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Mr. Belpit posted:But Tarkin can't issue orders to Vader, nor Vader to Tarkin, so their interactions are more like tense negotiations between equals. "Enough of this. Vader, release him!"
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Phanatic posted:"Enough of this. Vader, release him!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jdQqjcsfC8
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Sep 15, 2023 16:02
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That is how fascist societies work at the top - a bunch of assholes with vaguely-defined but somewhat overlapping spheres of authority so they all have to squabble for the favor of the Leader.
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Sep 15, 2023 16:08
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I mean, doesn't one of the dudes at the table insult Vader directly about his religion? Pretty sure Vader has fear from certain people, but certainly doesn't like or respect anyone.
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Sep 15, 2023 22:53
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Maybe that dude just likes to be choked.
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Sep 15, 2023 22:58
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Can't wait for the Disney Star wars side content to touch on the thriving imperial kink scene. Lot of leather and bdsm, I reckon
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Sep 15, 2023 23:57
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Definitely lots of daddy issues
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Cowslips Warren posted:I mean, doesn't one of the dudes at the table insult Vader directly about his religion? Pretty sure Vader has fear from certain people, but certainly doesn't like or respect anyone. Yes but he wasn't afraid of Vader because he didn't believe Vader could actually forcechoke people.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:10
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He specifically calls out Vader on the religious nonsense not getting his job done. Also the same universe where the prequels made the Jedi and all super well known organization across the galaxy not even a few years before.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:20
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Tunicate posted:Yes but he wasn't afraid of Vader because he didn't believe Vader could actually forcechoke people. He probably should of known even if he couldn't force choke him, Vader could of just, you know, ordered someone to shoot him or something. Seems like Vader pretty much had carte blanche in a fascists regime and had no problem killing whoever. Honestly the most surprising thing is some one like that made it that high up in that sort of government. Possibly just mistakenly thought he was indispensable or something. Historically always a mistake.
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Sep 16, 2023 03:21
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dr_rat posted:Honestly the most surprising thing is some one like that made it that high up in that sort of government. Possibly just mistakenly thought he was indispensable or something. Historically always a mistake. wookieepedia posted:Nevertheless, he later submitted a sharply worded incident report criticizing what he characterized as Vader's attempt at religious proselytization, further stressing his confidence and his pride in the battle station.
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Sep 16, 2023 05:06
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IIMM: I don't have force powers with which to choke motherfuckers who schedule meetings at 4:30 on a Friday, who spout buzzwords and drag the whole thing well out past its usefulness.
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Sep 16, 2023 06:33
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Ommin posted:Nevertheless, he later submitted a sharply worded incident report criticizing what he characterized as Vader's attempt at religious proselytization, further stressing his confidence and his pride in the battle station. This is from a debatably canon short story collection, but it's written by Daniel Lavery (of The Toast fame) and it's probably the funniest Star Wars has been. An Incident Report posted:It didn’t make him right, you know. It made him angry, it made him violent, but it didn’t make him right. You may or may not have already reviewed the footage—it’s my opinion that attempted murder at a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of the Galactic Empire merits a thorough, personal investigation by the members of High Command, but you gentlemen will of course act as you see fit. The point is, whatever conclusions you ultimately draw about the incident taking place between myself and Lord Vader during yesterday morning’s briefing, he was wrong, and trying to crush someone else’s windpipe doesn’t make you any less wrong, if you’re wrong to begin with. Which he was. I do not concede the argument.
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Sep 16, 2023 07:14
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We investigated ourselves and found evidence of no wrongdoing. Pray we do not investigate further.
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dr_rat posted:He probably should of known even if he couldn't force choke him, Vader could of just, you know, ordered someone to shoot him or something. Seems like Vader pretty much had carte blanche in a fascists regime and had no problem killing whoever. Right, most fascist regimes are renowned for their competency and efficiency, rewarding team players and not those dumbasses that go "There is no way [bad thing inherent in the fascist regime] is gonna happen to me!"
