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Roller Coast Guard posted:Labeling a particular breed a "dangerous dog" just makes them more attractive to the kind of dog owner who treats their dog as a penis extension rather than a pet and family member. Now i'm imagining the govt adding chihuahuas to the dangerous bogs list and seeing all the "big lads" walking around with tiny dogs in spiked collars on chain leashes.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:That's the thing about political ideologies; there's the strictly defined ideology (what is a liberal*), and then there's the practical effects of how someone with that ideology will tend to behave.** And a lot of people are able to dodge the latter by clinging to the former. He hated covid restrictions because they applied to everyone, even floppy haired libertarian playboys cheating on their spouses. He hates the ECHR and the Human Rights Act because those, in theory, apply equally to everyone. Loves some immigration restrictions and identitarian culture wars though (despite also mocking the idea of self-defined identity) because those will affect a whole bunch of other people but he's at no personal risk of being forced to gender himself to use the toilet* or made stateless and deported to Jamaica for seeing a cannabis once in 1986. *under Just Another Lurker posted:the dangerous bogs list
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The problem with "oh he's harmless" is that it's very easy to convince yourself of that, just people seeing their own dog being cute and cuddly at home, or in this little bellend's case in the brief 5 minutes of sunbathing he's allowed before he has to come back in and lie on a cooling mat. It makes it easy to forget that dogs are predators with chase instincts. If they get surprised by something, their prey drive can kick in before any semblance of logic or training does, and as owner it's your responsibility to intervene before something happens. I refuse to believe that the dog's owner didn't see the cat. When I'm out with the boy I have to be his eyes and ears and look for signs of surprise dog (owner with a leash, rustling bushes) and pre-emptively give him the best chance of not acting on instinct. If I even see a cat in the distance, he's back on leash and on the opposite side of me before he's even realised it's there. The reason I'm like this is because for all I love him and know he tries his best, he absolutely does have those instincts and has gone for other dogs when they've suddenly appeared, so the only times he's off-leash is when I'm confident I have good lines of sight and plenty of distance. It would be lovely to let him off leash all the time since we live in a pedestrianised estate and don't have to worry about cars. And as other dog owners keep telling me, the only way to get him better at meeting other dogs is to let him try. But the country isn't dog racist towards their golden retriever, nor are the police primed to impound him (and as with everything else in the uk the backlog is so massive he'd likely either be destroyed to make space or be so traumatised by the experience he'd probably never recover). Also I'm not willing to use the safety of other dogs as a testing ground to see if he can behave when I know he hasn't in the past. I'm rambling but the point is control your loving dogs people. They may seem like cuddly little angels (and they absolutely are), but they are also animals with instincts they can't always help.
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^^ Introduce him to other dogs with a muzzle on. My dog is weird with cats, out in public she tries to play with them like they are a dog. If they turn up in the garden though she will chase them away, behaviour I'm fine with as we have Guinie pigs. I still lead her when I see a cat out and about though, a cat can easily blind a dog getting in its personal space. Jakabite posted:Can we please not become the US though, where people aren’t allowed to have their dogs off leash anywhere but a ‘dog park’ whatever that is I doubt that would happen. There are barely any public dog parks in the UK so no alternative for good exercise. The closes thing that exists is those fenced off areas you can rent for £10 an hour. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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It seems like a bad idea to keep dogs with a prey or herding instinct as pets. My partner has been moaning at me to get a husky, and sure they're cute but the also have an abundance of energy, get bored fast, and will maybe just maybe try and eat the cat. I dunno if a bull terrier is any more prone to snap than a bored out of its wits border collie. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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Jakabite posted:Can we please not become the US though, where people aren’t allowed to have their dogs off leash anywhere but a ‘dog park’ whatever that is Sure, if we have laws stopping idiots from owning predators instead. And then you know that the enforcement of that law is going to be racist as poo poo. Just have a hamster or something. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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We have largely moved past the need for dogs imo
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keep punching joe posted:It seems like a bad idea to keep dogs with a prey or herding instinct as pets. Which dogs don't have prey instincts? Genuine question. keep punching joe posted:My partner has been moaning at me to get a husky, and sure they're cute but the also have an abundance of energy, get bored fast, and will maybe just maybe try and eat the cat. There's a reason shelters overflow with huskies. Folks warned us when we got our husky/akita mix, but we'd had a husky before, knew what to expect, and as such have raised a Good Boy. He gets picked on by small dogs who presumably have something to prove, including that of my in-laws. He doesn't react - but we're conscious that the day may come where he decides he won't take it any more.  He has a hell of a prey drive when it comes to rabbits, though. If they're in the distance he wants to get to them, if they run close to him then you'd better brace yourself because he's going to use every fibre of his being to catch it. I always think I'm making inroads to calming him down around them, when they don't run away immediately I get him to sit down and be as calm as possible whilst watching them, but it goes straight out the window if one runs near him. 
