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I do feel kinda sad for him having the realisation that actuall, like isn't about work it's about life, and sacrificing "doing stuff" for professional/academic success is ultimately pointless.
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lmfao @ his prospective date having been to the google offices on a date before.
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Sep 15, 2023 15:45
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Work doesnt have to suck imo. Engage with your coworkers, engage with the challenging parts of your job and make the best of it. And then after work go do some fun poo poo instead of sitting around moping like a dumbass that youre not "special" and inviting dates to your loving corporate hq.
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Sep 15, 2023 15:51
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If someone was asking me to a date at the goddamn Google, I would be suspecting either a cult or MLM scam.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:04
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I'm in tech and like my colleagues but LOL at taking a date to the office, even if it weren't in another state.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:39
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Huh, just occurred to me that taking a date to my office might be a good idea. Since it’s a tiny office with state-of-the-art theatrical projectors, immersive sound, and a couch.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:48
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Remulak posted:Huh, just occurred to me that taking a date to my office might be a good idea. What kind of porn do you shoot in your line of work?
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Sep 15, 2023 16:49
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i think the biggest thing i don't get is that the kid just seems to have never socialized or something, even though he said he had fun in new york? like...nyc is largely about socializing. you are constantly surrounded by people. going out and getting drinks is the norm throughout the week. college or out of it, it's what you do. what the hell was this kid doing in nyc the whole time that was fun? where did he go? who did he meet? nyu is literally in the middle of about 1000 bars and restaurants and museums. you have to actively try and avoid meeting people. something doesn't add up. he just seems socially stunted in a harmful way. dude needs a big brother or sister to beat him up and show him around and talk some sense into him. just seems to have never engaged with people in any real way.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:49
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Gonna guess that he was constantly dragged to social events by existing friends/frat brothers.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:52
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yea, but what friends? and i'm like 99% sure nyu banned frats 20 years ago.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:53
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The whole bit about "wait, I am not as special as is my right as a software developer" is genuinely funny. No, you moved to a major city that is the headquarters of two (at least) world-spanning tech companies, you are not a shiny unicorn. And, frankly, in Peoria you wouldn't be, either. People who aren't in software don't get the difference between writing JavaScript front-ends and writing extremely optimizing compilers.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:55
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The whole bit about "wait, I am not as special as is my right as a software developer" is genuinely funny. No, you moved to a major city that is the headquarters of two (at least) world-spanning tech companies, you are not a shiny unicorn. And, frankly, in Peoria you wouldn't be, either. People who aren't in software don't get the difference between writing JavaScript front-ends and writing extremely optimizing compilers. Yeah, from big fish in little pond to little fish in big pond. Bit like kids from a country town that score in the top 5% in the state, top of the class marks the entire time, barely studying that goes to a top flight uni and finds out that "top 5%" is "middle of the road, better adapt to studying hard or you will fail out" territory.
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Sep 15, 2023 17:05
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abelwingnut posted:i think the biggest thing i don't get is that the kid just seems to have never socialized or something, even though he said he had fun in new york? like...nyc is largely about socializing. you are constantly surrounded by people. going out and getting drinks is the norm throughout the week. college or out of it, it's what you do. COVID hit right after he moved to Seattle, so there weren't many social gathering spaces open and he couldn't really go out and meet people in person there. He could only really meet people online. Moreover, most of the people he did manage to meet were old enough that they didn't have much in common with him. Even if he tried to talk about something basic like pop culture, his 30-something colleagues were baffled by his zoomer culture. And by the time the vaccines were out and the COVID lockdowns were lifted, he'd already quit Amazon and left Seattle. One important thing that article glosses over is that he only lived in Seattle for a single year, and that year was 2020. I can entirely believe that it was hard to meet people in an entirely new city in the Year of COVID, especially in a liberal city that actually closed businesses down during COVID.
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Sep 15, 2023 17:33
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abelwingnut posted:how the hell do you have 3-4hr of zoom calls per day as a software engineer? i'm a sql guy so i'm not doing what he's doing but it's similar enough. i cannot imagine having to talk to colleagues for that long about coding/planning whatever. at some point you have to actually sit down and get in the zone and work. i currently have 2hr of zoom calls with my colleagues per week and that's more than fine for a team-wide update. hell, we usually close out about 30min early. I do 4hrs of zoom calls one day a week in a tech field  But thats because I have every meeting for the week - all hands, my department in the company, my superior, and my direct reports/team all sandwiched into the one day. I've no idea how any job would require a similar amount every day, I'd suspect thats its also just one of his days per week that is like that, but the quote got mangled.The whole thing very much sounds like he went through college buying the lie that if he worked hard and got the right job then his life would be perfect. He thought he'd be a star working for Google, impressing girls, living the high life etc. Instead hes just another middle class cog in the machine and nobody is impressed and its shattered his self-worth and life plan.
