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Angepain posted:labour certainly has the polling figures at the moment to get a majority well over 59 seats, so it's not out of the question so long as keir doesn't find a way to gently caress it. which he might do He's burning the midnight oil with his focus groups trying to figure out a way to gently caress it enough that he doesn't end up as PM. He's here to kick leftists out and destroy the Labour party, and he's all out of leftists. NotJustANumber99 posted:a whole new front? what does that mean? It's really been women oppressing men this entire time!
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Guavanaut posted:Field engineering uniform is jeans and workshirt plus a clip on namebadge and whatever PPE. My daughter's school have ditched the scannable ID badges in favour of fingerprint scanners. I'm not 100% happy about it but at least she can't accidentally leave her finger at home.
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Mega Comrade posted:Nah I like the idea of uniforms. Takes away one aspect of peer pressure as a kid, they have enough of them, they don't need more. Agreeing with this. I am so grateful my schools had a uniform policy as it helped mask my poverty and saved me from a lot of additional harassment and abuse. I would love to see any statistics from countries or UK schools that don't have mandatory uniforms compared to those with about bullying figures. I know there's a lot of things that could skew that data but it'd be interesting none the less. Really uniforms just need to be cheaper and more broadly available. I don't know when they started to get so ridiculous about it having to be from specific uniform shops or the plain black skirt has to have a specific shape of pleat that no one would actually notice but imo it's bullshit. A simple colour scheme for some items is all that's really needed.
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Solefald posted:Agreeing with this. I am so grateful my schools had a uniform policy as it helped mask my poverty and saved me from a lot of additional harassment and abuse. Bullying in UK Schools Parliament Briefing posted:Of the 17 EU-member states surveyed under TALIS and with sufficient data, England saw the second highest proportion of school principals reporting such activity. The overall OECD average was 14%, compared to England's 29.0%. e: Also these are some really bad figures: Bullying in UK Schools Parliament Briefing posted:• 36% of respondents reported having been bullied at school in the past couple of months. Mostly, the bullying had only occurred once or twice, but 10% of respondents said they’d been bullied once a week, or more. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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Wolfsbane posted:My daughter's school have ditched the scannable ID badges in favour of fingerprint scanners. I'm not 100% happy about it but at least she can't accidentally leave her finger at home. I can't believe I went from thinking "haha, scannable ID badges in schools, how silly and over the top, what a funny joke" to this in 3 posts
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Aramoro posted:He's having a normal one here.  that's shocking and appalling
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fuctifino posted:And on that subject: don't recall seeing before now a person with resting Vigo the Carpathian face
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Also I don't where the poverty angle of school uniform bullying even comes from, conceptually. It feels to me like a fundamental misunderstanding of how clothes work for human beings. Like I can't even really imagine kids getting bullied for being poor outside of like, Eton college or something? Maybe my school was this incredible outlier or something but the pupils were split into subcultures, not some weird financial caste system. There were neds, moshers, skaters and so on. You hardly needed designer clothes to get into a subculture, all my clothes came from Primark and TK Maxx and nobody even batted an eye because my style of dress fit in with my peers. Now that's not to say bullying never happened, but it was between groups and it certainly did not matter one bloody whit if your clothing cost £10 or £500.
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Is it project to discredit the idea of London Mayor by putting up ridiculous candidates constantly?
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Reveilled posted:Now that's not to say bullying never happened, but it was between groups and it certainly did not matter one bloody whit if your clothing cost £10 or £500. Some kids are living in households where they can’t even afford the £10 option, and other kids will pick up on that and absolutely make use of it. My school was a dump with absolutely zero ‘rich’ kids and they still found a way. I saw it at my own school with the kids on free school dinners, everyone knew why that was a thing and they got absolutely rinsed for it and that was before the poo poo they got for coming to school in obvious hand-me-down clothing.
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Pretty sure my school uniforms back in the 70-80s NI were subsidised in some form or other. Buggered if i cared to remember the details at the time. 
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Reveilled posted:Like I can't even really imagine kids getting bullied for being poor outside of like, Eton college or something? What I went to a school in a pretty poor area and kids definitely got picked on for being a bit more poor than the others.