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forkboy84 posted:Should just ban dogs tbh you wouldn't own a wolf Ban cats instead. What's the point in taking in an animal that more or less just does whatever it wants including making GBS threads in my garden where my kids might pick it up.
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Dabir posted:We have largely moved past the need for dogs imo  You just anti pet in general? forkboy84 posted:Sure, if we have laws stopping idiots from owning predators instead. And then you know that the enforcement of that law is going to be racist as poo poo. I'd be fine personally demonstrating my ability to be a good owner and my dog being a good girl. But the reality is this Government (or Starmers Labour) would never fund such a scheme.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Which dogs don't have prey instincts? Genuine question. I dunno, papillons or chihuahuas or something else that's small and weak.
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keep punching joe posted:It seems like a bad idea to keep dogs with a prey or herding instinct as pets. We took a wolf, turned its pack instincts into attachment issues, and dropped it into a world where if it chases food in the wrong direction it gets smeared across the tarmac by a couple of tons of metal we invented to get to work faster. They don't understand the truck, the job or the road. The absolute least we can do is try and guide them safely through. keep punching joe posted:I dunno if a bull terrier is any more prone to snap than a bored out of its wits border collie. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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keep punching joe posted:It seems like a bad idea to keep dogs with a prey or herding instinct as pets. forkboy84 posted:Just have a hamster or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysG96dUtGh4&t=11s
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Mega Comrade posted:
what is a pet if not a luxury item
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keep punching joe posted:I dunno, papillons or chihuahuas or something else that's small and weak. They're often more aggressive towards people because folks don't bother training it out of them though. People walking little dogs who are pulling so hard on their leads that they're walking only on their hind legs, snarling and snapping at people and other dogs who come past, but the owners don't bother doing anything about it just because they're able to physically hold them back. I've got scars from my dog, from when he was a puppy with food aggression which we've since trained out of him.
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https://twitter.com/BitebackPub/status/1700645507977150550 are most welcome invitee to the top dollar respected speaking gig circuit It's taken longer than I thought for her to be rehabilitated really
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Just Another Lurker posted:... dangerous bogs list ... Curse the sudden but inevitable betrayal of my subconscious.  
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Jakabite posted:oh no a Labrador came and sniffed me how will I survive Counterpoint: I don’t want dogs to come over and sniff me and owners should be in control of their dogs. I am allowed to not want my personal space invaded by a big slobbery thing
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:They're often more aggressive towards people because folks don't bother training it out of them though. People walking little dogs who are pulling so hard on their leads that they're walking only on their hind legs, snarling and snapping at people and other dogs who come past, but the owners don't bother doing anything about it just because they're able to physically hold them back. Sure, but in a combat scenario where you are attacked by an off the rails chihuahua vs a staffy, I personally feel confident I could absolutely destroy the chihuahua and take only minimal damage.
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Would you rather fight three chihuahua sized staffies, or one staffy sized chihuahua?Scientastic posted:Counterpoint: I don’t want dogs to come over and sniff me
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The problem with "oh he's harmless" is that it's very easy to convince yourself of that, just people seeing their own dog being cute and cuddly at home, or in this little bellend's case in the brief 5 minutes of sunbathing he's allowed before he has to come back in and lie on a cooling mat. Bobby Deluxe posted:why the hell not, if a dog blesses you with its attention you should be grateful for the purest love the universe can know It's because of that thing you yourself said about an hour ago, hope that helps. To be slightly less snarky, it's because I don't wanna be drooled on, jumped on, licked, etc by something when I'm not expecting or wanting it? Is that really particularly hard to understand?
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From the people who brought you sharknado, "staffy with a gun." Starring Jason fackin' Statham, probably.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Would you rather fight three chihuahua sized staffies, or one staffy sized chihuahua? Because I don't trust the person who owns the dog to have trained the dog enough so that a sniff doesn't turn into a bite. Like honestly, how many bad experiences with other peoples dogs do you have to have before you're allowed to be deeply distrustful of them?
