random magic the gathering influencer as a response in a thread where people were openly mourning that person, and, for the hypocrisy of being the loudest voice for more and tougher moderation in that very thread against the people who make it a hostile place to post. A one-day probation is still pretty minor. A post that would likely have gotten a pass from someone else doesn't necessarily get that benefit of the doubt from a repeat offender, that's part of the context that goes into probation decisions. Particularly someone who has been vigorously demanding more probations. Framboise can speak for himself but my interpretation of the probation reason is that Framboise agrees with the principle that labor needs to fight capital, but, that this is a real lovely way to express that, both in terms of timing and expressed vitriol. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Sep 10, 2023 |
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Sep 10, 2023 21:40
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Those are a lot of words to describe bad moderation and no words about how you plan to address it
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Sep 10, 2023 21:50
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Those are words describing why I support this moderation action.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:51
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I've read your post again and it seems like maybe you think I was arguing for a lighter punishment. Can you clarify?
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Sep 10, 2023 22:08
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Tarnop posted:My feedback and suggestion is that maybe Toshimo didn't need his dick sucked about how good and right he is while giving him a tiny slap on the wrist for dancing on a man's grave Ibram Gaunt posted:That post was deeply embarrassing and it says a lot about both the poster and the IK that they think it's a normal thing to say while acting like it's some leftist victory. Take the boneheaded histrionics and stuff it, please. Both of you are making some pretty heavy faceplants on the balance beam of mental gymnastics here and I'm not going to humor either of you for it. A good chunk of PMs I get from LP about reports in the MTG thread are about Toshimo and I usually let them slide because it's because someone got their undies in a bunch because he said something in a hostile or harsh way. Thing is, if I acted every single time someone posts in the MTG thread said something in a hostile or harsh way, I'd be probing half the morons in the thread every couple of days because the thread is, by far, the most overdramatic and fussy thread I can tolerate frequenting, populated by people with the social skills of hungry feral cats. Much of the time, Leperflesh and I agree that the thread should generally deal with poo poo on its own and only step in when it crosses the line. Toshimo's post this time around is much the same-- what could have been a valid point that not many people would disagree with (myself included) took an unnecessary cruel celebratory turn while a bunch of other people were mourning Sheldon's death. My original thought was to give it a sixer like most others, but it had been generating complaints both here and on Discord-- and on top of that, I've already been kicking around the idea of advocating for stronger probes for people in the thread who already have a stack of sixers (in the same thread, no less) they clearly haven't learned from. So 24 it was, and it's really as simple as that. If mods and admins wanted to push for a ban, that's up to them. I've discussed with Leperflesh before that I don't actually understand why people are allowed to amass pages of probes when anywhere else, someone that annoying would be banned on second or third offense. Feels like you pretty much have to commit an actual crime to get banned for real here tbh. Both of you are reading way too far into this though and I really suggest taking a breather before posting again.
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Sep 10, 2023 22:22
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Framboise posted:Take the boneheaded histrionics and stuff it, please. Both of you are making some pretty heavy faceplants on the balance beam of mental gymnastics here and I'm not going to humor either of you for it. no you should do this instead: quote:Thing is, if I acted every single time someone posts in the MTG thread said something in a hostile or harsh way, I'd be probing half the morons in the thread every couple of days because the thread is, by far, the most overdramatic and fussy thread I can tolerate frequenting, populated by people with the social skills of hungry feral cats. it really loving sucks to pop into a thread about a game and have it be nothing but aggro posts and occasionally people posting the most unhinged poo poo they can.
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Sep 10, 2023 22:36
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Yeah, this isn't the industry bullshit thread where being enraged at the latest idiocy or horror is a normal reaction, show some respect for the dead.
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Sep 10, 2023 22:39
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Framboise posted:Take the boneheaded histrionics and stuff it, please. Both of you are making some pretty heavy faceplants on the balance beam of mental gymnastics here and I'm not going to humor either of you for it. I think people just don't like that your probe reason was "I agree with what you said, but not how you said it." to a really garbage post. Like, the post was awful even before you got to the final line.
