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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:None, just more embarassing. Seems bizarre that this can be done without a vote
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:To me, the saddest part of all of this dumb poo poo is that all of it is so goddamn obviously true yet we can't all agree on it. Paxton and Trump are actually getting prosecuted. Being old isn't really illegal. Feinstein only had half of the Democratic party openly on her side last election and people had been trying to get her to resign since 2013. She and McConnell both recently won elections where everybody was aware of their age. McConnell's term doesn't expire until 2027 and Feinstein is stepping down after 2024, but riding out the rest of her term. There's not much to do about them if they don't want to willingly leave or have 2/3 of the Senate expel them.
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Randalor posted:I mean, even if the votes.go through... okay, congrats, we know that means nothing because Trump was impeached twice and nothing mattered. Congrats, McCarthy, you proved you had more seats in the house. Do you want a gold star? The whole point is to keep Hunter Biden in the news during campaign season.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Seems bizarre that this can be done without a vote The House can only impeach and investigate. The Senate has to convict or acquit. The House needs to vote to actually impeach him and send it to the Senate, but doesn't need to vote to open an impeachment inquiry and begin the impeachment process. The House is going to have to vote eventually. They are just betting that the whole process will tar Biden as corrupt/maybe they will actually find something that other investigations didn't find for the next election. They could technically end the inquiry without having a vote on impeachment, but there is no world in which House Republicans open an impeachment inquiry and say, "Whoops, looks like he was innocent. Sorry, we'll shut this down."
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Zwabu posted:The whole point is to keep Hunter Biden in the news during campaign season. He would be in the news no matter what because he's Joe's "but her emails". No matter what they would keep brining up Hunter.
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Sep 12, 2023 16:42
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Was there ever any polling about if impeachment had any effect on Trump either positively or negatively? McCarthy seemed reticent to do this before which makes me assume he thought it’d be a losing play but I assume his job was threatened if he didn’t so here we are.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Poverty rate doubled and median income dropped in 2022 with the rollback of pandemic programs. Gonna be seeing this one in some campaign ads https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1701599864667443537
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McCarthy just made it official and announced it a day early. James Comer, Jim Jordan, and Jason Smith will lead the impeachment inquiry. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1701619952355013029 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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PostNouveau posted:Gonna be seeing this one in some campaign ads
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PostNouveau posted:Gonna be seeing this one in some campaign ads By who? I don't see the GOP running on expanding the CTC
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PostNouveau posted:Gonna be seeing this one in some campaign ads Is the DSA going to be running pro-Trump ads?
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Expanding childhood poverty is one area where both parties agree
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zoux posted:By who? I don't see the GOP running on expanding the CTC I don't think they'll get into the weeds like that. "Child poverty doubled under Biden the end" It's the same as like inflation or gas prices. Politicians just point at it, they don't really offer a lot of solutions, just "the other guy did bad on this". PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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zoux posted:By who? I don't see the GOP running on expanding the CTC There actually are a very small amount who are running on some version of it. Two house members: John James and Mike Lawler One Senator: Mitt Romney The House plan wants to raise it to half of the expansion under Biden's stimulus act and make it partially non-refundable. Romney's plan wants to increase it to slightly higher than it was under Biden's stimulus act, but keep it non-refundable and add income requirements and phase-outs. So, both would be slightly more generous than current law, but about 40-60% less than the expansion under Biden (and people with no income or very little income could possibly lose the benefit under Romney's plan). Dubar posted:Expanding childhood poverty is one area where both parties agree In this example, the policy expiring is part of a bill that every Democratic Senator voted for (including Manchin originally) and every Republican voted against. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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It's just... a baneality of evil moment. Yep, just do something that clearly doubbled the child poverty rate, and that rate is going to go higher than just doubble but that's just Fine, apparently.
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Twincityhacker posted:It's just... a baneality of evil moment. Yep, just do something that clearly doubbled the child poverty rate, and that rate is going to go higher than just doubble but that's just Fine, apparently. Like now you know the exact dollar figure it would cost to lift millions of children out of poverty, and its not particularly expensive and... 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:So, both would be slightly more generous than current law, but about 40-60% less than the expansion under Biden (and people with no income or very little income could possible lose the benefit under Romney's plan). Ah, yes, the ol' "the cruelty is the point" curve.
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DynamicSloth posted:Like now you know the exact dollar figure it would cost to lift millions of children out of poverty, and its not particularly expensive and... The fear of the early pandemic scared the government into showing it can actually do things and fix problems and by God they want to close the box on that.