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Nuclear Spoon posted:i think we should let dogs have guns Excited to learn about gun dogs; saddened by the reality about gun dogs.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:https://twitter.com/BitebackPub/status/1700645507977150550 Nuclear Spoon posted:i think we should let dogs have guns 
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Have we considered people being mauled by herds of cats? https://twitter.com/judeinlondon/status/1700951931542253630?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg
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Cats also carry a fuckton of nasty diseases, they're little shitheads. Even when they're affectionate it's in a weird "I own you, you stupid massive kitten" kind of way. Guavanaut posted:10 years to save the west from what? Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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I live a full and exciting life, and I don't think I have ever really been unexpectedly slobbered on by a dog, or otherwise. I mean babies yeah. But you kind of have to pick the thing up for that to happen. To be clear, I'm 50/50 on banning them too.
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Scientastic posted:Counterpoint: I don’t want dogs to come over and sniff me and owners should be in control of their dogs. I am allowed to not want my personal space invaded by a big slobbery thing I can personally remember being chased by a dog on my bicycle as a kid by the neighbors mean dog. Fucker was fast... Few years ago I got attacked by an random aggressive dog too, I was just lucky I was painting the house and the kids where indoors so I just climbed up the ladder... My son also got attacked by a dog when he was 3 and the bicycle and all tipped over. He is 10 today and still afraid of all dogs, even yappy little chihuahuas. Commonality, unleashed dogs.
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I get that but it’s just not that big a deal really is it. The vast majority of the people in the UK are dog people and I’m glad we haven’t kowtowed to the minority who aren’t by making people leash dogs at all times. A dog occasionally coming to check you out is part of public life here. I just worry every time there’s a moral panic that we’ll go the way of the US. I’d hate that for the dogs, owners, and me, who loves it when a dog comes and says hello E: this wasn’t in reply to you HDS, hadn’t seen your post. That’s a hell of a run of bad luck.
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smellmycheese posted:Have we considered people being mauled by herds of cats?
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Roller Coast Guard posted:Labeling a particular breed a "dangerous dog" just makes them more attractive to the kind of dog owner who treats their dog as a penis extension rather than a pet and family member. This is a part of it, they are bought by people who want a dangerous dog. But there is another important part that is often forgotten and has me rolling my eyes at all the poo poo people say about "little dogs being more likely to bite" or pointing to historic moral panics about dogs: When worst comes to worst, If a little dog, or a German Shepard, or a Doberman bites someone, they can be pulled away, or fought against, or even recalled by their owner. It is rarely going to be a big deal. Maybe a few stitches at most. If a pitbull does that to you, you will lose a limb, or you will die, and the same for anyone trying to help you. They can chew off a bodybuilders arm at the bicep. Physically, their jaws lock on, and they have incredibly overstrength jaws, which they needed for the bloodsport known as "bull baiting", which was their purpose*. Psychologically, they will not stop, they will only become more determined the more you try to stop them. They don't even really feel pain like other dogs do. *There are genuinely people who believe they were bred for nannying children. Nannying them right into the grave perhaps. Insane propaganda.
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Yeah if your dog does have any agression issues, keep it leashed for gently caress's sake. My lad has never shown any agression towards people but I try to discourage him from going over because if anything he's too enthusiastic. So I guess I do understand it if the dog is not clearly and obviously being friendly. Which was supposed to be kind of the point of the "oh but he's harmless" post earlier, but it sort of got away from me. I know he's just playing, or he's just trying to lick your face, or just barking at the delivery person, but people who don't know that don't know any of that. Example - sister in law thought it'd be funny to teach him to growl when she was playing with him, so now when he gets overexcited during play he growls. Which other dogs don't like. And other dog owners are rightly terrified of because of the breed's reputation. So even if I know he doesn't mean it that way, it doesn't matter because I have to be in control of a dog other people percieve as a problem. And like when I have to deal with a pack of little shits nipping at his ankles - he doesn't know they don't mean it (and to be absolutely honest I'm never convinced they don't mean it).
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Jakabite posted:I get that but it’s just not that big a deal really is it. The vast majority of the people in the UK are dog people and I’m glad we haven’t kowtowed to the minority who aren’t by making people leash dogs at all times. A dog occasionally coming to check you out is part of public life here. ah yes, the minority of people who have issues with dogs because of past incidents should just go gently caress themselves
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Brendan Rodgers posted:They can chew off a bodybuilders arm at the bicep. Physically, their jaws lock on, and they have incredibly overstrength jaws, which they needed for the bloodsport known as "bull baiting", which was their purpose*. Psychologically, they will not stop, they will only become more determined the more you try to stop them. They don't even really feel pain like other dogs do. Mastiffs have a massively higher bite force than pitbulls, over 550 psi against 240-330, were bred for baiting lions, and also instinctively lock, but we haven't had a mastiff dog panic since the 70s.
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Guavanaut posted:10 years to save the west from what? From whatever the West is threatened by of course. You can probably BYOB (last B for bigotry)
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