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HonorableTB posted:In another blow against endemic corruption, Zelenskyy has signed a decree mandating a mass review of military medical commissions' decisions regarding men unfit for military service. Those found to have acquired an exemption via corruption and other illegal means shall have that exemption revoked and the draft-age men in question punished. This is kind of complicated ethically for me. Yes, getting out thanks to corruption is pretty iffy - but being forced to kill people isn't really something people should be forced into. I refused to join the military because I don't want to even learn how to kill another human, though I'd be more than happy to drive supply trucks or work an office job with logistics or something. There aren't any clean cut answers, and it's no good ethical conclusion as far as I can see
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  edit: zone posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702185843673252188 yup https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702217513050779876 it seems it was near this site https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702217518138413464 Dwesa fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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Sep 14, 2023 08:58
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Got some lukewarm takes on this page
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Sep 14, 2023 09:06
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Anders posted:This is kind of complicated ethically for me. Yes, getting out thanks to corruption is pretty iffy - but being forced to kill people isn't really something people should be forced into. I refused to join the military because I don't want to even learn how to kill another human, though I'd be more than happy to drive supply trucks or work an office job with logistics or something. There aren't any clean cut answers, and it's no good ethical conclusion as far as I can see It's not as straightforward as other ethical questions, sure, though I think ultimately it does land on "preferable to the alternatives". It's also possible that this conscription allows for being diverted into non-combat roles (afaik anyway, I haven't looked into it). The above aside, I bet it would be dropped immediately if Russia returned to their 2013 borders, so probably they should do that
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Sep 14, 2023 09:17
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Dwesa posted:
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Sep 14, 2023 09:29
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tiaz posted:It's not as straightforward as other ethical questions, sure, though I think ultimately it does land on "preferable to the alternatives". It's also possible that this conscription allows for being diverted into non-combat roles (afaik anyway, I haven't looked into it). OTOH - corruption in Ukraine is epidemic - not as bad as in Russia - but it has been one of the most corrupt nations in Europe since the fall of the USSR - and that corruption needs to be dealt with too for the sake of the post-war society, and the very unethical practice of rich people getting out of service while the working class gets sent to the front lines, so for the "greater good" I think the least bad solution is to forcibly revoke the exemptions (but allow people to opt-out of combat roles)
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Sep 14, 2023 09:34
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702185843673252188 Guardian reporting that they blinded it by hitting the radar/antenna with drones, then hit the launchers with two modified Neptune's. Awesome.
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Sep 14, 2023 10:39
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the popes toes posted:Is that correct? I thought the "national welfare" fund, or what people otherwise called Putin's "war chest" was sufficiently large and still sufficient? Now, you can certainly argue that civil projects of repair, improvement, creation etc., will suffer and have been suffering. And it's those sorts of investment that maintain an economy. But has this lack of infrastructure spending also affected pensions yet? the west paid out a pension russia used a pencil
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Sep 14, 2023 11:25
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What air defense doing BLYAT *drinks a bottle of perfume*
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Sep 14, 2023 11:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk6q_l-W5Y LMAO, when you hit rock bottom. Sorry, sorry! *clears throat and in best tankie voice* Everything is going to plan and western weapons aren't anything better than what Russia has.
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Sep 14, 2023 11:47
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Tai posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCk6q_l-W5Y Talking about a menu then showing 20 seconds of two blokes washing a chair is definitely the sort of news that us decadent and corrupt Westerners are missing out on.
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Sep 14, 2023 12:14
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*has to ally with literally the single shittiest country on the planet out of desperation* everything is going really well
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Sep 14, 2023 12:18
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Roblo posted:Guardian reporting that they blinded it by hitting the radar/antenna with drones, then hit the launchers with two modified Neptune's. Awesome. Thats apparently 1.2 billion in air defense that's now scrap.
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Sep 14, 2023 12:19
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RIP S-400 died of cringe
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Sep 14, 2023 12:19
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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:Talking about a menu then showing 20 seconds of two blokes washing a chair is definitely the sort of news that us decadent and corrupt Westerners are missing out on. gently caress me wherever will I get lingonberry https://twitter.com/jsam10983741/status/1620593345285455873?s=20
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Sep 14, 2023 12:37
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Is the punishment for corruption in the Ukrainian military/production/procurement increasing? I'd think someone stealing vital war supplies during a war for survival would be shot for treason as soon as the trial is over in most countries.