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Sep 16, 2023 07:31
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Grendels Dad posted:Right, most fascist regimes are renowned for their competency and efficiency, rewarding team players and not those dumbasses that go "There is no way [bad thing inherent in the fascist regime] is gonna happen to me!" Nah, they renowned for having a lot of people at the top who know how to keep their head down and being ineffective yes men. Authoritarian regimes are notorious for being inefficient as if you make yourself noticed for either being good enough at your job people notice you, so you might be seen as challenging the person at the top, or if you just straight up challenging the person at the top, you very shortly after get lead into a room and shot.
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Sep 16, 2023 07:38
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Arrath posted:IIMM: I don't have force powers with which to choke motherfuckers who schedule meetings at 4:30 on a Friday, who spout buzzwords and drag the whole thing well out past its usefulness. I think Vader's mistake was being open and dramatic about his ability to force choke people. If you low-key force choke people at meetings and don't draw attention to yourself, it'd be much more effective.
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Sep 16, 2023 10:27
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In the old EU being on Vader's ship was seen as a fast track to promotion, since there was a lot of officer turnover and if you survived a couple years you showed that you could handle any other post in the fleet.
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Sep 16, 2023 10:32
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dr_rat posted:He probably should of known even if he couldn't force choke him, Vader could of just, you know, ordered someone to shoot him or something. Seems like Vader pretty much had carte blanche in a fascists regime and had no problem killing whoever. I'm not sure how you can say this when in the same scene Tarkin orders Vader to not kill Motti and Vader does not turn round and say "I've got two hands, motherfucker". Vader has power and authority, but it's not absolute.
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Sep 16, 2023 10:42
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Jedit posted:I'm not sure how you can say this when in the same scene Tarkin orders Vader to not kill Motti and Vader does not turn round and say "I've got two hands, motherfucker". Vader has power and authority, but it's not absolute. Forgot about that. Been a while since I've rewatched the movie and I remembered that scene with Vadar killing him. But yeah, that pretty clearly shows he didn't have a blank check to do whatever. Lol that the guy wrote a complaint. Respect for whatever writer added that little detail.
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Sep 16, 2023 10:52
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IIRC at the time of filming that scene, Vader's role in the Empire was also much less defined and settled. The whole thing with him being the singular right hand and apprentice of the emperor came later, at that time he was basically "just" a scary guy occupying a unique role outside of (but not independent from) the regular imperial hierarchy.
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Sep 16, 2023 11:32
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Perestroika posted:IIRC at the time of filming that scene, Vader's role in the Empire was also much less defined and settled. The whole thing with him being the singular right hand and apprentice of the emperor came later, at that time he was basically "just" a scary guy occupying a unique role outside of (but not independent from) the regular imperial hierarchy. Pretty sure they thought it was going to be a one off movie as well, so defining how the empire worked in any sort of real way wouldn't of really been needed at all.
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Ommin posted:I was curious because I never bothered to look him up before, but his name was Conan Motti. He was from a wealthy family and was the Chief of the Imperial Navy and Commander of the Death Star's fleet. The meeting he was choked in was a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of the Imperial Military. I especially enjoyed this quote: And if you're curious about why he's named Conan Antonio Motti, it's because he was only named "Admiral Motti" until George Lucas was being interviewed by Conan O'Brien who talked about G-level canon and asked if he could name this nerd after him so George was like "alright sure, he's Conan Antonio Motti." edit Jedit posted:I'm not sure how you can say this when in the same scene Tarkin orders Vader to not kill Motti and Vader does not turn round and say "I've got two hands, motherfucker". Vader has power and authority, but it's not absolute. I always read that as not an order so much as two people who are roughly peers and can speak frankly to each other edit 2 goddamnit dr_rat posted:Pretty sure they thought it was going to be a one off movie as well, so defining how the empire worked in any sort of real way wouldn't of really been needed at all. I think there was, at least by the time production was going, a pretty solid offer of some kind of sequel, either a high budget one if the movie did really well or a really small budget one if it didn't. George planned out Splinter of the Mind's Eye to be the low-budget sequel since you could make that almost entirely on soundstages with cheap sets. Baron von Eevl has a new favorite as of 15:03 on Sep 16, 2023 |
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dr_rat posted:Pretty sure they thought it was going to be a one off movie as well, so defining how the empire worked in any sort of real way wouldn't of really been needed at all. Imagine if the decision had been made that when Solo shot Vader out of the Death Star trench he killed him instead of just making him spin out. I mean, clearly that was intended as a sequel hook, but if it had turned into Vader dying instead it would have significantly changed just about everything regarding star wars lore.