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When I was at school and we had 'non-uniform day', one of the boys in our class used to come in in school uniform anyway with an old jumper over the top. We did take the piss a bit, it wasn't until we were adults that we realized that his folks were really really poor and he only had his uniform. Another aspect - having seen my little great niece in action is: if there's a uniform, it stops a great deal of morning tantrums over what she will wear to school. She is a determined little madam, even when she was 5, and is thoroughly indulged by her mother & grandmother (my sister). A local comprehensive school now has sixth form uniform which is essentially a 'business suit' ready for the interview rounds and job hunting. Do employers still expect that at interviews?
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Reveilled posted:Also I don't where the poverty angle of school uniform bullying even comes from, conceptually. It feels to me like a fundamental misunderstanding of how clothes work for human beings. What's that about misunderstanding how human beings work? Kids absolutely get bullied for not having things. When I was growing up it was not having Sky TV that was a big one. That and your mum working in Asda or getting your trainers from the Market, the Ascot trainers. My mum didn't work in Asda and I had some killer puma trainers but we didn't have Sky so that was an issue. But it was more my parents simply didn't want Sky but that line of reasoning doesn't really help against the accusations of being a poor.
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I liked the school uniform because I didn't have to think about what I was wearing each day and there's a sense of release when you get home and change into something more casual. That said my schools didn't enforce what generic poo poo you wore as long as you had the school tie (subsidised) and jumper (subsidised). If you couldn't afford them with the subsidy the school would give you them for free, including replacements unless you clearly deliberately destroyed it.
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My school changed to a blazer the year I moved up but it was one of those that’s proper water repellant - like you could pour water on it and it’d just run off. We were all suitably impressed no one minded. I’m surprised parents at these places that demand uniform be bought from this one supplier don’t just walk up to the head in public and ask them how much the company’s paying them/which of their friends/relatives owns it. It’s so obvious.
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I was the last year to not wear blazers at my school and after lording it over the yoofs they realised and we were to learn that the blazers were brilliant at hiding contraband due to their stiffer nature. Then the boot of laughter was on the other metaphorical foot. Still didn't like the blazers though.
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We all thought we looked pretty swish in our blazers to be honest, but our school was really chill and ran by basically sensible and normal people rather than authoritarian maniacs so they didn’t come with the associations I gather they do at more rigid places.
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Just do away with uniforms and fashion in general and put everyone in different coloured boiler suits relevant to their social status like in dystopian scifi.
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In my school wearing the blazer meant that you were either gay or posh. You also took abuse if your trainers were a cheap brand like Ascot or Dunlop, or even worse from Asda.
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Reveilled posted:Also I don't where the poverty angle of school uniform bullying even comes from, conceptually. It feels to me like a fundamental misunderstanding of how clothes work for human beings. Oh yeah it was never about designer stuff in school as a kid. If you turned up to school in a designer brand then you'd get bullied by everyone saying it's a fake knock off bought at the local market. Poverty can be shown is different ways such as only owning 1 outfit and wearing the same outfit that wasn't a uniform 5 days in a row wouldn't go unnoticed, or said clothes being unclean or damaged. Jaeluni Asjil posted:When I was at school and we had 'non-uniform day', one of the boys in our class used to come in in school uniform anyway with an old jumper over the top. We did take the piss a bit, it wasn't until we were adults that we realized that his folks were really really poor and he only had his uniform. This. I would always bunk off for non-uniform day for this reason.
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"Remember, once you are outside these gates you are representing the school!"
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Wolfsbane posted:My daughter's school have ditched the scannable ID badges in favour of fingerprint scanners. Mandelson: Hardening at the thought of- USER FELL DOWN HIS STAIRS INTO A SUITCASE AND THREW HIMSELF INTO THE THAMES FOR THIS POST
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Aramoro posted:What's that about misunderstanding how human beings work? Kids absolutely get bullied for not having things. My parents had a phase of "we don't need tv, we make our own entertainment" - wow how to alienate your kids from everyone else at school. When I was working at one place the Chief Engineer said he wasn't allowing his teenage kids to watch tv (this was before internets) and as his daughter was a bit big / awkward / dreadfully shy (like me when I was a teen) I felt that was really cruel - something else to alienate her from her peers.
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Reveilled posted:There were neds, moshers, skaters and so on. You hardly needed designer clothes to get into a subculture, all my clothes came from Primark and TK Maxx and nobody even batted an eye because my style of dress fit in with my peers. I don't even know what the subcultures are now, I keep hearing about dark academia and light academia, which is apparently where you wear academic dress like you were at a gothic Victorian public school or an airy New England Ivy League, but that sounds like I'm being trolled.