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DynamicSloth posted:Like now you know the exact dollar figure it would cost to lift millions of children out of poverty, and its not particularly expensive and... To be fair, it is somewhat expensive. It would (the Biden version at least) cost a little less than $200 billion per year, which would be a ~12% increase in the country's discretionary spending just for that one program. Obviously, it should have been continued. But, it wasn't especially cheap. They should have just made it permanent (and part of mandatory spending) and raised the money by reverting the Trump tax cuts for the top bracket and capital gains changes. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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https://www.threads.net/@keithedwards/post/CxGYUNyRq29/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== Gaetz still on the house floor saying this isn't enough for him.
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I asked the other day how Fetterman's recovery was progressing https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1701640420663648583
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Vogue commissioned a poll of young people (registered voters under 35) to gauge social and political beliefs. Most of it is just confirmation of pretty obvious things, but there's some very interesting results about politics and how it impacts their personal lives. Highlights: Women and trans people (of any gender) are much more left-leaning than young men. - 64% of women self-identify as "progressive" or "liberal," but only 39% of men do. - 41% of women selected the most left-leaning categorization for themselves (progressive), but only 24% of men did. - For transpeople, it was 86% total left-leaning and 75% selecting the most left-leaning option.  79% say they plan to vote in 2024 - This is higher than 2022, but the "plan to vote" responses in polls are always significantly higher than people who actually vote (among all age groups, but especially younger people). The most positive and negative traits in potential partners vary wildly by gender - Both genders consider "actively reads" the most popular positive trait that a potential partner could have. - Young men prefer a partner who doesn't care about politics significantly more than women (who are divided 50/50). - Young men also vastly prefer a partner who is not supportive of "Black Lives Matter" (only 38% say positive) compared to women (60% say would be a positive). - One weird point of major divergence: Almost half of men say a partner who "prefers cow milk over non-dairy milk" is a desirable trait, whereas women have no strong opinions about a partner's milk preferences. - The biggest red flags in a relationship for each gender: Women: Partner self-identifies as "MAGA Republican" Men: Partner self-identifies as a Communist. - Another odd point of divergence: Men are more than twice as likely, with nearly half (41%) saying so, to consider "believing in astrology" as a red flag compared to women (20%).   Economic Perceptions - People under 35 are generally pessimistic about being able to hit major economic milestones. However, there is a large divide based on education. Young people with only a high-school diploma were MUCH more likely to report not being confident about achieving economic milestones. People with advanced degrees were more than 2x as likely to be confident about hitting major economic milestones or consider their personal financial situation as "excellent" or "good" compared to those with only a high school diploma. A majority of people under 35 do not have a college degree. - Only 34% are very confident that they will eventually own a home. - 66% are not confident that they will be able to retire comfortably when they are 65. - 57% say they are not confident that they will be able to earn enough income to not live paycheck to paycheck. - However, a majority are very confident they will be able to hit the following milestones: 1) Receive the level of education they want. 2) Afford to live in a neighborhood where they feel safe. 3) Afford a reliable car. 4) Afford nice clothes. 5) Be able to buy whatever they want at the grocery store without worrying about it. Other than pay, the most important things about a job to people under 35 is: 1) Work-life balance 2) Benefits 3) Hours  Student Debt Relief About 1/3 of people under 35 have some student debt. A majority of that 1/3 with student debt report concerns about the economic impact that student loans will have on them.  Voters under 35 payed close attention to the student debt relief case at the Supreme Court. When asked who is to blame for the lack of student debt relief, they responded: (Respondents were allowed to pick multiple answers) quote:The Supreme Court: 70% Pop Culture and News The news and issues that people under 35 payed the most attention to recently: - The Barbie movie - Taylor Swift’s Eras tour - The Russian invasion of Ukraine - Trump's criminal indictments - The Maui wildfires About half of men (42%) think "cancelling" is a widespread phenomenon and a serious problem. Only 19% of women agree. https://twitter.com/ChangePolls/status/1701590434710253965 quote:Young Women Voters Are More Liberal Than Young Men, Change Research Poll Finds Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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I wonder what the breakdown for transgender people in this poll would look like between transgender women, men, and nonbinary people
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A lot of those numbers should result in alarms going off, especially the ones about economic security and ability to live without going broke. Or at least, they should, if our economy and policies weren't designed around causing those very things. Urgh.