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Sep 15, 2023 17:45
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Blut posted:I do 4hrs of zoom calls one day a week in a tech field I have a 1 hour long meeting every single god drat day with the project owner for this project I’m working on. 90% of the time it’s useless because he’s just going over updates from other teams working this project that have absolutely nothing to do with me or my part of the project, but he mandates that we all sit through it because “it’s important to know what everyone’s doing” or some bullshit. So every morning I have to let him and everyone else know what I’ve done in the past day at work and what I’m gonna be doing today. Sometimes he drills me for more info sometimes he just says ok yeah keep doing that. I’m usually one of the first he calls on so I spend the rest of the 50 minutes sitting there on mute wishing I was anywhere but here. And I can’t get any work done because it’s so god drat distracting. But hey I still leave the office after 8 hours and not a minute longer so if they wanna pay me to sit there for 1 hour to play sudoku and shitpost on my phone then whatever.
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Sep 15, 2023 17:54
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Blut posted:I do 4hrs of zoom calls one day a week in a tech field The thing is, his life could be considered perfect. He works for like 5 hours a day most of which is apparently bullshit work, he makes a lot of money, and yet doesnt have enough responsibility to experience real stress. His problem is that he has done nothing with this. He could use all his free time and money to better himself or have fun. He makes enough that he could literally afford a personal chef to do meal prep for his entire week, and a personal trainer to just walk him through a workout that he doesnt have to think about. He likely has enough PTO that he could go on vacations to new places and do cool poo poo. He could be living the high life and impressing girls, but instead he's a boring rear end in a top hat who invites dates to his corporate HQ!!!
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Sep 15, 2023 18:13
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Yeah, from big fish in little pond to little fish in big pond. Bit like kids from a country town that score in the top 5% in the state, top of the class marks the entire time, barely studying that goes to a top flight uni and finds out that "top 5%" is "middle of the road, better adapt to studying hard or you will fail out" territory.
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Sep 15, 2023 18:13
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Seattle is a harder place than normal to meet people. Like I wasn't able to make any friends until I really starting going to Meetup groups and even then it took a lot of work and I didn't have to deal with a pandemic basically shutting down all social activity outside of work for a good year or so. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I get where he's coming from, and I'm sympathetic to his feelings of loneliness and isolation...but I also feel that he needed to make more of an effort himself. I get that he was tired all the time from his job but from my experience you sort of need to power through that because if you actually want to build those connections you're going to need to seek those out and often that will be after work when you are tired as poo poo. I'm far less sympathetic to his dating woes however. It's true, everyone here works in tech to the point that despite the fact I don't work in that field I know a shocking amount of the different teams and corporate structure at say, Microsoft and Amazon so I can totally see why a date would find that poo poo boring. It honestly sounds like he desperately needs a hobby or two. He also shouldn't take dates to his workplace in general, that just comes off as weird. I dunno, this whole thing is just preaching to the choir but I guess I see a surprising amount of my experience in him, except without the need to write an op-ed. It can be tough and hard to continuously put yourself out there even though that's what you need to do.
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Sep 15, 2023 18:25
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Millions of young people in recent years are graduating into work-from-home tech jobs in socially isolating conditions, far from cities where their social network was. The mental health and emotional implications of that phenomenon are real. The kid seems pretty self-aware that he had a bunch of bullshit assumptions about his cushy new tech job. It’s good to destigmatize discussions about mental health 
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Sep 15, 2023 18:49
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Mega Comrade posted:These tools are great for getting the gist of what something is about, very useful. That doesn't make much sense. Accuracy mattered to me in translating the book and the AI tool was great. Obviously there are countless use cases where it's useful. Maybe for you accuracy means "ability to perfectly translate anything in one go, without supervision" but that's not a realistic demand. Back in the day I used to do consecutive translating, from Spanish too, and I could have translated el jefe as a boss if the context was unclear.
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Sep 15, 2023 18:58
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OneMoreTime posted:Seattle is a harder place than normal to meet people. Like I wasn't able to make any friends until I really starting going to Meetup groups and even then it took a lot of work and I didn't have to deal with a pandemic basically shutting down all social activity outside of work for a good year or so. I woulda Seattle froze that guy to the last melting glacier on Mt Rainer. Also lol to it being COVID year. This was one of the most shutdown cities early on. Anyone interesting and had poo poo going on was completely destroyed trying to keep everything floating while the tech fucks all went and hid in their condos. Clickbait successful, I'm angry and want to bully a tech guy now.