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Sep 14, 2023 12:44
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:20% of the subs in the Black Sea fleet destroyed? drat, always preferred them to dubs
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Sep 14, 2023 12:49
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HonorableTB posted:Younger brother came to visit older brother. He will grow up to hate Russia and Russians, and you can't blame him for it. Putin is a tremendous piece of poo poo. Ok 
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Sep 14, 2023 12:53
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In most countries corruption is a rich person crime which means the punishment is spending 5 years getting rubbished in the press and then acquitted because your handler-oligarch's lawyer is more expensive than the civil service bum prosecuting you (who is hoping to go join the oligarch's firm in a few years anyway)
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Sep 14, 2023 12:58
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a cyborg mug posted:*has to ally with literally the single shittiest country on the planet out of desperation*
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Sep 14, 2023 13:09
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Looking forward to all the new avatars 
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Sep 14, 2023 13:09
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Sashimi posted:How many days before Putin signs a trade deal with Eritrea? Why rush when Myanmar is still on the table?
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Sep 14, 2023 13:16
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Landlord spotted! Filthy shitlib nazi centrist westerner.
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Sep 14, 2023 13:18
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a cyborg mug posted:*has to ally with literally the single shittiest country on the planet out of desperation* Not really sure which country you're talking about here.
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Sep 14, 2023 13:52
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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1702187162542694897?s=20quote:
  
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Sep 14, 2023 13:52
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Alan Smithee posted:gently caress me wherever will I get lingonberry IKEA! Of course
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Sep 14, 2023 13:57
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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1701888890888417465
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Sep 14, 2023 14:05
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Sep 14, 2023 14:06
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Rugz posted:
By my calculations, this means UAF now have fire control over twelve of the four roads leading to Bahmut.
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Sep 14, 2023 14:11
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 Watching attempts to increase the Rubles strength has been fun to watch over the last month but it's still steadily creeping downwards to 1:100 again.
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Sep 14, 2023 14:12
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Paranoea posted:By my calculations, this means UAF now have fire control over twelve of the four roads leading to Bahmut. 300% more than possible!
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Sep 14, 2023 14:13
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Tai posted:
sir, it's a trap! They have two dollars!
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Sep 14, 2023 14:16
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Dwesa posted:it seems it was near this site The gently caress kind of clown show are these guys running that some Russian gammon can just wander up right next to a loving S400 launcher for some selfies?
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Sep 14, 2023 14:20
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:The gently caress kind of clown show are these guys running that some Russian gammon can just wander up right next to a loving S400 launcher for some selfies? He's the guy crewing it.
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Sep 14, 2023 14:21
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:The gently caress kind of clown show are these guys running that some Russian gammon can just wander up right next to a loving S400 launcher for some selfies? Better question: The gently caress kind of clown show are these guys running where after arresting and forcing a public apology out of some Russian gammon for taking a selfie with a S400 you do not relocate said S400 and it then gets blown up months later.
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Sep 14, 2023 14:23
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:The gently caress kind of clown show are these guys running that some Russian gammon can just wander up right next to a loving S400 launcher for some selfies? It's certainly a lol but also I doubt it made any difference, you can clearly see it from space anyway.
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Sep 14, 2023 14:27
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Rugz posted:Better question: The gently caress kind of clown show are these guys running where after arresting and forcing a public apology out of some Russian gammon for taking a selfie with a S400 you do not relocate said S400 and it then gets blown up months later. According to some replies I read they did move it - to another set of revetments 1km away, then they moved it back again, because it just alternated between the two sites so the crews wouldn't have to dig more holes and banks
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Sep 14, 2023 14:30
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large hands posted:The storm shadow has a precursor charge that cuts a big hole in the targets exterior, then a 500lb-ish bomb flies through the hole and explodes inside. I think that's probably enough to write most ships off. Subs are extremely sensitive to even minor damage and usually can't be repaired so they didn't even have to do that. Just put a dent in the pressure hull and it's done for.
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Sep 14, 2023 14:42
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God bless speedo geezer and all his brethren
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mobby_6kl posted:It's certainly a lol but also I doubt it made any difference, you can clearly see it from space anyway. Yeah the holiday snaps are funny but don’t really reveal any top secret info. There are publicly available satellite images that update every 2 days that easily show the position of AA installations, let alone the secret mil satellites that will give much better pictures. There’s almost certainly a ton of intelligence guys poring over and tracking that stuff daily.
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