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People are confusing the child tax credit with the CARES Act. It happened in March 2021, Trump had nothing to do with it. Also despite reducing child poverty, it didn't seem like voters cared much about it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- One weird point of major divergence: Almost half of men say a partner who "prefers cow milk over non-dairy milk" is a desirable trait, whereas women have no strong opinions about a partner's milk preferences. Neither of those are odd, just depressing as to how much of the toxic online culture among young men permeates their views. Both "soy milk drinker" and "lol girls believe in astrology" are common misogynistic tropes.
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Youremother posted:I wonder what the breakdown for transgender people in this poll would look like between transgender women, men, and nonbinary people You'd probably have to do a poll of just trans/non-binary people to get a good representative sample. Only a small portion of the population is trans or non-binary and this poll was weighted around that, so breaking down the results of that already small group even further would give you margins of error in the 25-30% range, which makes it effectively useless for getting clear info on those subgroups.
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Jaxyon posted:Neither of those are odd, just depressing as to how much of the toxic online culture among young men permeates their views. The milk thing definitely make sense, but is preferring to have a partner that doesn't believe in astrology inherently misogynistic? Or is it widely known enough as a sign of misogynism that nearly half of men under 35 would select it to signify a misogynistic belief? I would consider it a negative, but I'd also consider anything that indicates my partner isn't living in reality (prepper, QAnon, moon landing conspiracy theorist, flat earther, astrology, anti-vax, reiki practitioner, etc.) to be negative traits without considering all of those things inherently feminine/opposition to them misogynistic.
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Jaxyon posted:Neither of those are odd, just depressing as to how much of the toxic online culture among young men permeates their views. Yeah quite a large amount of this polling just breaks down to "white men are chuds, everyone else much less so". It's not like anyone really chooses their opinions individually from a menu of options, these idiots just went through the chud event horizon and now they subscribe to every clown ingroup talking point they've ever had bellowed at them by the reddest men on TV. The polling overall looks quite good and is informative on the economics, however Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The milk thing definitely make sense, but is preferring to have a partner that doesn't believe in astrology inherently misogynistic? Or is it widely known enough as a sign of misogynism that nearly half of men under 35 would select it to signify a misogynistic belief? No, and yes, respectively
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There’s also the fact that 37% of women believe in some form of astrology while only 20% of men do, so you’d expect at least that 17% difference between those numbers to give you a 17% difference in who cares.
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Jaxyon posted:Neither of those are odd, just depressing as to how much of the toxic online culture among young men permeates their views. "Is believing in astrology a red flag" isn't the same question as "are women dumb because they believe in astrology" though. It also doesn't distinguish between thinking astrology is causal (major red flag) and thinking it's entertaining.
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I think anyone of any gender that believes in astrology is dumb.
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zoux posted:I think anyone of any gender that believes in astrology is dumb. It's funny because you're right but the fact that you care enough to post about it at all makes you a potential fedora man
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Im surprised by the milk stat tbh. I thought thr soyboy thing is because soy milk is effeminate. Therefore if youre looking for a attractive woman, wouldnt soy milk make them more attractive
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's funny because you're right but the fact that you care enough to post about it at all makes you a potential fedora man Pretty much. It's constantly mentioned by The Worst Dudes as being so terrible. OctaMurk posted:Im surprised by the milk stat tbh. I thought thr soyboy thing is because soy milk is effeminate. Therefore if youre looking for a attractive woman, wouldnt soy milk make them more attractive NO. We like our women like our men. Please do not think any harder about that or we may have to confront some things about ourselves.
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I didn't want to make that post a novel, so I didn't include every poll answer. But, here's some other questions and responses I found interesting:quote:How favorable are your feelings about each of the following? Barack Obama is the most popular national politician - and only one with a positive net approval rating - among the under 35 crowd (+12 net favorable). Essentially nobody under 35 has heard of Cornel West or Hakeem Jeffries. About 4 in 10 have no idea who Kevin McCarthy is either. Joe Biden's job approval is negative (-12 net approval), but people like the job he is doing way more than they like him as a person (-32 net approval). This is a significant flip from before where people liked him personally a lot more than they liked the job he was doing. This flip has happened among the general population too. They asked an open ended question: "How would you describe the difference between Gen Z and Millennials?" and these were some of the answers: quote:9/11
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For chuds it is the same thing though. Astrology is an indicator that women aren't "rational" or whatever the gently caress. Also lol at "we hate communism and corporations, equally"
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