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Sep 15, 2023 19:21
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I have an Internet friend going way back who moved to the Seattle area from Italy, going from (IIRC) x86 assembler signal processing stuff to Microsoft IIS software janitor. I was interviewing with Microsoft for post-graduation (2004) and finally got a chance to meet with him. He was there with his wife, both demoralized about how nobody ever even wants to talk about anything and they were just so isolated. I felt real bad about that, but I had already done two internships at other places and kind of knew how that would go. A little bit of team-building isn't going to do a drat thing about that. He eventually quit and wound up working at a firm in Amsterdam, and he's much happier now. I found a few years back that you could actually find some friends at work, though they didn't necessarily work in your team. Generally, if you participated in some activity club or whatever that you'd find people that: 1. Shared a common interest. 2. Were capable enough of interacting with other people to participate in a club. I had started a board game club pre-Covid and met a few people that way that I still associate with post-Covid. As for bringing dates to works, yeah that's a little odd, but I had a strange case of my interns bringing their classmates to our cafeteria some time back. When our new building opened up, they had "The Google Chef" consult on setting up the food because our previous place was heinous, boiled garbage. The new cafeteria was excellent and priced very low. Guests were allowed to buy a meal too, so these college kids living off of boxes of Gushers would invite their college friends to our cafeteria for a normal meal. Eventually, that all got cost-optimized into oblivion and now you have your choice of a watery curry or the pile-of-poo poo-of-the-day. Nobody's inviting other people for that.
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Sep 15, 2023 19:50
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count me among the oh boo who sour wine dog pile. also while i get that there's just something about in-person that helps humans feel good, but I find it interesting we're seeing how another side effect /fallout effect of the great social media and its gated gardens model. social media isnt "social".
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Sep 15, 2023 20:11
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It's not "nice guys finish last" it's actually "boring people aren't fun to be around" the guy only has his income as his personality
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Sep 15, 2023 22:30
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starkebn posted:It's not "nice guys finish last" it's actually "boring people aren't fun to be around" "He doesn't know where to get the good drugs."
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Doctor Malaver posted:That doesn't make much sense. Accuracy mattered to me in translating the book and the AI tool was great. Obviously there are countless use cases where it's useful. I think that accuracy in this context is more like not needing a subject matter expert to sanity-check the AI output in order to avoid severe blunders. To me there are two major concerns with the current highly-publicized versions of AI. They're replacing highly-skilled workers, generally ones who had no reason to be worried about their field in the first place. They're also assisting capitalists in draining as much quality out of everything they can get away with in the name of cost-savings. It's probably going to result in a lot of similar situations that off-shoring did, where execs cut costs with glee and then watched their replacement solution kill the business entirely.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Unfortunately, these are probably the correct answers. No jury would convict, etc etc
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I was basically the Seattle guy, but then I had a psychotic episode during covid and started to go outside and do stuff. Someone needs to tell the smart kids that going to school and getting a good job isn't sufficient to have a good life, not even ground level. It reminds me of Infinite Jest and how all the smart kids go insane competing against each other and becoming ever more productive machines. Like you can hate the nerdy guy because he's got more than you but this story is going to become more and more common and our society is actively encouraging it. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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Sep 18, 2023 05:31
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I have got this vague impression of nerds and antisocial people in general having gone from being seen as harmless but "nice guys" to misogynistic school shooters in waiting. The very word nice guy basically means that.
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His Divine Shadow posted:The very word nicefnordguy basically means that. ftfy SpeakSlow fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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Sep 18, 2023 13:24
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His Divine Shadow posted:I have got this vague impression of nerds and antisocial people in general having gone from being seen as harmless but "nice guys" to misogynistic school shooters in waiting. The very word nice guy basically means that. Yeah I have a mental transformation for "nice guy" into "currently well-behaved." Like, they probably think they are nice because they never got in trouble for disrupting class or something, not because they actually had any empathy.
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Sep 18, 2023 15:59
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Nice is what you say about somebody when there’s nothing else to say
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Sep 18, 2023 16:09
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Generalizing about large groups of people based on a single common trait? It's always worked out well in the past!
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Sep 18, 2023 16:17
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Found a nice guy!!
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Sep 18, 2023 16:18
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NICE GUYS RISE UP!!
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Sep 18, 2023 16:22
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not all nice guys
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Sep 18, 2023 16:28
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Self check outs.
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Agents are GO! posted:Self check outs. Nice guys finish last at the self checkout lane
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From what I've seen of online dating, nice guy should be the bare minimum and it's depressing how often people fail to hit it
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uggy posted:Nice is what you say about somebody when there’s nothing else to say That's not true, if you're over the age of 45 you can also say they were white, black, Chinese, Mexican. Whether they actually are vs what you guess they are makes no difference.
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