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Huh, well, today I learned my school really was some incredible outlier, I guess.
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keep punching joe posted:Just do away with uniforms and fashion in general and put everyone in different coloured boiler suits relevant to their social status like in dystopian scifi. All kids under 10 should just wear a plain pillowcase with head & arm holes cut out in it. Over 10 you might need a duvet cover with the holes cut out in it. All these fuss about clothes, I dunno. What used to make me laugh was Camden Lock on a Sunday - all the 'alternatives' showing their non-conformism by wearing the same black clothes uniform.
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Mega Comrade posted:If you're a man and work in an office you get to be adventurous with your tie. But not much else. I've worked in an office for 25 years and except for one lovely management consultancy it was t-shirt and jeans. It's not 1960 any more grampa ;p
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Reveilled posted:Also I don't where the poverty angle of school uniform bullying even comes from, conceptually. It feels to me like a fundamental misunderstanding of how clothes work for human beings. Children can be terrible, terrible people, OP.
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Solefald posted:Really uniforms just need to be cheaper and more broadly available. I don't know when they started to get so ridiculous about it having to be from specific uniform shops or the plain black skirt has to have a specific shape of pleat that no one would actually notice but imo it's bullshit. A simple colour scheme for some items is all that's really needed. There should be state issued standard uniforms with a standard pattern - like the standards for electrical plugs. Shirts, shorts, trousers, pinafore, jacket and skirt in whatever combination you want. For full equality though everyone should wear a state issued boiler suit with your name and number stencilled on the front and back.
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Dead Goon posted:Children can be terrible, terrible people, OP.
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Private Speech posted:Also how many jobs actually have a uniform, outside of retail and some field engineering jobs maybe. Most places I've worked require you to dress in at least "work casual", & my preferred attire is generally casual casual so that still counts.
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History Comes Inside! posted:If your school uniform involves a blazer that’s basically child abuse I went to a suit oval office school for a couple years until I realised I could escape. I got the blazer from my older brother who got expelled from the same oval office school for fighting teachers and smoking weed, and the blazer had a bunch of little holes from hot rocks. Think he also got it from another dropout so not actually sure how old that blazer was. Relatedly, I know that McD's makes you pay for their awful polyester uniforms, and the pants don't even have pockets incase you try to abscond with a pocket Filet-o-Fish or something
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I'm curious then, what was school like for the rest of you? Culturally I mean, among the kids, was there no sense of, like, group solidarity? I had a friend group of about 5 people when I was a teenager, but that friend group was part of a "mosher" subculture (which wasn't just moshers, it was the nerdy kids, the skaters, the music kids, the goths and so on), which would have been about 30 kids in my year, before you count the kids in years above or below. Nobody in that group would have mocked each other for their wealth (some of our friends were upper middle class, some were living in council flats, some were refugees). If you got isolated from the rest of your group you could get bullied (if you had to get home alone, for example), but it'd always be from people in other groups, and the bullying would be a in-group/out-group thing, not a rich/poor thing.
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Reveilled posted:I'm curious then, what was school like for the rest of you? Culturally I mean, among the kids, was there no sense of, like, group solidarity? I had a friend group of about 5 people when I was a teenager, but that friend group was part of a "mosher" subculture (which wasn't just moshers, it was the nerdy kids, the skaters, the music kids, the goths and so on), which would have been about 30 kids in my year, before you count the kids in years above or below. Nobody in that group would have mocked each other for their wealth (some of our friends were upper middle class, some were living in council flats, some were refugees). If you got isolated from the rest of your group you could get bullied (if you had to get home alone, for example), but it'd always be from people in other groups, and the bullying would be a in-group/out-group thing, not a rich/poor thing. Sometimes the group is "rich kids" who did a great job of bullying people in my school without a uniform so
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The picture of the Asian school uniform is pretty cool. Kids tend to be active so a uniform tracksuit that you can run around in and layer under in winter is an excellent idea, much better than tie and blazer nonsense
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Miftan posted:Sometimes the group is "rich kids" who did a great job of bullying people in my school without a uniform so Were there no other groups in the school? Were the rich kids the largest group? Apologies if the questions sound weird! I feel a bit like an alien today realising my own school was apparently very not normal.
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