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HaitianDivorce posted:It's insane whenever I think about it, but we will never get another Star Wars again--not in the narrow "Disney bad/Lucas good" sense, but in the "no studio studio is ever going to give anyone that much of a budget to do something so weird and unheard of." Everything is going to be algorithmically-generated copies of copies until the sea swallows LA Avatar 2 came out this year . Like three more are coming !!
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The ad campaign for phantom menace was something else though. I think that buildup had a lot to do with people's disappointments, one way or the other. I can't blame them, the Pepsi drinking buffoon was nowhere to be seen in the end product. A kid I knew had all the Pepsi cans. He had them all!
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Sep 10, 2023 21:12
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FunkyAl posted:The ad campaign for phantom menace was something else though. I think that buildup had a lot to do with people's disappointments, one way or the other. I can't blame them, the Pepsi drinking buffoon was nowhere to be seen in the end product. My family did the same thing with the Doritos Star Wars Special Edition "hologram" discs. We still have them, not so much for the collection or the value but for the memories of running into random gas stations and buying a "Big Grab" Doritos bag to see what we got. Good times, would do it again. But not for the poo gas Disney Star Wars movies.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:22
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FunkyAl posted:The ad campaign for phantom menace was something else though. I think that buildup had a lot to do with people's disappointments, one way or the other. I can't blame them, the Pepsi drinking buffoon was nowhere to be seen in the end product. Yeah to be fair to TPM no movie couldn’t be “disappointing” with that ad campaign. No movie before or since has ever or will ever again get that kind of build up. Or the hype itself be culturally universal since Y2K was basically the last time American culture wasn’t overly splintered. That movie was going to cure cancer, make your parents respect you, and remove your religious doubts. The film could have injected every drug known to man directly into your brain and still not lived up to the expectation.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:27
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FunkyAl posted:The ad campaign for phantom menace was something else though. I think that buildup had a lot to do with people's disappointments, one way or the other. I can't blame them, the Pepsi drinking buffoon was nowhere to be seen in the end product. I recorded The Phantom Menace trailer when they advertised it was going to air during some news segment, and I ended up breaking my family VCR from rewinding and rewatching the Obi-Wan and Darth Maul duel part of the trailer over and over lmao.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:32
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FunkyAl posted:The ad campaign for phantom menace was something else though. I think that buildup had a lot to do with people's disappointments, one way or the other. I can't blame them, the Pepsi drinking buffoon was nowhere to be seen in the end product. They're just saving him. Marfalump canonically lives on Earth, so he can finally appear now that Ahsoka is going to visit a galaxy far, far away...
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Sep 10, 2023 21:42
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Episode I would have had to be a massive turd to not make an enormous pile of money, so that's not indicative of much. IIRC the general opinion of Ep III was indeed 'its finally Star Wars again'. But by that point box office was way down anyway.
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Sep 10, 2023 21:43
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teagone posted:I recorded The Phantom Menace trailer when they advertised it was going to air during some news segment, and I ended up breaking my family VCR from rewinding and rewatching the Obi-Wan and Darth Maul duel part of the trailer over and over lmao. I taped the revenge of the sith preview. It came on after the oc. The revenge of the sith was pretty hyped up too, I remember Darth Vader and general grievous everywhere. Darth Vader balloons on Burger King, evil Darth Vader m&Ms...Yoda stealing diet Pepsi...
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Sep 10, 2023 23:48
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s not very complicated; the plot doesn’t make sense if the order is placed by a fake made-up Jedi, because everyone would immediately know that something is amiss. I don't think you need to invent a space-CIA to be behind the plot. The Jedi are already the space-CIA; it's perfectly reasonable for one of them to be running his own op.
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Sep 11, 2023 00:08
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Stealing the identity of a real and conveniently dead Jedi in order to execute the purchase of the army means that there are a lot of ways Sheev can play it if some other Jedi, like, say, Obi-Wan Kenobi, starts pulling at the threads of the conspiracy.