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When I first saw the film as a kid I interpreted that as Vader dying even though I knew there were more films where he was alive.
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FreudianSlippers posted:When I first saw the film as a kid I interpreted that as Vader dying even though I knew there were more films where he was alive. Lol same. 
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Baron von Eevl posted:And if you're curious about why he's named Conan Antonio Motti, it's because he was only named "Admiral Motti" until George Lucas was being interviewed by Conan O'Brien who talked about G-level canon and asked if he could name this nerd after him so George was like "alright sure, he's Conan Antonio Motti." Splinter was an explicit sop to the studios - if Star Wars bombed (which the studio was almost certain it would, they were just at the point where they were willing to eat that so Lucas would finally shut the gently caress up about it) they could pump out this really cheap second movie to hopefully break even. Breetai posted:Imagine if the decision had been made that when Solo shot Vader out of the Death Star trench he killed him instead of just making him spin out. I mean, clearly that was intended as a sequel hook, but if it had turned into Vader dying instead it would have significantly changed just about everything regarding star wars lore. I'm not sure it was a deliberate sequel hook so much as a "of course the bad guy got away!" thing from the old serials.
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FreudianSlippers posted:When I first saw the film as a kid I interpreted that as Vader dying even though I knew there were more films where he was alive. There's a shot of Vader stabilising his TIE in the movie itself.
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Gnoman posted:Splinter was an explicit sop to the studios - if Star Wars bombed (which the studio was almost certain it would, they were just at the point where they were willing to eat that so Lucas would finally shut the gently caress up about it) they could pump out this really cheap second movie to hopefully break even. Yeah "I'll get you next time, gadget! Next time!"
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Perestroika posted:IIRC at the time of filming that scene, Vader's role in the Empire was also much less defined and settled. The whole thing with him being the singular right hand and apprentice of the emperor came later, at that time he was basically "just" a scary guy occupying a unique role outside of (but not independent from) the regular imperial hierarchy. The emperor’s role was far less settled as well. According to the novelization, after seizing power and promising to root out the corruption within the republic, Palpatine declares himself emperor and then shuts himself away from the public, ultimately becoming a puppet of his advisors and the sycophants who put him in power. Then the military higher ups just sort of do their own thing in his name because he’s such a non-presence. More of an ambitious politician out of his depth and manipulated by a corrupt cabinet than the evil sorcerer mastermind we eventually get.
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Jedit posted:There's a shot of Vader stabilising his TIE in the movie itself. Yeah but I was like 8 and thought him hurtling into outer space meant certain death.
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Arrath posted:IIMM: I don't have force powers with which to choke motherfuckers who schedule meetings at 4:30 on a Friday, who spout buzzwords and drag the whole thing well out past its usefulness. But when else will you work out your synergy to product centric solutions?
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I have to admit I really enjoyed the Kylo Ren Undercover Boss poo poo from SNL.
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Cowslips Warren posted:I have to admit I really enjoyed the Kylo Ren Undercover Boss poo poo from SNL. I'm so sorry 
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Biplane posted:I'm so sorry Sometimes SNL had its good sketches. It may only be one in a few hundred, but they do happen.
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Randalor posted:Sometimes SNL had its good sketches. It may only be one in a few hundred, but they do happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmG-ErzZsUQ
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Randalor posted:Sometimes SNL had its good sketches. It may only be one in a few hundred, but they do happen. Are these "good SNL sketches" in the room with us right now?
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I think SNL benefits a lot from syndication and YouTube where only the best sketches really have legs. It's hit to miss ratio has always been spotty and every season the audience says the show is in the toilet but, over time, folks only remember the really good bits.
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SNL was better than doing nothing, which is why I watched SNL in the 2000s. Before streaming, nothing else on, it's late, I can't download porn fast enough on my 56k modem
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Biplane posted:Are these "good SNL sketches" in the room with us right now? I still have a soft spot for Happy Fun Ball.
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