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Sep 10, 2023 22:43
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Framboise posted:Take the boneheaded histrionics and stuff it, please. Both of you are making some pretty heavy faceplants on the balance beam of mental gymnastics here and I'm not going to humor either of you for it. Yep simply take a nap and bottle before coming at the IK with some bullshit take like they agree with the bad poster. Oh you don't disagree with the poster... hm
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Anyway I ask that the pinkerton defending racist guy who dances on the grave of someone bc they don't like their banlist shouldn't post in the MTG thread, and preferably the site, anymore.
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Sep 10, 2023 22:54
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There's no shortage of actual shitbags in this sector where gravedancing is appropriate, and this isn't one!
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Framboise posted:Thing is, if I acted every single time someone posts in the MTG thread said something in a hostile or harsh way, I'd be probing half the morons in the thread every couple of days because the thread is, by far, the most overdramatic and fussy thread I can tolerate frequenting, populated by people with the social skills of hungry feral cats. Good, maybe do this repeatedly until it stops instead of letting the thread be a cesspool of toxic poo poo that loads of people on the forums can't stand to read or post in because of how horrible it's been. Then repeat this for the rest of Tradgames, because this forum is hugely undermoderated and some of the most awful, hostile, lovely people are the loudest.
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Kild posted:Anyway I ask that the pinkerton defending racist guy who dances on the grave of someone bc they don't like their banlist shouldn't post in the MTG thread, and preferably the site, anymore. Toshimo is many things. Loud. Aggressive. Incapable of Not. Probably ranting right now. But a Pinkerton defending racist he is not. That's either a gross misunderstanding or a bad faith mischaracterization of a posting enemy.
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Fajita Queen posted:Good, maybe do this repeatedly until it stops instead of letting the thread be a cesspool of toxic poo poo that loads of people on the forums can't stand to read or post in because of how horrible it's been. Then repeat this for the rest of Tradgames, because this forum is hugely undermoderated and some of the most awful, hostile, lovely people are the loudest.
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Sep 10, 2023 23:35
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Leperflesh posted:The IK Framboise talked to me first and I agreed with a 1-day probe, which also required admin approval. Jeffrey approved the probation with full view of our discussion on it. Oh also 1 day bans don't require admin approval, any mod can hand them out, so are you lying or just bad at your job?
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Sep 10, 2023 23:39
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Fajita Queen posted:Oh also 1 day bans don't require admin approval, any mod can hand them out, so are you lying or just bad at your job? The admin approval was probably because the IK was doing it instead of the mod.
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Fajita Queen posted:Oh also 1 day bans don't require admin approval, any mod can hand them out, so are you lying or just bad at your job? Framboise is an IK, not a mod. IKs can do 6, maybe 12, without admin permission, but not one day.
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Yes but the IK talked to the mod first, so the mod could have just done the 1 day himself. Leperflesh is, however, notoriously probation-averse.
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Sep 10, 2023 23:43
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I think the idea is that Leaperflesh could have just given out a 1 days probe.
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Sep 10, 2023 23:44
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Kchama posted:I think people just don't like that your probe reason was "I agree with what you said, but not how you said it." to a really garbage post. Like, the post was awful even before you got to the final line.
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Framboise is the expert in the Magic thread on understanding the nuances and the situation. I don't know anything about the guy who died. Framboise asked to issue a longer probe and I said sure, and let him write the reason. Then I pinged admins to approve the probation. Yes, that meant it took a little longer to go through: so what? It's not like Toshimo was still in the thread doing something that had to be immediately stopped. Tarnop posted:I've read your post again and it seems like maybe you think I was arguing for a lighter punishment. Can you clarify? it sounds like you think Framboise agreed with dancing on the grave of a dead guy, and he didn't and I don't either. It also sounded like you thought that post should have gotten a longer probation: framboise suggested a 24 and I thought that was reasonable. These are judgement calls.
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Leperflesh posted:Framboise is the expert in the Magic thread on understanding the nuances and the situation. I don't know anything about the guy who died. Framboise asked to issue a longer probe and I said sure, and let him write the reason. Then I pinged admins to approve the probation. Yes, that meant it took a little longer to go through: so what? It's not like Toshimo was still in the thread doing something that had to be immediately stopped.
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