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Sep 11, 2023 00:16
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PeterWeller posted:I don't think you need to invent a space-CIA to be behind the plot. The Jedi are already the space-CIA; it's perfectly reasonable for one of them to be running his own op. Approve Sifo-Dyas’s clone purchase, we did not. Deny all knowledge of it, we do. That it benefits Republic corporate interests, a coincidence is. Greater oversight and accountability over Jedi business, we veto.
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Sep 11, 2023 00:18
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HaitianDivorce posted:Right. Call me when someone's broken the mold again, not just gotten the chance to put their own spin on the mold that's been in use for 45+ years. I mean, everything is kind of a riff on something else. Star Wars was a riff on other stuff when it came out, too.
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Sep 11, 2023 02:12
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I don’t hate the prequels but I don’t like them. Much prefer TFA and TLJ. Rots is fun tho
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Sep 11, 2023 02:29
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The phantom menace commercials should have been Lucas saying “I am not going to make the same movies again “ for 30 seconds
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Sep 11, 2023 03:00
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That’s fine honestly I loved them as a kid but they just don’t work for me. Has nothing to do with how close they are to whatever. I just don’t vibe with the style he’s throwing down. But I’m way over being mad or any negative emotion with them. I just don’t watch them
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Sep 11, 2023 03:10
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Yeah Tpm is mysteriously slow. It just plods. Rots is pretty modern in speed I think
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Rots I enjoy because straight up palpatine is my favorite character in all of Star Wars. And I think the score is the absolute best in the whole franchise. But that could be nostalgia. The prequels are very nostalgic for me
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euphronius posted:Yeah Tpm is mysteriously slow. It just plods. Rots is pretty modern in speed I think Lucas talked about pacing in one of the director commentaries, and said that the pacing of A New Hope is actually pretty slow as well, but because it was such a new universe, people were using the downtime to look at all the details and trying to absorb the new world they were being presented with, and critics complained that the movie moved too quickly. The Phantom Menace probably actually moves at about the same speed as the original movie, but because the audience is already familiar with the world being presented, it feels slower. Revenge of the Sith is definitely quicker though. That's the result of Lucas not really planning the trilogy out from the start and suddenly finding himself having to have everything happen in one movie. The stuff aboard the Separatist cruiser was about an hour long in early cuts, because when Lucas was writing the script he just kept making the first act longer, in order to delay having to actually deal with all the plot stuff he was having trouble with.
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My favorite scene in the prequel trilogy is easily the podrace - it’s a master class in sound design with every pod sounding different, the designs of the pods are all unique and interesting to look at, it’s got a bunch of gnarly crashes, the way it conveys a sense of speed is incredible, I just love it. It also spawned the Episode 1 Racer videogame, which is fun as hell.
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I feel like RotS being very fast moving kinda helps it, it's the climax of a long and brutal war where so much poo poo is finally coming to a head. Also I can picture Sidious specifically picking a Jedi whose name sounds like his Darth name just because it makes him chuckle. Bongo Bill posted:Stealing the identity of a real and conveniently dead Jedi in order to execute the purchase of the army means that there are a lot of ways Sheev can play it if some other Jedi, like, say, Obi-Wan Kenobi, starts pulling at the threads of the conspiracy. There is apparently a bit in the Clone Wars where they've pretty much figured out nearly all of what went down, and realise that at that point it there's nothing that knowledge can meaningfully change.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There is apparently a bit in the Clone Wars where they've pretty much figured out nearly all of what went down, and realise that at that point it there's nothing that knowledge can meaningfully change. Season 6 (which was at one point the end of the show and the last thing set before RotS) is all foreshadowing and dramatic irony. Order 66 comes within a whisker of being revealed, Palpatine's plans to take control of Separatist assets beings, the Jedi learn that the Sith were involved with the creation of the Clones (though lots of questions remain) and the existence of Dooku's master is revealed. Also Jar Jar and Mace kill Maul's mother. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Sep 11, 2023 |
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I guess I am one of the few people who like ROTS the least of the prequels. I was a hardcore fanboy when it came out and I was incredibly stoked going to see it in a cinema for the first time, but I felt there was something off about it from the beginning. The entire sequence on the Grievous ship is oddly cartoony. The droids speak with different voices and there's a huge ammount of slapstick and fake looking CGI. This sequence is probably my least favorite in the prequels. The movie gets better afterwards but I always felt there was something missing. Anakin's turn feels rushed - mainly the point when he bends the knee to Sheev and immediatelly goes to kill children - and Yoda's and Obi-Wan's absence from Coruscant is forced. There's nothing interesting about their CGI adventures on Kashyyk and Utapau (with the exception of Obi-Wan being an arrogant shithead), the plot just requires their absence from Coruscant. I've always liked TPM and grew to appreciate AOTC, but ROTS still doesn't work for me.
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Rots is insane in it’s tonal changes. I caught that as a kid too. I get why but it’s pretty nuts. Grevious and his fight is pretty awful. It would be like if darth mail immediately got his saber cut in half. Just clip the gimmick way too quick
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Captain Jesus posted:Anakin's turn feels rushed - mainly the point when he bends the knee to Sheev and immediatelly goes to kill children This is kind of a strange event in that it both is and isn’t rushed. In RotS by itself it definitely feels rushed, as Anakin starts the movie being portrayed in a heroic light, if tempted and tormented and full of regret, to boom child murder. But in the trilogy as a whole this isn’t true at all, Anakin is no stranger to child murder. He graduated top of his class at Tusken State University.
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Turn out that, more than the men and the women, it was the children part he enjoyed the most.
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galagazombie posted:This is kind of a strange event in that it both is and isn’t rushed. In RotS by itself it definitely feels rushed, as Anakin starts the movie being portrayed in a heroic light, if tempted and tormented and full of regret, to boom child murder. But in the trilogy as a whole this isn’t true at all, Anakin is no stranger to child murder. He graduated top of his class at Tusken State University. Alright, that's a fair point. The films don't really work with the Tusken mass murder much, so I also tend to forget about it.
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The podrace is way too long.
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feedmyleg posted:The podrace is way too long. 
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feedmyleg posted:The podrace is way too long. The podrace would be infinitely better if it were 45 minutes long, at a minimum. 
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Sep 11, 2023 13:27
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Isn't the podrace longer in the home release than in the original theatrical version?
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The versions released after the VHS added in some scenes that were cut from the theatrical version, yes.
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feedmyleg posted:The podrace is way too long. As a kid i would always skip tattooine. Just draaaaaggggeeedd. Get back to darth maul
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But Tatooine has like 2/3rds of all the Maul action!
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It’s at the tail end, so I usually caught it lmao. Then fast forward until the final battle(s)
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Tattooine is where all the good stuff is. The Naboo stuff drags.
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Oh yeah??? Well for every time one of you assholes doesn’t watch the podrace, I’m going to watch it *twice*. < >
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galagazombie posted:It was Gen X specifically that hated TPM on release and were its most vitriolic opponents. Over time they were the ones who controlled the conversation and “popular consensus” since at that point in time they were the most online demographic and thus ran all the web forums and such. You can definitely see the turnaround on prequel opinions being more about younger groups getting online and pushing GenX out than some great cultural epiphany. Ehhh. Gen X generally liked TPM on release. The reaction was basically "there were a lot of issues but it ended with the best lightsaber fight ever." It was the older Mills that turned on it online really hard after the fact, and that was gradual. AOTC not course correcting for criticisms and actually being worse, combined with the LOTR movies being a direct counter point on doing a fantasy movie simultaneously was the larger issue.
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The lesson is: when doing a sequel, always listen to the fans' complaints.
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YaketySass posted:The lesson is: when doing a sequel, always listen to the fans' complaints. Listen to them too much and you get the ST, though
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